New series based on multiple universes?

[ATEMVEGETA]

The new Battle of Gods movie brings a lot of confusion with Dragonball Z's connection with GT.

1st is Pilaf and his gang that turns too young in the movie (Z) and then they appeared as too old in the start of GT.
2nd is the no appearance of the Super Saiyan God form in GT. It is known that Goku can transform into the God form anytime now so he should be able to use it against Baby, Rilldo, etc.
3rd the appearance of Gohan as Super Saiyan in GT is a mistake, since he can't tranform into Super Saiyan anymore.

In the movie it is mentioned also that there are 12 universes in which the Dragonball Z universe is the 7th.

All the above makes me wondering if they want to release new series in the future, and since they can't continue the series from the end of GT, they may thinking continuing from the end of Z!!!
But maybe they don't want to completely ignore GT so they can may consider GT as it happened in another of the 12 universes and NOT in the 7th. So they can continue the 7th universe's story with different events than those happened in GT.

Maybe those 12 universes means 12 different timelines of the story, and maybe different events occur in each timeline that makes them differ from each other, much like how Future Tranks's timeline (universe?) is different from Z's timeline (7th universe?)!!!


Any opinions to this?

[Dorexx]

Nothing from this movie makes DBGT's events impossible to occur in the same timeline. In my opinion, it actually hints that it does, with things such as SSJG and the way it's achieved. If you don't think of SSJG as a significant physical transformation like SSJ4 or SSJ3 then you can pretty much connect it with all the many instances in DBGT where the same thing happened: they gathered around Goku (or Bebi) and powered him up. Goku even had a red glow one time after it happened. That and SSJG can be the same thing.

And I really don't see how you can say Pilaf's age difference is a mistake when there are 7-8 years between this movie and DBGT... There are infinite things that could happen to make sense of it. My guess is that he just messed up another wish. They probably have that planned out for another movie.

Gohan transforms into SSJ in both the movie and DBGT, and I don't consider it a mistake in either.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Gohan does NOT transform into SS in the movie. Toriyama stated that he can't tranform into SS anymore since his power up ritual by old Kai.

And you are making too many assumptions for Pilaf!

I can's say something about SS God until I see what is it and how it is performed exactly until the movie is released.

[VegettoEX]

Gohan does NOT transform into SS in the movie.

Actually, he does in one non-fighting instance.

Toriyama stated that he can't tranform into SS anymore since his power up ritual by old Kai.

No, Akira Toriyama has never said that.

(Moving this to something other than "In-Universe", since it's not really that...)

[Blade]

Nothing from this movie makes DBGT's events impossible to occur in the same timeline. In my opinion, it actually hints that it does, with things such as SSJG and the way it's achieved. If you don't think of SSJG as a significant physical transformation like SSJ4 or SSJ3 then you can pretty much connect it with all the many instances in DBGT where the same thing happened: they gathered around Goku (or Bebi) and powered him up. Goku even had a red glow one time after it happened. That and SSJG can be the same thing.

And I really don't see how you can say Pilaf's age difference is a mistake when there are 7-8 years between this movie and DBGT... There are infinite things that could happen to make sense of it. My guess is that he just messed up another wish. They probably have that planned out for another movie.

Gohan transforms into SSJ in both the movie and DBGT, and I don't consider it a mistake in either.

Absolutely with you all the way - the movie not only allows consistency with Dragonball GT it also goes some way to mediate between Z and GT whilst stopping short of actually validating it.

I mean in truth was it ever going to go any other way? There's no way in hell Toei would let the new movie go any length to discredit or de-value GT as it continues to be a source of income to them.

I said similar things in another thread before being flamed by hardcore GT haters.

[B]

There's no way in hell Toei would let the new movie go any length to discredit or de-value GT as it continues to be a source of income to them.

That's a little extreme. I think the number of people who wouldn't buy GT DVDs because it can't fit into the rest of the story can be counted on one hand, and it's not like it needs Battle of Gods to be "discredited" on that front.

I think the real situation is the movie isn't going to go through the lengths of "discrediting" or "de-valuing" GT because it in and of itself is irrelevant right now. The same way it's not going out of its way to make, I don't know, Movie 13 impossible. It's important to remember there's a big time difference in when these things aired in Japan and the West; GT is not fresh on anyone's mind over there.

[Herms]

A lot of people are assuming that the 12 universes mentioned in BoG are DB Multiverse-style alternate universes with alternate versions of Goku and co., but nothing in the movie actually implies this. That said, it's still not too clear what their exact nature is.

[penguintruth]

DBZ Multiverse did it first!

I'd be happy to see a DB series that somehow makes all the movies canon in one of the universes.

[Insertclevername]

A lot of people are assuming that the 12 universes mentioned in BoG are DB Multiverse-style alternate universes with alternate versions of Goku and co., but nothing in the movie actually implies this. That said, it's still not too clear what their exact nature is.

