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kei17 wrote:When Vegeta powers up, he shouts "How dare you did that to my Bulmaaa!!!". At the end of the movie, Goku needles Vegeta about it and he denies that he said such a thing.
My shipper heart just exploded! It's really something else that we get so much B/V in this movie.
And the Serpent from the Bible thing sounds really interesting. But I am happy they changed the story, not here for 'good' saiyans.
The cat design has grown on me, but I think I would've preferred a lizard. He could easily be differentiated from the other reptilian characters we've had by having an actual lizard's snout. I guess there aren't as many lizard stereotypes you can abuse for jokes like cats?
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki
The soundtrack sounds pretty good. There's no great pieces, mind, but they do sound quite nostalgic in a way.
Some of those tracks, where I already can imagine what happens thanks to the track's name, do sound like they fit quite well and help making better the scene. For example, "track 30, One More Saiyan" sounds simply beautiful. I can just imagine Videl telling the news and everyone's faces. Now that I think about it, this will be the first time we'll see how the group reacts to the news of a pregnancy (without putting in danger the life of the child who came from the future to save Goku)
Anyways, I really can't wait for this movie!
Yes, Goku visited me once. He turned to me while I was still speechless, and said, "You've drank too much"...
I have 4 questions, I swear I won't ask anything else:
1) Did Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks had to turn Super Saiyans for the ritual? If yes, what happened with Videl/Pan?
2) When the Saiyans hold each others' hands with Goku in the middle, did the ritual resemble the scene where the Saiyans gave their power to Baby in GT, or the Saiyans giving their power to Goku in GT? And did the blue aura came from the other Saiyans to Goku, or it just popped up around Goku?
3) What abilities did Super Saiyan God gave to Goku? So far, I know that he can sense godly ki, and he can absorb attacks by consuming ki.
4) About how long did SSGod lasted?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
The soundtrack is OK. I do like some of the Super Saiyan God-related tracks and the instrumental CHA-LA track but none of it really feels Dragon Ball to me.
Feeding dangerous flames here, but when Goku claims "to be able to feel" Super Saiyan God's power even after it fades away, does that imply he's just that strong normally now? So, in theory, his base form is stronger than his SS3 form now.
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki
B wrote:Feeding dangerous flames here, but when Goku claims "to be able to feel" Super Saiyan God's power even after it fades away, does that imply he's just that strong normally now? So, in theory, his base form is stronger than his SS3 form now.
I don't think so. I think that the Super Saiyan form is no longer a x50 multiplier, instead, it allows Goku to tap at his godly powers.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Makaioshin wrote:The soundtrack is OK. I do like some of the Super Saiyan God-related tracks and the instrumental CHA-LA track but none of it really feels Dragon Ball to me.
That's my problem. It's all very nice, and it sounds suitable for a feature-length production, but there isn't much of a Dragon Ball vibe to it.
Thanks for the previews Saiyuke!
I don't have iTunes and therefore couldn't listen the previews, luckily CD Japan will let you listen to 45 seconds of most of them!
This OST is awesomely beautiful, YES!! After the Ultimate Tenkaichi score (for reanimated scenes) that already felt very cinematic sometimes, they are finally getting how cinematic and epic Dragon Ball should feel.
Some tracks gave me chills with epicness, others just sounded a beautiful moment that gives serenity to your soul for a moment!
Lots of details, of voices in the instrumentations, a little egyptian feel for a track announcing Birus, and those violins that could come from a symphonic orchestra on the OST of the blockbuster of the year.
Those tracks are on a higher level than any other Dragon Ball tracks before, they have stepped up their game big time, and that's something I didn't expect (even though I expected the score to be pretty damn good).
This is a glimpse of the possible glorious future of the franchise if it ever gets full-efforts, full-budget means spent on it.
This is the kind of refresh Dragon Ball needs instead of staying stuck to old styles of the past that have lost any kind of serious impact.
This feels new to Dragon Ball because for once, it's on par with the best AGAIN, that's why it feels un-Dragon Ball to some, because it doesn't feel even just a bit old and outclassed for once, it feels like it's ready to compete against the best, most emotionnal and most epics scores now.
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Makaioshin wrote:The soundtrack is OK. I do like some of the Super Saiyan God-related tracks and the instrumental CHA-LA track but none of it really feels Dragon Ball to me.
That's my problem. It's all very nice, and it sounds suitable for a feature-length production, but there isn't much of a Dragon Ball vibe to it.
