Dragon Ball GT Ideas

[gialloman]

Super 17 Saga should have never existed. That saga was just awful in every shape and form.

Goku remaining a kid for the entire saga. Honestly, Goku should have returned to his adult form after Baby Saga and I absolutely did not enjoy seeing Goku in his kid form, especially when we already saw that in Dragon Ball.

The "Baby" arc (ugh) as a whole was a wasted potential. A genetically created Tuffle taking revenge on the Saiyan race for what they did to the Tuffle could have made for a great story, but they fell flat big time. Goku does mostly everything (as he does in the other arcs) and leaves the other characters to be mostly unimportant. The villian (who has a terrible name) is very uninspiring and much worse than anything seen in the previous series.

Finally, Dragonball GT is notorious for coming up with good concepts but messing up the execution. The Shadow Star Dragon Balls, the seven Dragons that came out of it, the consequences of overusing Dragon Balls; all of them good concepts. Its a shame that they turned out poorly.

Basically, remove Super 17 Saga, Goku should have never been a kid, have good concepts with adequate execution, especially Baby.

I agree with the shadow star dragon ball arch being a great idea, it started out fun but then it just felt rushed like they were trying to end the show asap. with maybe just 10 more episodes that well writen couldve fixed some of the issues i had with GT, mainly the lack of good character delvopment

[ABED]

By problem is that it had a lot of good ideas that were poorly executed, and the fights were just bad. Goku becomes SS4, beats up Baby, Baby turns Great Ape and they fight and after a few punches, Goku's tapped out? If Freeza can destroy planets in his first form, every punch thrown in GT should be more impactful.

[Zephyr]

If I were to make my own version of GT...

I felt overall the Dragon Balls could have been handled better. I think instead of adding a second, more powerful set that had been hidden for the entirety of the series, the black stars, Shenlong being red, the balls spreading through space, and the planet blowing up if they were not returned within the year, should have all been mutations of the regular set caused by the negative energy buildup.

I would have had Shenlong be called upon the first time, not by Pilaf, but by Goku using a Dragon Ball hunting quest for part of Uub's training. Goku being turned into a kid would be caused not by Pilaf's vocal slip up, but by an evil and corrupted Shenlong cursing the first person who spoke to him, in this case Goku.

The Baby arc I feel is perfectly fine, save for the earlier portions where everybody seems to forget that they can fly. I feel that the SSj4 transformation should have broken the curse put on Goku by Shenlong, permanently returning his adult body. I'd also not have Uub and Buu not fuse, and have Piccolo not die. After the Baby arc is finished, I'd pull an element from DBO, and have Dende seal the Dragon Balls up at the lookout to prevent them from being used again, so as to prevent more negative energy from building up.

Super 17 arc should never have happened.

The Evil Dragons arc would start similar to the way the real GT started, with Pilaf coming to the lookout. Only instead of hearing about a second fabled set, he had learned somehow that the balls had actually been sealed up. He finds them, summons the dragon, and attempts to make a wish for world domination, only this time, the negative energy overflows before the wish can be granted. Shenlong is now fully corrupt and evil, and has much more power. Sensing the ki of the monstrosity, many of the heroes go to see the source of it. Like in GT proper, Shenlong would split into seven separate evil Dragons to fight. Instead of having everybody be completely useless and let Goku and Pan take all of them on, with a few people coming to help a little bit for the last one, I would have made the Dragons all have varying levels of strength, allowing for everybody to have a part:

- Goku could take one
- Vegeta could take one
- Gohan could take one
- Piccolo, 17, and 18 could take one
- Krillin, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu could take one (finally combining all of their extremely useful, under-utilizied abilities together)
- Gotenks could take one
- Pan, Uub, and Buu could take one

After all seven are defeated, they would fuse into a more powerful Dragon, similar to the real series, and things would progress relatively the same from there. I'd also have the ending be much more clear.

And that's about it. Though this probably is more fitting for the fan-works section...

