Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Does anyone know the reasoning as to why this saga was made? What made the Dead Zone movie or Garlic Jr. so special, that the studio decided they needed to add a story line in the anime?
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
They needed to make space so that they wouldn't catch up to the Manga and run out of material to adapt.
Plus, re-using Garlic Jr of all villains makes it much more personal between him and Goku's allies. He was also the only Movie villain at the time who wasn't actually killed in their movie.
Plus, re-using Garlic Jr of all villains makes it much more personal between him and Goku's allies. He was also the only Movie villain at the time who wasn't actually killed in their movie.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Haha I KNOW what filler is! I'm looking for an in studio explanation. You probably said the most logical answer, but I want to know the thought process behind it at Toei. Unless it actually is what you posted. If so, do you have a source?Gonstead wrote:They needed to make space so that they wouldn't catch up to the Manga and run out of material to adapt.
Plus, re-using Garlic Jr of all villains makes it much more personal between him and Goku's allies. He was also the only Movie villain at the time who wasn't actually killed in their movie.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Nothing has ever been said as far as I'm aware.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Well, I'd say the fact that he wasn't killed is a good reason. There's also the possibility that that movie could more easily fit into the series timeline than the other films. And basing it off a movie at all meant that Toei didn't have to put much effort into the story because all the backstory had already been written.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Since Gohan beat Garlic Jr the first time. it would make for a good opponent for the now stronger Gohan. It would make sense for Garlic Jr. to want to avenge on Gohan.
Besides, it was either that or some wacky "Goku's adventures on crazy different planets filler" I guess.
Besides, it was either that or some wacky "Goku's adventures on crazy different planets filler" I guess.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
That, or another absurdly dragged out story arc like the Freeza Saga (even by the show's standards).Jord wrote:Since Gohan beat Garlic Jr the first time. it would make for a good opponent for the now stronger Gohan. It would make sense for Garlic Jr. to want to avenge on Gohan.
Besides, it was either that or some wacky "Goku's adventures on crazy different planets filler" I guess.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
I wish the Garlic Junior arc was in Kai, I liked the arc as it wasn't based around Goku all the time but the other characters fighting the demonic opponents.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
It's one of the few times in a anime-original work where TOEI didn't go out of there way to make Kuririn look like a joke. This time he was portrayed in a good, honest light (a loyal, down-to-earth monk with low self-esteem... who twitterpates on meeting Mrs. Right). Despite my disliking of Maron, I loved the relationship they had. It's my favorite in the entire series because it's loveless and empty...but a rare intentional one.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
I would like to piggyback this, and say that the thought process could have also been to set the tone for Gohan eventually beating Cell. By re-introducing a character that was defeated by Gohan's hidden power once before, and having Gohan beating him without it being a "fluke" this time per se, it went a step towards building Gohan's character arc.Jord wrote:Since Gohan beat Garlic Jr the first time. it would make for a good opponent for the now stronger Gohan. It would make sense for Garlic Jr. to want to avenge on Gohan.
Besides, it was either that or some wacky "Goku's adventures on crazy different planets filler" I guess.
I would put it on par with how Gargoyles, Buffy, and many other shows used the "previously on XXX", with scenes of past episodes that set the tone or to add relevance to events of the current episode.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
They made it because it worked.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
They probably made it because they were uninspired when thinking of material for the filler arc and consequently chose to regurgitate an old idea. Badly.
There's so much wrong with the Garlic Jr. saga I don't even know where to begin. I actually forced myself to watch it recently as part of my Z re-watch, as yeah - it's still Z - but it was agony. So much makes so little sense - every episode I was fighting back the urge to shout at the screen with every instance of inconsistency or lameness.
How could Piccolo, Kuririn and Gohan fresh from fighting Frieza have anything resembling a problem when coming up against a foe they supposedly defeated circa the fight with Radditz? Makyo Star plot-device or not - it's lame. Everything about it is lame. Garlic Jr. is a lame opponent and a poor man's Pilaf without the comic relief. I always hated this 'saga' - even back when I was 10 years old watching it on Cartoon Network when I had no idea what 'filler' was and I hadn't even watched my first fansub!
There's so much wrong with the Garlic Jr. saga I don't even know where to begin. I actually forced myself to watch it recently as part of my Z re-watch, as yeah - it's still Z - but it was agony. So much makes so little sense - every episode I was fighting back the urge to shout at the screen with every instance of inconsistency or lameness.
How could Piccolo, Kuririn and Gohan fresh from fighting Frieza have anything resembling a problem when coming up against a foe they supposedly defeated circa the fight with Radditz? Makyo Star plot-device or not - it's lame. Everything about it is lame. Garlic Jr. is a lame opponent and a poor man's Pilaf without the comic relief. I always hated this 'saga' - even back when I was 10 years old watching it on Cartoon Network when I had no idea what 'filler' was and I hadn't even watched my first fansub!
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
I think a lot of fans will be angry if they add the Garlic Junior saga in Kai. It always have been the least favorite saga in DBZ by fans.dbboxkaifan wrote:I wish the Garlic Junior arc was in Kai.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Not to mention the animation and look of the entire saga also looked cheaper than normal.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
...and how. I lost track of the many times they repeated the same run cycle with Kami and Mr. Popo. We should make a drinking game out of it.Gonstead wrote:Not to mention the animation and look of the entire saga also looked cheaper than normal.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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It would have been better if Toei had created a Cooler ( Coola ) Saga instead . ( non-canon Dbz Saga of course )
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That I could agree to.TheRed259 wrote:It would have been better if Toei had created a Cooler ( Coola ) Saga instead . ( non-canon Dbz Saga of course )
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MY HOLY GRAIL (110% Serious. Please sell me one)Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
Nah i wouldn't have liked that, it would have just been Frieza all over again.TheRed259 wrote:It would have been better if Toei had created a Cooler ( Coola ) Saga instead . ( non-canon Dbz Saga of course )
I really liked the Garlic Jr saga, it was something different from the rest of the series. I would have liked it more if Tien and Chiaotzu made an appearance, i often wonder why Chiaotzu even bothered training with King Kai, it's not like he uses the power he gained from the training.
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Re: Why did Garlic Jr. get his own arc?
My issue with the Garlic Jr. saga is that it is boring. I haven't seen it in 11 or 12 years, I don't plan on watching it again anytime soon.
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