Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Cold Skin]

It would be nice to know why Toriyama briefly considered giving Goku his tail back for ssj3; I'd like for him to have given it back.

*Is also hoping for Goku's new form to have a tail.*

Very unlikely if you ask me (but then, who am I to actually know?).
It sometimes seems like according to Toriyama, the point of Super Saiyan forms is to get away from the monkey traits to something more evolved, much more beautiful and almost angelic (golden luminous hair, clear eyes, then beautifully-long golden hair, any trace of body/face hair disappearing to the point of making eyebrows themselves disappear on the higher state...).

Despite his hesitation in prototypes, it seems so far, the more advanced a Super Saiyan gets, the more Toriyama sees him as getting away from prehistorical/monkey-related traits. Giving up fur - including eyebrows - for inner light instead, coming out of the body and engulfing it in a bright aura (bright lightnings being added to Super Saiyan 2 for even more light emitted, and then the Super Saiyan 3 aura even seems to brighten Goku's undershirt in the manga, as the light becomes stronger and more engulfing with higher states). Giving up the animal side we still have in our physical appearance for something more transcendental (while paradoxically, the behavior can become much wilder and more savage like a beast in those forms! Like the physical traits get away from animal traits while the mind tends to reconnect with brutal, animal instinct).

We'll see how it turns out with this one, and how Toriyama's artistic vision of "the mightiest warrior form" has evolved.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

So I'm watching that NHK thing...Oh no, they have the Kamehameha contest from Armageddon...oh no.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Mmm Silhouette of the SSJGod? I don´t think so! I have the real picture of that silhouette in one of my DB big posters: Or maybe I´m wrong

You are. lol It doesn't match up right, but I think it's the closest image I've found so far...

[FindKenshi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the complaints about the watermarking isn't about the watermarking itself.. it's the fact that they're basically stealing this site's work, and claiming it as their own. They wait for Kanzenshuu to post a scan and then they snatch that scan up from this very site, and slap their own water-mark on it. They do the same with translations.

I don't blame a few of the staff members of this site of being bitter about that.. that'd tick anyone off. So? Fight fire with fire. Kanzehsuu: you should water mark all of your future images. Fight back, and destroy Saiyan Island. Water mark your own images and then they have nothing.

[NeoKING]

Does anyone else find it funny that all these years we've viewed Dragon Ball characters as strong as gods, but when an actual god comes onto the scene as a bad guy, he's just super duper strong? It's like in Saint Seiya, where you think the Gold Saints who can deal billions of blows per second at the speed of light, are basically the strongest beings ever, but when the actual Greek gods join the fray they almost pale in comparison.

[JulieYBM]

Does anyone else find it funny that all these years we've viewed Dragon Ball characters as strong as gods, but when an actual god comes onto the scene as a bad guy, he's just super duper strong? It's like in Saint Seiya, where you think the Gold Saints who can deal billions of blows per second at the speed of light, are basically the strongest beings ever, but when the actual Greek gods join the fray they almost pale in comparison.

It is pretty funny, although we still don't know the exact extent of Birusu's powers beyond "makes giant ball of ki, blows up planet." For all we know the comments about the "common sense of Z being interrupted" could refer to another ability of his.

[FindKenshi]

Well the story previously established Kaioshin as the highest Gods in the DB universe, and his power was wimpy. Now it is revealed that there are other, far more powerful Gods. Why didn't they just wake Bills up when Majin Buu was running amuck?

[Ryuman]

Well the story previously established Kaioshin as the highest Gods in the DB universe, and his power was wimpy. Now it is revealed that there are other, far more powerful Gods. Why didn't they just wake Bills up when Majin Buu was running amuck?

He probably would've helped Buu more than the Kaioshin.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Why didn't they just wake Bills up when Majin Buu was running amuck?

Yeah...because Birusu is a god that revels in destruction...

[JeffJarrett]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the complaints about the watermarking isn't about the watermarking itself.. it's the fact that they're basically stealing this site's work, and claiming it as their own. They wait for Kanzenshuu to post a scan and then they snatch that scan up from this very site, and slap their own water-mark on it. They do the same with translations.

I don't blame a few of the staff members of this site of being bitter about that.. that'd tick anyone off. So? Fight fire with fire. Kanzehsuu: you should water mark all of your future images. Fight back, and destroy Saiyan Island. Water mark your own images and then they have nothing.

I think the problem is watermarking images they haven't scanned or taken themselves. A watermark is like a credit. The one who has the right to watermark an image is the artist who made that image, not the website that publish it.

[NeoKING]

I feel like anything the god of Bunny Rabbit Cat can do, we've already seen somewhere in the series. Heck, practically every villain has a Spirit Bomb expy. The most godlike villain we've seen was probably Janemba. So far, nothing has really bought me out to the idea that Bils is the strongest guy yet because he's called the god of destruction.