I took it as other realms of existence. Completely different realities. Sort of like the Room of Spirit & Time.

[UpFromTheSkies]

It was officially said (I don't remember where, it's recent though) that the writers of GT got sloppy and forgot that Gohan can't go SSJ anymore.

[Herms]

It was officially said (I don't remember where, it's recent though) that the writers of GT got sloppy and forgot that Gohan can't go SSJ anymore.

No, that was something a fan said to scriptwriter Watanabe on Twitter, prompting his response that Gohan would not actually become a Super Saiyan in the movie. It wasn't any more official than anything you or I might say on Twitter; it just happened to result in an interesting comment from Watanabe.

[InfernalVegito]

And you are making too many assumptions for Pilaf!

Why? Maybe you're just not as imaginative. Anything could be figured out to make Pilaf older again.

[FindKenshi]

I'm calling it now.. Toei signed a deal with Salagir, DB Multiverse gets officially adapted.. to the arguments of "But it's only 12 universes not 21 of them" or "But Goku's in this # universe and in the comic he's from the 18" or w/e.. all I can say is.. of course they're going to change stuff. They're Toei.

Oh or maybe instead of DBM getting officially adapted, they simply just swipe the idea from DBM without any aknowledgement or royalties.. since y'know, they can legally do that since DBM technically is a copyright violation anyway.

Or hey maybe the whole multiverse thing is just being influenced by American comics.. Kami knows, "multiverse" is like a common thing in US comics lol. In fact, that inspired me to start writing a fanfic called Dragonball Crisis.. which actually came out before DBM started -_- but mine was just a little-known fanfic that I never finished, so no credit towards me lol. Though in my fantasy world I'll just believe my fanfic inspired DBM which in turn inspired Battle of Gods.

So, yeah. I created Battle of Gods. Thank me later.

[Hellspawn28]

GT is the scorn of the franchise, looked down upon by most of the fandom in the past 15+ years. I think they should make GT one of the universes instead having it be canon to the manga which be impossible to happen. I think a new series based on the 12 universes can be cool if it's done right.

[Herms]

I'm calling it now.. Toei signed a deal with Salagir, DB Multiverse gets officially adapted.. to the arguments of "But it's only 12 universes not 21 of them" or "But Goku's in this # universe and in the comic he's from the 18" or w/e.. all I can say is.. of course they're going to change stuff. They're Toei.

I hate to repeat myself, but nothing in BoG suggests that the 12 universes are a DB Multiverse-style setup containing multiple alternate versions of Goku and co. If there were alternate Gokus in the other universes, you'd think Beers would mention this to Goku, but he doesn't say anything like that. Maybe if/when we get more information on the 12 universes it will turn out to be just like DB Multiverse, but until then we shouldn't just assume that's the case. So far the supposed similarities seem more like fans familiar with DB Multiverse assuming that any mention of multiple universes will be the same, rather than Toriyama/Toei actually taking a page from DBM.

[FindKenshi]

Technically the new movie destroys DBGT. Pilaf and crew become the same age as Goten/Trunks in Battle of Gods.. but then in DBGT they're much older. So DBGT literally can't happen in that universe.

/edit @ Herms.. well we're assuming that we'll ever know anything about those 12 universes. Isn't the idea of a new miniseries or whatever still a long shot?

[Bussani]

Technically the new movie destroys DBGT. Pilaf and crew become the same age as Goten/Trunks in Battle of Gods.. but then in DBGT they're much older. So DBGT literally can't happen in that universe

Unless they found a way to make themselves older.

[PharaohAtem]

Technically the new movie destroys DBGT. Pilaf and crew become the same age as Goten/Trunks in Battle of Gods.. but then in DBGT they're much older. So DBGT literally can't happen in that universe.

I'm not so sure. It'd be hilarious if they wished for themselves to be adults again and then get really old. I also like the idea of Pilaf and co. becoming children, but then they make it happen to Goku in GT (Even though it's accidental of course).

I feel like this film gives GT more credibility if my information is correct. I believe once you become a Super Saiyan God, your power is increased, which is why Goku fights Birusu as a Super Saiyan. Maybe this can give reason as to why he's so incredibly strong in GT. If there is any sequels to this movie, it'd be interesting if they do give Vegeta the SSG transformation, which would explain why he's stronger than Gohan in GT.

I'm not entirely sure, but it's just something I thought could make a bit of sense.

[Michsi]

I took it as other realms of existence. Completely different realities.

This is what I think too. I want the other universes to expand the Dragon Ball "world" not simply be alternative versions of the main story. Though I have to wonder where Future Trunks' timeline would fit in all of this.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Something that goes against GT is that Super Vegetto was stated to be "perhaps stronger than a SSJ4" yet Birusu is more powerful than him, and I guess that makes SSJ Goku (with God power) equal or above him, IMO above. Also I cant see Mai turning back into an adult, and leaving Trunks.
That's without talking about what Toriyama said about GT.