Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

[FindKenshi]

All I'm saying is this, there's no way in hell this debate is confined to America.. I'm sure Japanese fans could have been just as confused about certain things as we were.. fact is, whether you hate Toei or not, they are an official license holder, and Toriyama was involved (however loosely) in the anime. Sure he says he "left it up to them" multiple times, but do you really think he (or his staff) would allow such a colossal screw up as to get wrong that Pure Buu / Goku aren't supposed to be a lot stronger than Super Buu / Gohan? Surely, even if Toriyama didn't give a crap at that point, one of his assistants would have. It's not like it's one minor slip up, either. They go out of their way to state it several times. It's like they're basically clarifying the manga's obscurity.

I somewhat agree with MCDaveG about the story being more simple than some would believe. Goku fought and killed the last form of Buu, of course that was the strongest good guy and bad guy in the story at that time. I personally feel that the confusion stems from Toriyama changing his mind mid-way through the story. Someone drudge up the interview in which Toriyama says that he decided Gohan couldn't fill Goku's shoes, so decided to make Goku the hero after all. There you go. There's really nothing more that needs to be said about that.

I mean, I'm serious here. It's a simple thing, that could be settled by a couple damn words from any official source.. how is it that in 7 Daizenshuu books, however many Super Exciting Guides, tons of other supplemental material and guides, including new ones just coming out, NOTHING has EVER clarified the whole Super Buu vs Pure Buu thing!? I don't even care if I'm wrong at this point.. for the love of Kami can Akira Toriyama please just tell us? How do I write fan letters to him? Is any address listed for his studio or something?

And one last thing.. so tired of people belittling this and saying it's silly to care so much about it. It's a different type of fandom, ok? I care about it the way VegettoEX cares about having shelves full of merchandise and running this website. I care about it the way Herms cares about bringing us straight information from books never released in English. It's just another part about being a fan of Dragonball. I thought we were all here to celebrate that. I'm just passionate about the story, that's all.. others might have grown out of that, but I still prefer that type of discussion most of all. That's why I main In-Universe.

[Saiga]

Yes, I find it very easy to believe Toriyama let them screw up on this. Because he's said before he doesn't watch the anime, and what we know of Toriyama's involvement of the anime does not at all suggest it was ever as extensive as what you imply. You're being too presumptuous to assume that Toriyama or his assistants would step in and rectify such an error when we've seen no evidence of them ever doing such a thing. If they were going to do that, then they should have fixed the issues of villains having their bodies in Hell, which is a much more obvious error.

The final villain = strongest argument doesn't make sense. It isn't necessary for the final villain to be the strongest, so it shouldn't be assumed to be the case when evidence points to the contrary.

And the guidebooks do make it clear: DB Forever says that Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone, with a picture of Fat Boo being freed by Vegeta. Doesn't get much clearer than that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Because I've gotten tired of posting the quotes from the manga, Kaboom sums them up very well (that's Goku speaking):

Evil Boo: "He's way stronger than either of us! He'll kill us easily unless we use Fusion!"
Buff Boo: "Uh, it seems like he's getting even stronger..."
Pure Boo: "we can take this guy!" -> "You can defeat him with Super Saiyan 3, Kakarrot!"

So from that, we get that Evil Boo > S. Kaioshin Boo > SS3 Goku > Pure Boo.
And it was also stated that SS3 Gotenks was at least equal (and probably stronger) with Evil Boo, and Gohan was way stronger than Evil Boo.
So, U. Gohan > SS3 Gotenks >/= Evil Boo > S. Kaioshin Boo > SS3 Goku > Pure Boo
or
Ultimate Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > SS3 Goku.

Toriyama didn't retcon Goku's power, as you say, to make him the hero again. He actually lowered Boo's power, so that he can fight equally with Goku, the main hero.
As for the anime, I don't take that line into account because not only it contradict the many quotes that originate from the manga (unlike that one) & doesn't even support them, but also because the manga & the anime are two different stories. They can't be happening in the same world, because of various reasons (Toriyama not being the writer is NOT included).

If you want to further discuss this subject, reply me to that thread, because it's getting off-topic here.

[FindKenshi]

And the guidebooks do make it clear: DB Forever says that Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone, with a picture of Fat Boo being freed by Vegeta.

Show me.

[Saiga]

It's here.

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h44 ... 9/f004.jpg

Herms' comment

Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.

[Diotor]

A permanent end to Krillin/Tenshinhan threads would be nice. Or "Vegeta beat Cell".


Oh god and looking above posts that cry that Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu. Christ.

[Rod]

A permanent end to Krillin/Tenshinhan threads would be nice. Or "Vegeta beat Cell".


Oh god and looking above posts that cry that Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu. Christ.

Vegeta beat cell? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this

[Saiga]

Probably referring to his ki blast distracting Cell and allowing Gohan to win the beam struggle.

[Insertclevername]

He contributed to his death, though it was pretty much all Gohan.

I guess this comes down to whether you consider him and accessory to murder or not.

[FindKenshi]

It's here.

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h44 ... 9/f004.jpg

Herms' comment

Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.

That's hardly what I could call substantial. It leans your way, yeah, but I wouldn't call that the "definitive answer" people have been waiting nearly 20 years for.

[Saiga]

A picture of Fat Boo being removed accompanied by text saying it made Boo weaker. I don't know how you can spin that any other way.

[Rocketman]

By having your head firmly wedged in your opinion.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LYyZ9IAX3Q
Everything in this video...actually no, it's hilarious.
Had a change of heart...I think it'd be better to just ignore this arse-wipe.

[Ringworm128]

Why am I getting Tommy Wiseau vibes from him?

[Zephyr]

Why am I getting Tommy Wiseau vibes from him?

I was reminded more of Borat for some reason.

[Ringworm128]

So wait, he's been downloading TB's of Dragonball media AND sharing it? He really needs to get reported.

[MCDaveG]

So wait, he's been downloading TB's of Dragonball media AND sharing it? He really needs to get reported.

Wow, you're kidding! He has like even all video games downloaded, everything, WTF....
I think that ''decent'' (like for preview, or one shot reading something) downloading is on personal belief of the people, but this guy is like super jerk.

[SaiyaJedi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LYyZ9IAX3Q
Everything in this video...actually no, it's hilarious.
Had a change of heart...I think it'd be better to just ignore this arse-wipe.

I found it hard to follow, and could only sit through it once, but the points he seems to be making are:

1. We don't have to do anything to get news because we have a forum (and translation apparently doesn't count because it's not actual work)
2. We try to take credit for things we don't do, since (again) we don't do anything (and crediting both the tipsters and the ultimate sources of the news instead of "NEW SCANZ!!1" apparently doesn't count either)
3. We are hypocritical for being critical of other sites that repost our news updates and translations without crediting us (or try to pass them off as their own), because we "didn't do anything" ourselves
4. We are "not real fans" because we have lives, and because we "let Goku lose" in that ScrewAttack thingy
5. Also, we are wrong for discouraging piracy, because everything Dragon Ball should be freely available for free, so there.
6. Oh, and Team FourStar balls hahaha isn't he clever.

Does that about sum it up?

[Attitudefan]

Would he happen to be a member here?

[Gaffer Tape]

"People can do that simply by learning Japanese!"

Oh, yeah, of course, it's so simple! I'll get right on that! Be back in five!

I'm sorry, but I had to stop watching at that point because I was laughing so hard. That's the only negative comment I'll make.