[Saiga]

Nice idea, Zephyr. Ties together the arcs quite well, and I like the idea of Oob hunting Dragon Balls for his training. I might steal that if you don't mind.

I'd also like to see the Shadow Dragons get their own opponents, I'd have Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Gotenks, Oob and Pan all get their own battle. Aside from Pan's opponent (Haze) they'd all be in a general range of power (assuming Gohan, Gotenks and Oob would be stronger than SS3s but weaker than SS4s). And then Syn doesn't really get an opponent, he just collects the Dragon Balls sneakily and becomes Omega.

I have more extensive ideas, but I don't want to post a wall of text here.

[Hellspawn28]

The Shadow Dragons was a cool idea. I do think some of the wishes that they were born from made no sense. Why Liu Xing Long was born from the first wish in the series? To me it should be that Xi Shin Long was born from the very first wish since he is the one star Dragon and having the first villain ( Emperor Pilaf) be tied in with the final villain of the franchise would be much more interesting. Not to mention why was San Xing Long born from the wish that erased the memories of Majin Buu from everyone on Earth if he is related to Si Xing Long? It would make more sense if he was born from the wish to revive those killed by Piccolo Daimao and his sons since that wish was related to Piccolo Daimao.

[gialloman]

If I were to make my own version of GT...

I felt overall the Dragon Balls could have been handled better. I think instead of adding a second, more powerful set that had been hidden for the entirety of the series, the black stars, Shenlong being red, the balls spreading through space, and the planet blowing up if they were not returned with the year, should have all been alterations to the regular set caused by the negative energy buildup.

I would have had Shenlong have been called upon the first time, not by Pilaf, but by Goku, wanting to show Uub the Dragon, and using a Dragon Ball hunting quest for part of his training. Goku being turned into a kid would be caused not by Pilaf's vocal slip up, but by an evil and corrupted Shenlong cursing the first person who spoke to him.

The Baby arc I feel is perfectly fine, save for the earlier portions where everybody seems to forget that they can fly. I feel that the SSj4 transformation should have broken the curse put on Goku by Shenlong, permanently returning his adult body. Pulling an element from DBO, Dende would seal the Dragon Balls up at the lookout to prevent the negative energy from overflowing completely.

Super 17 arc should never have happened.

The Evil Dragons arc would start similar to the way the real GT started, with Pilaf coming to the lookout. Only instead of hearing about a second fabled set, he had learned somehow that the balls had actually been sealed up. He finds them, summons the dragon, only this time he's even more corrupt and evil. Sensing the ki of the monstrosity, many of the heroes go to see the source of it. Like in GT proper, Shenlong would split into seven separate evil Dragons to fight. Instead of having everybody be completely useless and let Goku and Pan take all of them on, with a few people coming to help a little bit for the last one, I would have made the Dragons all have varying levels of strength, allowing for everybody to have a part:

- Goku could take one
- Vegeta could take one
- Gohan could take one
- PIccolo, 17, and 18 could take one
- Krillin, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan could take one
- Gotenks could take one
- Pan and Uub could take one

After all seven are defeated, they would fuse into a more powerful Dragon, similar to the real series, and things would progress relatively the same from there. I'd also have the ending be much more clear.

And that's about it. Though this probably is more fitting for the fan-works section...

I agree with the ending needing to be fleshed out better,Everytime i watch it i just go wtf. the ending for DBZ was way better

[NitroEX]

I think there was a missed opportunity in the space travelling aspect of GT. While it was cool to see other alien races it didn't really feel like it was the same universe that had been ruled by Freeza. We know that Earth and New Namek prospered after Freeza's death but I feel like there should have been more hostile aliens that you'de expect to come out of hiding after the big dog (Freeza) is gone and take his place. Maybe Freeza oppressing certain aliens was a blessing in disguise and after they've been left unshackled for so long they've become more of a problem than he was.

