Why didn't they choose Lucifer over Hеrcule for Mr. Satan?
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Why didn't they choose Lucifer over Hеrcule for Mr. Satan?
In whatever you believe, Lucifer would have been a better replacement name than Hеrcule which made it obviously what to expect from the character, muscular, that Mr. Satan is.
I'm not religious but according to what I've read Lucifer was simply tired of following orders from God which made him turn rebel and therefore, he's seen as evil, well this kind of reminds me of dictators.
But well, it's too late now, Hеrcule is what Mr. Satan's known as through the video games, French/Portuguese/English/etc dubs and merchandise overall. Although, Mr. Satan is used widely which means it has more popularity than Hеrcule.
I'm not religious but according to what I've read Lucifer was simply tired of following orders from God which made him turn rebel and therefore, he's seen as evil, well this kind of reminds me of dictators.
But well, it's too late now, Hеrcule is what Mr. Satan's known as through the video games, French/Portuguese/English/etc dubs and merchandise overall. Although, Mr. Satan is used widely which means it has more popularity than Hеrcule.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
That's probably a bit too on the mark. Not to mention it just doesn't fit. Mr. Satan works because it sounds like ring name for a wrestler. Even as much as I despise Hercule, it perfectly encapsulates the character with the ironic reference. Lucifer, on the other hand, does not.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
Lucifer is more of a villain's name as well. Hercule sounds more heroic as he presents himself.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
Well, aside from the fact that they'd already dubbed a Dragon Ball movie whose villain was named Lucifer, having a character named Lucifer would "offend" all the same people who would have been offended by a character named Mr. Satan, so there wouldn't have been any point of changing it if they were just going to change it to an equivalent.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
Or maybe Mr. satin?
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
In addition to the reasons already listed, it was also a lip-flap issue, I would guess.
Satan is two syllables (since they often just call him that without the Mister in front of it), 'Sa-tan'. The 'H-word' (man this filter gets old) is also two syllables, 'Her-cule'. So replacing the former with the latter was pretty easy in the recording process probably.
Lucifer on the other hand, is three syllables, 'Lu-ci-fer', so it wouldn't have worked nearly as nicely there.
Satan is two syllables (since they often just call him that without the Mister in front of it), 'Sa-tan'. The 'H-word' (man this filter gets old) is also two syllables, 'Her-cule'. So replacing the former with the latter was pretty easy in the recording process probably.
Lucifer on the other hand, is three syllables, 'Lu-ci-fer', so it wouldn't have worked nearly as nicely there.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
They should have changed his name to "Mister Samson", and Videl's name to "Delilah".
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I kinda like that Herms actually. Although Delilah wouldn't have worked with the syllables
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
I agree with Gaffer Tape, both names have the same meaning, so both were probably no good for a children's TV show here in the US. I remember in early US merchandise though, his name was Mr. Savage. I was kinda OK with that knowing full well his name was probably gonna be changed in the dub when they got to that point. I don't know what made them abandon that and go with the French dub's name for him.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
I always forget about the Mr. Savage thing. Not that I have any particular issues with Her-cule, but I do wish they'd gone with that in retrospect. It's somewhat similar to his original name phonetically, has the right syllables, and would have been slightly more accepted by and large I'd guess.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
Yea, I think because at least "Mr. Savage" sounds like a stage name, which is what "Mr.Satan" is. It's all in the same vain.Gyt Kaliba wrote:I always forget about the Mr. Savage thing. Not that I have any particular issues with Her-cule, but I do wish they'd gone with that in retrospect. It's somewhat similar to his original name phonetically, has the right syllables, and would have been slightly more accepted by and large I'd guess.
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Wasn't Funimation at on point talking about Randy 'Macho Man' Savage (RIP) doing his voice, or was that made up?
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I'm pretty sure that was made up just now for this very topic.Retan wrote:Wasn't Funimation at on point talking about Randy 'Macho Man' Savage (RIP) doing his voice, or was that made up?
OK, seriously though, I've never heard of that. It might have been a rumor back in the day, I'm just unfamiliar with it. I think the closest thing they got to a celebrity voice actor was the guy who did Chubacca's voice (growl?). He was in the dub of the DBGT TV Special.
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
First I've heard of the Randy Savage thing too. It could be a legit 'rumor' at least, but I'd guess no more than that - like all the pretty popular live-action-movie-casting rumors from back in the day.
Not to go even further off topic, but I've always been curious about the Chewbacca guy doing a voice in that special - did we ever hear how that even came about? Was he a fan and in town at the time, or what?
I forget who it was, but there was also a professional baseball player that played the baseball coach in one of the early Boo arc episodes (the one where Gohan is trying to be 'normal' by holding back, and fails utterly). The story I always heard (from Kyle Hebert I believe) was that the baseball player's son was a fan, so he got him a tour, and while they were there, a director (Sabat I'd guess) asked if he'd like to play a small role that they happened to have available.Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I think the closest thing they got to a celebrety voice actor was the guy who did Chubacca's voice. He was in the dub of the DBGT TV Special.
Not to go even further off topic, but I've always been curious about the Chewbacca guy doing a voice in that special - did we ever hear how that even came about? Was he a fan and in town at the time, or what?
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Re: Why didn't they chose Lucifer than Hеrcule for Mr. Satan
Keeping the "Mister" in the name also helps because of course the good Majin Boo starts calling himself "Mister Boo" after becoming Mister Satan's (so-called) disciple at the end of the series. This doesn't make sense if you change Mister Satan's name to something without "mister" in it.Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Yea, I think because at least "Mr. Savage" sounds like a stage name, which is what "Mr.Satan" is. It's all in the same vain.
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I swear I wasn't the one who made it up honest. This was even before what's his face the guy who play Fred in scooby doo was rumored for adult Gohan. But maybe I made up that one up in my head too. I'm so confused.
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I dunno, because they are affraid of hell in America and Lucifer is same as Satan?
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That's even worse than Mr. Satan, lmao.
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Re: Why didn't they choose Lucifer over Hеrcule for Mr. Sata
It won't work since the US has too many religious people. I don't mind the name "Hercule" since it does fit his character in my opinion.
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Re: Why didn't they choose Lucifer over Hеrcule for Mr. Sata
They clearly wanted to avoid religious references.