Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:26 pm

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Pantalones wrote:Yeah, Yamcha beating Olibu is absurd no matter how strong the humans got, at least if we're supposed to believe that Olibu actually put up a fight against Paikuhan. Yamcha seems to be the first to give up on training and he was the weakest of the three back in the Androids/Cell saga, so there's no way he managed to miraculously get that strong in 7 years of... not really even training?
It was done intentionally as a joke. Remember Yamcha is the undisputed Filler King.
You know, I'm surprised Yamcha literally was not a pancake after trying 300x gravity in the Anime

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by ZombieVito » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:16 pm

Tien: Around Suppressed Piccolo (Android Saga), stronger than Kid Gohan (Android Saga).

Krillin: Around Base Trunks (Trunks Saga).

Yamcha: Around Base Goku (Freeza saga).

Chiaotzu: Around Gohan (Trunks Saga).

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:02 am

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But Ten isn't even a full-blooded Earthling. It was confirmed that Krillin was the strongest full blooded Earthling in the series thanks to the BoG character data.
Strongest Earthling, nothing was said about full-blooded.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:29 am

I guess Krillin could wipe the floor with Ultimate Gohan then.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:41 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:I guess Krillin could wipe the floor with Ultimate Gohan then.
Gohan isn't classified as an Earthling, he's a hybrid. Tenshinhan, however, is.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:09 am

He's an Earthling. He lives on Earth, he was born and raised on Earth, and his blood is human, at least half of it.

Krillin is the strongest Earthling, nothing was said about full-blooded.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:43 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:He's an Earthling. He lives on Earth, he was born and raised on Earth, and his blood is human, at least half of it.

Krillin is the strongest Earthling, nothing was said about full-blooded.
Gohan's a Saiyan, and classified as such when not identified as a hybrid.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:48 am

An Earthling is someone who lives on Earth. Gohan is more human than saiyan; he has the same amount of blood for each, but he was brought up as a human on the human planet.

No one said that he had to be full-blooded. Obviously Krillin's way stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:53 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:An Earthling is someone who lives on Earth. Gohan is more human than saiyan; he has the same amount of blood for each, but he was brought up as a human on the human planet.

No one said that he had to be full-blooded. Obviously Krillin's way stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
Not the way the series uses it. And by that (faulty) logic Goku isn't a pure Saiyan, because he was raised on Earth.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:54 am

And what way does the series use it? Where does it say that Earthlings are just Tien, the clown midget, Krillin, and Yamcha? Why is Gohan not considered an Earthling for not being full-blooded human while apparently Tien is when he's also not full-blooded human?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:57 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:And what way does the series use it? Where does it say that Earthlings are just Tenshinhan, the clown midget, Krillin, and Yamcha? Why is Gohan not considered an Earthling for not being full-blooded human while apparently Tenshinhan is when he's also not full-blooded human?
Guidebooks. The same guidebooks that state that Tenshinhan is the descendant of the descendants of aliens.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:00 am

What guidebooks and what do they say exactly?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:24 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:What guidebooks and what do they say exactly?
It's Daizenshuu 4. They have a racial groups section, and Tenshinhan is classified as a human-type Earthling, while Gohan is in the Saiyan group. That's the same guidebook that states that Tenshinhan's weird abilities are a leftover from being the descendant of the Three-eyed Clan, who are descendants of aliens.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Marco Polo » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:35 am

Is Krillin more powerful than 18?

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Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:36 am

Marco Polo wrote:Is Krillin more powerful than 18?
Nope, but she's not a human anymore.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:54 am

Amuro Ray wrote:Well, in the Movie Bojack unbound - Tenshinhan was shown to hold his own vs a Non SSJ Trunks - This movie does take place after the Cell saga. It's not Cannon, but it does give us insight that a Human would be around the same power as a base Sayjin.
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There's no way that Tenshinhan would have a chance against even base Trunks in reality (well, manga reality at least).
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by hleV » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:12 am

Not stronger than 50,000, though I'm not sure about Tenshinhan.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:25 am

hleV wrote:Not stronger than 50,000, though I'm not sure about Tenshinhan.
Except Krillin was 75,000 on Namek...
Marco Polo wrote:Is Krillin more powerful than 18?
I wouldn't rule it out but I highly highly doubt it.
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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:39 pm

Tenshinhan: Around Suppressed Piccolo (Android Saga), stronger than Kid Gohan (Android Saga).
Krillin: Around Base Trunks (Trunks Saga).
Yamcha: Around Base Goku (Freeza saga).
Chiaotzu: Around Gohan (Trunks Saga).
Why did all of them get dozens and sometimes hundreds of times stronger? They didn't really get any major boosts after Namek.

Krillin is particularly odd. On Namek he was around 100,000. You have him at 3,000,000. What made it so that he got 30 times stronger? And Yamcha... what made him a hundred times stronger? Why did his power increase more than everybody else's? And why is he at all comparable to Krillin? The last time their power levels were hinted at or said, Krillin was twice as strong as him, and Yamcha has never pulled a Piccolo and just gotten absurdly stronger than everyone else through training.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Strength of the humans in Buu Saga?

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:10 pm

They need to be this strong to even show up at the android arc. They were still semi relevant back there.

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