Also surely someone else would know of the Dragonballs from Namek and attempt to make a wish. Namek didn't seem any better prepared than it did before so it's not like the same disaster couldn't of happened again. I'm not saying I want another Namek saga but I wouldn't of minded the other characters having something interesting to do while Goku and friends were busy.

I suppose Dr. Myuu and Baby were a step in the right direction but I feel like it was underwhelming and uninspired.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If I were to make my own version of GT...

I felt overall the Dragon Balls could have been handled better. I think instead of adding a second, more powerful set that had been hidden for the entirety of the series, the black stars, Shenlong being red, the balls spreading through space, and the planet blowing up if they were not returned within the year, should have all been mutations of the regular set caused by the negative energy buildup.

I would have had Shenlong be called upon the first time, not by Pilaf, but by Goku using a Dragon Ball hunting quest for part of Uub's training. Goku being turned into a kid would be caused not by Pilaf's vocal slip up, but by an evil and corrupted Shenlong cursing the first person who spoke to him, in this case Goku.

The Baby arc I feel is perfectly fine, save for the earlier portions where everybody seems to forget that they can fly. I feel that the SSj4 transformation should have broken the curse put on Goku by Shenlong, permanently returning his adult body. I'd also not have Piccolo die. After the Baby arc is finished, I'd pull an element from DBO, and have Dende seal the Dragon Balls up at the lookout to prevent them from being used again, so as to prevent more negative energy from building up.

Super 17 arc should never have happened.

The Evil Dragons arc would start similar to the way the real GT started, with Pilaf coming to the lookout. Only instead of hearing about a second fabled set, he had learned somehow that the balls had actually been sealed up. He finds them, summons the dragon, and attempts to make a wish for world domination, only this time, the negative energy overflows before the wish can be granted. Shenlong is now fully corrupt and evil, and has much more power. Sensing the ki of the monstrosity, many of the heroes go to see the source of it. Like in GT proper, Shenlong would split into seven separate evil Dragons to fight. Instead of having everybody be completely useless and let Goku and Pan take all of them on, with a few people coming to help a little bit for the last one, I would have made the Dragons all have varying levels of strength, allowing for everybody to have a part:

- Goku could take one
- Vegeta could take one
- Gohan could take one
- PIccolo, 17, and 18 could take one
- Krillin, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu could take one (finally combining all of their extremely useful, under-utilizied abilities together)
- Gotenks could take one
- Pan and Uub could take one

After all seven are defeated, they would fuse into a more powerful Dragon, similar to the real series, and things would progress relatively the same from there. I'd also have the ending be much more clear.

And that's about it. Though this probably is more fitting for the fan-works section...

Very excellent . However one question, what arc would replace the Super 17 arc? I feel GT would be too short without something in it's place.

[Retan]

Pan, the fights, and Goku himself, really sucked in GT!

Pan is my least favorite character in the Dragonball universe, maybe it's the Mr. Satan in her, but then again maybe it's the part about Goku I don't like. She's so cocky and not in a cool Vegeta sort of way where he really believes he's the strongest, while she should know she's not even close. Even Mr. Satan is at least funny Either way ever since she beat Goten (Yuck!) I haven't liked her and she was shoved in are face in GT.... badly!


The Fights were poorly executed on every level. Nuff said.

Finally Goku must do everything, what a joke! Not all powerful Goku mind you but boy Goku who was supposed to be made weaker when he was wished to be made a boy in the first place. He also gets shoved in our faces!

Anyway GT ultimately gets shoved and not directed into the pile of crud it is!