[Herms]

Toriyama says in Chouzenshuu 1 that Bilus doesn't take orders from Kaioshin. It might not even be possible for Kaioshin to wake him up.

The thing about DB gods isn't that they're weak, so much as they show up late. The God of Earth had the power to take out the original Piccolo with no problem, to say nothing of the RR/Tao Pai Pai, and he even finger-flicks Goku out of the way when they first meet, but he doesn't step in to deal with Piccolo until Piccolo and Goku have grown much stronger than him. Kaio could have taken care of Raditz, but doesn't show up until Vegeta and Nappa are on the way. Kaioshin could have defeated Freeza with a single blow, but only turns up once Goku no longer considers even someone on par with Cell to be very scary. So the secret to Bilus' strength lies in him fighting Goku and co. early enough for them to not have already surpassed him.

(Before GT, in other words :p)

[NeoKING]

So the secret to Bilus' strength lies in him fighting Goku and co. early enough for them to not have already surpassed him.

(Before GT, in other words :p)

To be quite honest with you, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not about this, but I really do buy it. This feels like a really Toriyama-esque answer.

[JeffJarrett]

Bills won't have killed Buu, since Bills is lazy and Buu destroyed planet for him. Why would he kill someone who do the job for him?!

[NeoKING]

Bills won't have killed Buu, since Bills is lazy and Buu destroyed planet for him. Why would he kill someone who do the job for him?!

But at the same time, Bilus seems to be one that loves a challenge almost like Freeza, Cell, and Super Boo. He probably would've fought Boo and went on a destruction spree out of rage that Boo wasn't able to give him a challenge.

[FindKenshi]

Bills's job is to destroy planets. Buu was murdering Kaioshin. That's part of the heavenly family that Bills belongs to.
I don't feel like Bills is evil. Thinking of Bills as good or evil is something we imperfect mortals would do.. but Bills serves an important role in the cosmic balance...

Buu may have been destroying worlds, but Buu probably destroys too many worlds, and by killing Kaioshin he certainly stepped beyond his bounds.

[Chuquita]

It would be nice to know why Toriyama briefly considered giving Goku his tail back for ssj3; I'd like for him to have given it back.

*Is also hoping for Goku's new form to have a tail.*

Very unlikely if you ask me (but then, who am I to actually know?).
It sometimes seems like according to Toriyama, the point of Super Saiyan forms is to get away from the monkey traits to something more evolved, much more beautiful and almost angelic (golden luminous hair, clear eyes, then beautifully-long golden hair, any trace of body/face hair disappearing to the point of making eyebrows themselves disappear on the higher state...).

Despite his hesitation in prototypes, it seems so far, the more advanced a Super Saiyan gets, the more Toriyama sees him as getting away from prehistorical/monkey-related traits. Giving up fur - including eyebrows - for inner light instead, coming out of the body and engulfing it in a bright aura (bright lightnings being added to Super Saiyan 2 for even more light emitted, and then the Super Saiyan 3 aura even seems to brighten Goku's undershirt in the manga, as the light becomes stronger and more engulfing with higher states). Giving up the animal side we still have in our physical appearance for something more transcendental (while paradoxically, the behavior can become much wilder and more savage like a beast in those forms! Like the physical traits get away from animal traits while the mind tends to reconnect with brutal, animal instinct).

We'll see how it turns out with this one, and how Toriyama's artistic vision of "the mightiest warrior form" has evolved.

That's very much in the direction I went with my own drawing/version of what I thought Goku's ssjg form (though I did a few things like bringing the eyebrows back for aesthetic reasons) which is why the drawing taped to the Toei offices front door stumped me so badly at first. None of the fanart I'd seen on DA from anyone looked similar to that yellow kaio-ken (kami-ken?) form.
I really did expect ssjg to be eye-catchingly pretty. Not that the drawing on Toei's door isn't nice, but I was expecting more pomp than that.

The only two things that keep me from dismissing the drawing-on-the-door are the fact that it's something I haven't seen before, and that thing the elderly kaioshin said to Gohan about ssj appearances.

I can't bring myself to call it either way until more information appears.

[MCDaveG]

BTW. that Buu, Bills should be proud of, is dead.... This Buu was half of the arc in that Buu's stomach to get his ass kicked in the climax battle.

[Chuquita]

Someone misinterpreted Julian's post from a few pages back and pasted some of what he said that wasn't related to the text on the scan, onto the scan. I interpreted that "manna" line as Julian himself talking, but whoever posted that image thought it was a translation of the text.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

[Avenged]

Someone misinterpreted Julian's post from a few pages back and pasted some of what he said that wasn't related to the text on the scan, onto the scan. I interpreted that "manna" line as Julian himself talking, but whoever posted that image thought it was a translation of the text.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

That's the same user that thought the fan art was real so...