Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[NeoKING]

If the Gohan thing was a mistake and not intentional, meaning, they went back and changed his aura and hair color, then that means he'll look like Ultimate Gohan but only be as strong as SSJ2 Gohan. And that blows.

Does it really matter? C'mon guys, first DB movie in 17 years and we're concerned about character strength of all things.

Well, the series is mainly about power levels to begin with so...

I always thought the series Dragon Ball was about a young boy and his friends on a quest to find seven magical jewels of legend which when gathered together summon a dragon god which is capable of granting a wish to whoever went through the trouble of gathering them, eventually moving on to that young boy's path to power through hard-work, dedication, and a bit of destiny, all leading to him saving the world from evil along the way. Then, when that boy became a man, he had learned of his origins, came to understand himself through the meeting of other, more powerful beings, and went on to save the universe countless times on his personal relentless quest to find stronger opponents.

[Jackal puFF]

Man I was a bit worried about how the animation looked but wow these new screen shots are erasing that doubt.

[Master Turbo]

I always thought the series Dragon Ball was about a young boy and his friends on a quest to find seven magical jewels of legend which when gathered together summon a dragon god which is capable of granting a wish to whoever went through the trouble of gathering them, eventually moving on to that young boy's path to power through hard-work, dedication, and a bit of destiny, all leading to him saving the world from evil along the way. Then, when that boy became a man, he had learned of his origins, came to understand himself through the meeting of other, more powerful beings, and went on to save the universe countless times on his personal relentless quest to find stronger opponents.

Let me rephrase that, I meant to say the majority of DBZ revolves around who's stronger than who, not that is the only thing about it. That part in specific appears to take front seat of everything else in DBZ so PLs discussion will always come forth here and there so its to be expected. I mean just looking at that one fan's conversation with Watanabe that's all he was talking about, power levels.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I think that is only saying that Saiyan hybrids are stronger (which we already know), it is not saying that as a hybrids Gohan is stronger than all pure Saiyans...

Never said that Saiyan hybrids are stronger, they just have a higher dormant power (hidden power). That doesn't necessarily mean they will surpass the other person who is full Saiyan.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

If the Gohan thing was a mistake and not intentional, meaning, they went back and changed his aura and hair color, then that means he'll look like Ultimate Gohan but only be as strong as SSJ2 Gohan. And that blows.

Baseless. Ultimate Gohan will have the power of Ultimate Gohan no matter what. Especially since they are going up against a god and he will need to be as strong as he can possibly be. No reason to nerf him.

[Herms]

I mean just looking at that one fan's conversation with Watanabe that's all he was talking about, power levels.

Just because many fans miss the point of the series doesn't mean the rest of us are obliged to humor them.

Basically, DB revolves around action (and gags), but having lots of action is quite different from having a consistant, all-encompassing system for how characters stack up against each other in terms of strength. In fact, these two things are often at odds, because being too strict about power-scaling can get in the way of story-telling. Toriyama says in Ultimate Battle Collection that his ideas about character strength would constantly shift as he was writing the story, and certainly nobody at Toei ever seemed very concerned about consistency in this area either, as has often been noted. They are all primarily concerned with creating exciting battle scenes (and the occasional poop joke), not in portraying some inviolable hierarchy of character strength.

And I think overall DB fans share these priorities. Doesn't the extreme prevelance of DB fighting games versus the comparatively small number of DB RPGs suggest that by and large fans care more about the characters fighting than about detailed systems determining the power relationship between those characters?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Can you really blame them though. One should have consistency regardless of whether it's not meant to be taken 100% seriously. Power scaling issues can be written off as lazy writing which in fact does hurt the story. People wanting to know who is stronger than who is quite normal for a series centered around quite a few instances of intense fisticuffs.

[Draken]

If the Gohan thing was a mistake and not intentional, meaning, they went back and changed his aura and hair color, then that means he'll look like Ultimate Gohan but only be as strong as SSJ2 Gohan. And that blows.

Baseless. Ultimate Gohan will have the power of Ultimate Gohan no matter what. Especially since they are going up against a god and he will need to be as strong as he can possibly be. No reason to nerf him.

How is it baseless? What he means is that if it was a mistake, unless they go back and re-do every single shot of the old SSJ2 Gohan fighting, then all they've done is redraw SSJ2 Gohan into U. Gohan, except he's still using that SSJ2 strength.

[Saitou Hajime]

Everyone except the Super Saiyan God is going to get jobbed to Bils in this movie. I'm not sure there's really a distinction between SSJ2 strength and Ultimate strength in this context, considering both ultimately lead to the same result.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

The bowl:

[Saiga]

Looks pretty neat, I wouldn't mind having one of them for myself.