[Insertclevername]

This isn't a GT complaint thread, your supposed to say what you think could have been better.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

• Make Goku a less important character than he is. Oob & Pan should be in the spotlight.
• Add Oob in the gang as well.
• Give Goten some fighting clothes.
• Give Trunks the sword that we see in the opening of GT & Final Bout, the one Tapion gave him.
• Make Goten & Trunks use Fusion.
• No more Super Saiyan Gohan. Only Ultimate Gohan. Also, no nerdy clothes when he is fighting.
• Better humor.
• Give more importance to characters other than Goku.
• Statements that make Goku too strong should go away.
• Goku should be at least a Super Saiyan against Freeza & Cell.
• Use more original ideas for the first arc.
• Make Pan a Super Saiyan.
• The villains that escaped Hell should have been erased from existence, not killed for a second time.
• Stop having base Saiyans trying to fight villains that are clearly stronger than that, it's stupid.
• Give lightning for Super Saiyan 2. Vegeta should be a Super Saiyan 2 against Super #17 & Super Yi Xing Long, but we will never know because of that.

Everything else, stay the same.

[Zephyr]

what arc would replace the Super 17 arc? I feel GT would be too short without something in it's place.

I would probably have a Makaioshin arc after the Evil Dragons arc. Goku goes with Shenlong to train, and he learns a powerful new Kaioken-esque technique that makes use of Dragon ki, but requires a full set of Dragon Balls to use. Makaioshin attack earth, and despite putting up a valiant fight, mortal and Kaioshin ki do not affect the most powerful of the Makaioshin, only Dragon ki can. Goku returns, and so do the Dragon Balls. Like the previous arc, everyone would get their fair share of the spotlight (and I'd give Pan SSj here), only Goku would have to be the one to finish the job. There would be an obligatory Dragon Ball quest on earth so as to grant Goku the powerup. Afterwards, Shenlong leaves again, taking the Dragon Balls with him.

The epilogue would involve more things from DBO:
- Goku and Vegeta leaving to finally settle their rivalry once and for all
- The remnants of Freeza's army attack earth, and are defeated by the remaining heroes
- Gohan publishes a book on ki control, and Krillin and Tenshinhan become martial arts masters

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I wouldn't have Uub and Buu fuse in the Baby arc.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Aren't the Makaioshin stated to be below the Kaioshin whom are a weaker than the Buu Saga Super Saiyans? I kinda like the idea of Cell absorbing everyone in Hell and becoming really strong, strong enough to give SSJ4 Goku trouble. As to how he gets out, Cell uses a new technique he has been working on. It's basically IT but it can warp him between dimensions.

[Zephyr]

I'm not sure. Where did it say that?

[Bussani]

It's basically IT but it can warp him between dimensions.

Can't Goku's teleportation already do that? But I guess it depends on what you mean by "dimension".

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's basically IT but it can warp him between dimensions.

Can't Goku's teleportation already do that? But I guess it depends on what you mean by "dimension".

Can it already do that? If it could I don't see why Cell didn't exit Hell when Gohan got weaker.

[Bussani]

Goku uses it to teleport from Earth to the afterlife quite a lot, and even from the afterlife to the Kaioshin Realm. I assumed it wouldn't be possible for a dead person to teleport to the living world without permission, and villains who have had their bodies taken away probably wouldn't be able to teleport, either (but I guess that only apples in the manga).

[Thanos]

One thing is not shaping each arc as a revisit of old plot lines:

- Bebi = Tuffles. Also, Majin Vegeta was recycled as Bebi Vegeta.
- Super #17 = Dr. Gero. Also, #17 was recycled as Super #17... and also was written like a poor fanfic.
- Super Yi Xing Long = Dragon Ball wishes.


Having Goku as a kid was definitely a poor decision... at least for the whole series. And having Trunks and Pan as the other main characters. Seriously, Trunks looked like a David Bowie double and Pan was the most annoying character in Dragon Ball ever. Pan was cute at the end of Z, but holy christ in GT she was a nightmare.

Also, I think there was a missed opportunity there to redeem Goten. Gohan had been a failure, but Goten had achieved Super Saiyan at such a young age--giving him heaps of potential. But no, he was like Gohan, but worse... he didn't dedicate his time to science and telling the world about ki, all he cared about was girls. Which is totally a disappointing direction to take him in considering how similar to Goku he was and his lack of hesitation to fight. Trunks wasn't too surprising considering his upbringing and he was already kind of a lost cause as a kid.