I guess it's time to get used Kikuchi's the best one to recognize the series, but the guy hasn't composed the music for db in a long time, if they put his music in newer movies, if they are not reorchestrated it will make it sound like an old kung fu movie, for the series beginning that was the point, but now it's more about gods and whatnot, not a kid going through tournaments showing off his wushu! the only one who has used proper fighting techniques in a long time is Bills!
The only thing I kinda dislike from this soundtrack is that sumitomo used sampled percussion, but I can get over it
There's room for only one snake, and one big boss.
You know what I've always liked about the Kikuchi and Yamamoto scores for the anime? The fact that the orchestrations also have drumbeats, guitars, and bass to them. My all-time favorite Kikuchi compositions are the ones that have loud horns, fast drums, and that good ol' fashioned 70's-80's bombast to them.
These tracks for Battle of Gods sound high-quality and well-composed, but they definitely feel more generic and lack that bombastic Dragon Ball feel. At least Yamamoto's score for Kai had a lot of that bombastic classic feel, while still sounding more modernized. Honestly, what I'm hearing so far could be from any anime. I'm sure it'll sound better in the film than just heard by itself.
Nothing matters (in a cosmic sense.) Have a good time.
I'm liking the extended samples (45 sec vs 30 sec on iTunes) on CDJapan. X3 Track 3 surprised me by busting into an energetic Head Cha La (even though it is in the title >_> ) after that 30 seconds of sleepy-just-waking-up feeling.
Some of the samples don't have their links up yet though.
Also, the 45 sec sample of Goku's transformation-sequence has a choir after the 30 sec point! X3
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B wrote:Feeding dangerous flames here, but when Goku claims "to be able to feel" Super Saiyan God's power even after it fades away, does that imply he's just that strong normally now? So, in theory, his base form is stronger than his SS3 form now.
Goku doesn't actually say that, or make any other comment about it himself. Rather, it's Beers who points out to Goku that Super Saiyan God's time limit ran out some time ago, but that Goku didn't notice because while he was fighting he was able to "absorb" that "world" (apparently referring to the general level of power of SSG; when he starts fighting as a SSG Goku is amazed that there is a "world" like this) into his body. Beers says that because of this, Goku did not greatly power down even after returning to normal.
So...uh...yeah, it's open to interpretation exactly what that all means. But it's definite that post-SSG regular Super Saiyan Goku is not as strong as SSG Goku, but apparently the difference isn't that great.
B wrote:Feeding dangerous flames here, but when Goku claims "to be able to feel" Super Saiyan God's power even after it fades away, does that imply he's just that strong normally now? So, in theory, his base form is stronger than his SS3 form now.
Goku doesn't actually say that, or make any other comment about it himself. Rather, it's Beers who points out to Goku that Super Saiyan God's time limit ran out some time ago, but that Goku didn't notice because he was able to "absorb" that "world" (apparently referring to the general level of power of SSG; when he starts fighting as a SSG Goku is amazed that there is a "world" like this). Beers says that because of this, Goku did not greatly power down even after returning to normal. So...uh...yeah, it's open to interpretation.
To make reference to a similar situation, I think it's like the time when Goku fought Freeza whilst using a Kaioken x10, but appeared to be in his base form the whole time.
I like the idea that ssjg just sort of wears off the more Goku uses its powers. He'll have less of it to access over time until he just runs out of it completely. (Like gas in a car? Or like a t-shirt that gets worn out from being worn too much?)
B wrote:Feeding dangerous flames here, but when Goku claims "to be able to feel" Super Saiyan God's power even after it fades away, does that imply he's just that strong normally now? So, in theory, his base form is stronger than his SS3 form now.
Goku doesn't actually say that, or make any other comment about it himself. Rather, it's Beers who points out to Goku that Super Saiyan God's time limit ran out some time ago, but that Goku didn't notice because he was able to "absorb" that "world" (apparently referring to the general level of power of SSG; when he starts fighting as a SSG Goku is amazed that there is a "world" like this). Beers says that because of this, Goku did not greatly power down even after returning to normal. So...uh...yeah, it's open to interpretation.
To make reference to a similar situation, I think it's like the time when Goku fought Freeza whilst using a Kaioken x10, but appeared to be in his base form the whole time.
Except he didn't look like his base form... I'm pretty sure it was made clear when he was and when he wasn't using Kaioken.
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Listened to the preview soundtrack and it really sounds weird. It can be epic, but as the others have said it doesn't feel like Dragon Ball. I'll have to wait to see how they play out in the film, but the ost feels like its from another movie or series. When I think Dragon Ball, this is not what I hear when it comes to music.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
It's really something else that we get so much B/V in this movie. 
