How come didn't Freezer use his finger supernova at the end?

Dark Red Z · Post by **Dark Red Z** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:18 pm

Let's travel back to when Freezer was left alone by Goku quitting the fight and leaving.
He could have just used a no-effort, finger supernova to blow Namekusei, with Goku on it and him surviving.

As seen in canon, the explosion itself did absolutely nothing to him, other than knock him out.

matt0044 · Post by **matt0044** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:25 pm

Dark Red Z wrote: As seen in canon, the explosion itself did absolutely nothing to him, other than knock him out.

For all he knew, he could've died. The fact that he survived was a miracle that he couldn't really count on then for all he knew.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:26 pm

Dark Red Z wrote:Let's travel back to when Freezer was left alone by Goku quitting the fight and leaving.
He could have just used a no-effort, finger supernova to blow Namekusei, with Goku on it and him surviving.

As seen in canon, the explosion itself did absolutely nothing to him, other than knock him out.

Freeza probably didn't have much time to think about it, much less the rationale. I mean, he'd just been shown up HORRIBLY by a 'monkey'. The monkey kicked his ass. The monkey kicked his ass so bad that Freeza had to pull out his full power, use a technique that he clearly didn't have as full control over as he thought, and ended up being taken down by said own attack. And then the monkey even gives him some of his energy, telling Freeza - FREEZA, lord of the universe - to take it and live in hiding somewhere for the rest of his days.

Needless to say, I'd say his rage peaked there more than it had at any other point probably. So that, mixed with the fact that Goku was leaving right before him so he had to act fast, and the fact that taking the kill with his own hands (even if it was with his foe's energy...) would be a lot sweeter - well, there it is. That's my thoughts anyway.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:27 pm

Would he have necessarily had the power left to do that?

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:07 pm

Yeah, I don't think Freeza had enough power to generate his Death Ball attack at that point. That last blast for Goku likely had just about all of the energy Goku gave him.

Now if this was Freeza before being cut in two by his Kienzan, he probably could've used it.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:10 pm

Freeza is pissed off to his breaking point, he likely wouldn't think to do it because he is so delirious and wants Goku to die at his hand.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:14 pm

This actually makes me think of another question that's related somewhat - how in the hell did Goku sharing some energy with him make Freeza heal to some degree? He's not in much pain after getting the energy, especially not compared to how he was writhing in agony before. Shouldn't he still be...you know...slowly bleeding out?

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:21 pm

His brother survived fine as half of a head, so Freeza should suck it up. At least he still has 3/8 of his body

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:23 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:His brother survived fine as half of a head, so Freeza should suck it up. At least he still has 3/8 of his body

...VERY good point.

Still seems a little off to me though. Maybe the bodies of his race are just THAT durable though. I don't remember him suffering too awfully bad from losing his tail for example, so...

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:32 pm

Yeah, I REALLY don't know how Cooler managed that. He's tough, but good god, Broly at least was incapacitated by that, and he didn't even get Supernova'd on top of everything else.

On topic: I don't know if this was in the manga, but in the anime I think Goku pointed out that if Freeza really wanted to, there's nothing Goku could really do to stop him from firing another blast at the planet and blowing it up. He said that Freeza just wanted to fight on relatively fair terms to "prove" that he wasn't inferior to a monkey. Freeza smirks in response.

So yeah, blame this one on the villain not using his powers intelligently because of pride. If any one of the villains did that, the heroes never would've stood a chance. Especially with Cell, who had a dozen ways he could've instantly won.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:35 pm

Did Coola really "survive" as just a bit of head, or was he just reanimated by the big...star...thingy? I don't remember the movie very well.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:55 pm

Bussani wrote:Did Coola really "survive" as just a bit of head, or was he just reanimated by the big...star...thingy? I don't remember the movie very well.

Well, he's the one in charge of the star's main body, after it assimilated him...but I guess it could have revived him first, rather than him having still been alive in that state prior to the star absorbing him.

InfernalVegito · Post by **InfernalVegito** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:55 pm

He didn't because plot armor.

As for an in-universe explanation, he either had no energy left (him charging a Supernova off just his finger without showing any kind of strain while doing so, doesn't mean it doesn't consume a shitload of energy) or the thought just didn't cross his mind, considering the fiery situation.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:15 pm

Actually, this makes me wonder: does Freeza EVER use that technique in the manga? I'm pretty sure it's only used in the Bardock special and in some filler against Trunks. But I could be misremembering.

Makaioshin · Post by **Makaioshin** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:21 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Actually, this makes me wonder: does Freeza EVER use that technique in the manga? I'm pretty sure it's only used in the Bardock special and in some filler against Trunks. But I could be misremembering.

If I remember correctly, he does prepare the attack right before he is hit by the giant Genki Dama. Unless that was intended to be something else entirely.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:08 am

Makaioshin wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:Actually, this makes me wonder: does Freeza EVER use that technique in the manga? I'm pretty sure it's only used in the Bardock special and in some filler against Trunks. But I could be misremembering.
If I remember correctly, he does prepare the attack right before he is hit by the giant Genki Dama. Unless that was intended to be something else entirely.

The actual ball is entirely different, yes.

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:42 pm

That black ball with the lightning is something I guess Dragonball: Final Bout (old ps1 game) called "Death Ball"

The name got popularized by other video games and whatnot.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:47 pm

The "he didn't have energy" thing doesn't really work. Even at 0.01% of his power, he has more than enough energy to blow up a puny planet... again it's just his pride getting in the way and the villain not using his powers in an intelligent way so the heroes can have a chance.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:04 pm

Who says he had even 0.01% of his power? Goku only gave him enough to not die and to flee the planet.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:49 am

Whoah. Where is this .01% of power thing coming from? I'm going to assume this is based on the dub mistranslation that he was only using one percent of his power, but .01% means one-hundredth of one percent... as in, you'd need ninety-nine more of those to even get to one percent!

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