Super Saiyan 4, Golden Oozaru, etc... unneeded. I thought Super Saiyan 3 was too much, even. I think I would've been more likely to accept Super Saiyan 4 if it weren't referred to as a Super Saiyan stage, though.

The pre-Bebi Machine Mutant plotline was very un-Dragon Ball. They travel the universe and happen to stumble upon a guy that's stronger than Buu? Fuck outta here.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Also, Majin Vegeta was recycled as Bebi Vegeta.

I disagree. Babidi just made Vegeta evil, while Baby had made Vegeta's body his own. Vegeta-Baby wasn't an evil version of Vegeta, like Ginyu in Goku's body wasn't an evil version of Goku.

[Nex Carnifex]

I think the Shadow Dragons could have been executed way better. Perhaps instead of going across earth and fusing with various natural hazards, they could have spread across the solar system like the Black Star Dragonballs and fusing with cosmic hazards, like the sun and a black hole? Also, they could all have personality aspects of the 7 deadly sins...

Syn-Shenron: Fuses with the incredible amount of negative energy in Hell, combining every evil soul into one super being known as Syn Shenron, easily making him the strongest enemy ever for the Z-fighters, and the strongest Shadow Dragon. He is very prideful of his ridiculous power, and will not hesitate to brutally punish those who dare mock him, which spells bad news for Vegeta early on. His appearance is that of GT's Syn Shenron, but noticeably more malnourished and bony, like Pure Evil Buu, adding to his creepy, menacing look.
Omega Shenron: This is the buffed up, monstrous form Syn takes after absorbing all the corrupted dragon balls. In this form, he becomes nigh-omnipotent, having the ability to grant his own wishes. At one point he'll use them to bring himself back from the dead, but as we know, someone can only be brought back to life once with the Dragon Balls. His own Pride will lead to his eventual downfall however, as he neglects to use the Dragon Balls to an unfair advantage when the resurrected Vegito calls him out for it.
Nova: Fuses with the sun, granting him incredible fusion powers, cabable of creating attacks hotter than the core of the sun. His blood highly unstable and the source of his energy, if not contained it could cause a supernova scale explosion of energy. Although Nova is more reasonable and noble than his brothers, being born far from the negative energy of inhabited planets, his fiery wrath leads him to giving the Z-fighters a relentless fight before joining them against a common enemy, his close relative Eis, and later Syn. After destroying Eis, Nova consumes the 2 dragon balls inside him in order to stand a chance against Syn, but the negative energy corrupts him transforming his wrath into a reckless and unfocused emotion, allowing Syn to mortally wound him in their inevitable battle.
Eis: Fuses with an icy moon orbiting a prison planet full of notorious criminals, the presence of negative energy makes him especially malevolent like Syn. He has the ability to destroy heat energy, create icy death traps, and camouflage with snowy backdrops. His blood has special heat draining properties, and when frozen it is nearly unbreakable, allowing Eis to forge deadly weapons from his bleeding wounds. If drenched in Eis's blood, he will be able to freeze you to the core especially quickly. Eis's cold heart cares nothing for his brothers or anyone else, and he greedily wishes to have all their dragon balls for himself so he can have ultimate power. At first he is successful, murdering one of the weaker shadow dragons and consuming his ball, receiving a huge power increase, but he is still no match for the combined power of Nova and the Z-warriors.

The other Dragons would require more thought, I would image one would fuse with a black hole and represent gluttony, one would fuse with a gas planet, represent sloth, who's gaseous attacks sap energy and willpower, one of the balls could even be fused with a known singular character, and so on...

I think the end could be Goku and Vegeta make a wish to the Omega Shenron to be fused back into the Vegito form they had once taken, in order to pose a worthy fight and so they won't defuse in just 30 minutes, and from there they transcend into SS4 Vegito and fight on a comet made of Katchin which has the gravity of a black hole, grounding their fight to a comprehensible pace and scale. Maybe SS4 Vegito becomes a SS4 God...