[Chuquita]

The bowl:

Would be perfect for soup. *u*
Or ice cream.

Either way, if that was something I could easily order online, I'd be very tempted to buy one.

Someone posted some really neat "behind the scenes of the dbz anime" voice actor and animation production stuff (from one of the old guidebooks?) in the BOG 2ch thread. It actually took me a second before I recognized Nozawa.


The others are big so they're links: http://uploda.cc/img/img513ad3cfd612b.jpg
http://uploda.cc/img/img513ad0d689531.jpg

In one of the bigger ones, they're even holding those scripts that I've seen a cover image posted of on the forums a semi-long while back. It's really neat.

[Insertclevername]

Do you guys think we might be able to see what Toriyama looks like today since the new movie is coming out? Do you think it'd be possible for him to make a public appearance somewhere to promote the film?

[SaiyaJedi]

Someone posted some really neat "behind the scenes of the dbz anime" voice actor and animation production stuff (from one of the old guidebooks?) in the BOG 2ch thread. It actually took me a second before I recognized Nozawa.

http://uploda.cc/img/img513ad3bed2c30.jpg
The others are big so they're links: http://uploda.cc/img/img513ad3cfd612b.jpg
http://uploda.cc/img/img513ad0d689531.jpg

In one of the bigger ones, they're even holding those scripts that I've seen a cover image posted of on the forums a semi-long while back. It's really neat.

It's the roundtable from Dragon Ball Z Anime Special 2, released in 1991 (between Z movies 4 and 5).

...The translation is in progress, actually, but other things (such as the movie we're all talking about in this thread) keep getting in the way.

[alakazam^]

It's really nice seeing a younger Toriyama and picturing him during serialization.

I wonder which episode were they dubbing? It seemed Saiya-jin arc. I recognized Nozawa, Tanaka and... Emori, I think? The old man near Nozawa might be Yanami and, I guess, Suzuoki might be one of the other guys. Couldn't see Furukawa, though...

Edit: Oh wait, it says they are the seiyuu for: Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Gregory, Kuririn, Goku/Gohan, Kamesennin, Kaiou, Bubbles and Chaozu.

[goku the krump dancer]

You know I may be looking too deep into this but do you guys think the Potara earrings are an example of the Kaioshin's life creating abilities? The new guide books state that while Bils is a God of Destruction, the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation but not in the raw since, but to the point where they can create a catalyst for new things to be born. The idea of fusion is that two people combine together and become a single brand new person. The Potara were created by Kaioshin and when worn/used properly they can fuse people together. Vegetto is a grate example because he was formed by the raw elements of Goku and Vegeta but born through the Potara earrings aka the catalyst of new life.

This has little to do with BOG but I figured I just ask here any way.

[Chuquita]

Re: roundtable

Neat! Looking forward to its translation in the future.

The latest 2ch BOG thread posted a comparison image between the two Gohans (the ssj and ultimate) from the trailers. The differences on the whole between the two images are interesting (in addition to Gohan being switched from ssj to ultimate): Bulma's gazebo, grass where there becomes paved road, the inclusion of background characters, the colors of Gohan's gi, the rooftops, and the color of the umbrella.

Source: http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ani ... 362745300/

It makes me wonder what else has been updated since that first trailer.

[NeoKING]

In the right hands, that flashing image can be used as a troll .gif to all those who love to bitch on and on about Ultimate Gohan's ability / inability to go SSJ.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

You know I may be looking too deep into this but do you guys think the Potara earrings are an example of the Kaioshin's life creating abilities? The new guide books state that while Bils is a God of Destruction, the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation but not in the raw since, but to the point where they can create a catalyst for new things to be born. The idea of fusion is that two people combine together and become a single brand new person. The Potara were created by Kaioshin and when worn/used properly they can fuse people together. Vegetto is a grate example because he was formed by the raw elements of Goku and Vegeta but born through the Potara earrings aka the catalyst of new life.

This has little to do with BOG but I figured I just ask here any way.

No because Kaioshin would have known about the potara before hand, he was as surprised as Goku to find out about them.

Toriyama Chozenshu interview.
Rather than Kaiōshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets. Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaiō-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world’s balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don’t get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaiōshin’s orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction.

So he just creates them when he has to I guess.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yes, it's a possibility that in that screen is the Toei version of the "rush" aura, but I'm really sceptical regarding that matter. In both the anime and M13 Gohan had normal white ki aura, which is contradictory to the manga. I believe the anime gave Boo a ki aura as well, although he doesn't appear to have one in the manga neither (just the "rush" one).

The anime gives aura to almost every character. It's an anime-only thing, but not an error. The manga does this rarely (except for the Super Saiyans & Cell), but we have seen cases where "base characters" have an aura (not rush aura).