How come they didn't bring Gohan to fight Kid Buu?

[Darkprince410]

Why have a forum open for discussion if people can't actually have a discussion? Why not just state your opinions and tell everyone else they are wrong

I don't get it. The only person doing that in this thread is you.

My previous post sure fell on deaf ears.

I'm tired of arguing. The line you stated Goku said wasn't there - There was no speach bubble in the picture for Goku to say such.

I haven't seen the scanlation, but...are you saying they removed a whole speech bubble? That sounds really trustworthy.



That "やったな" (yatta na) part at the beginning of Goku's comment is the part that means, "We did it!" Even if you don't trust Herms's translation, that much is so basic and easy to verify.

I talked with him about it, and it was that particular image that he was bringing up. He thought both speech bubbles were coming from Vegeta due to the poor image quality of the scanslation.

[Pan-Pan]

That happens in DBZ a lot more than you'd imagine. They always give up their advantages to make it a more fair and even fight, why would this time be any different? Also it's DBZ and AT.

Not when facing with a fait accompli. In this situation, they're about to lose, and they don't have any good reason to replace an easy solution with a worse one.
It would be as ridiculous as if Goku had said, when Bootenks reverted back to Boocolo, " Gohan could beat you now but Kibitoshin must fight you... because he's responsible after all...! "

Yes, its said Gohan can "beat" Evil Boo in this passage whereas when they're on about bringing Gohan and Gotenks back to life he mentions "fight." But Goku is only saying "fight" in this regard because he's saying they would be able fight Pure Boo when they're back alive. Its not really about implying an unknown income. The line "they can fight" is merely in reference to them having the capability to fight doing to now being alive. I think you might be reading a little too much into this.

And when they're back alive, they would also be able to pick their own noses but that's irrelevant. The interest of such a sentence is to mention the help they can provide. And Goku, by using the verb to fight, is implying this is the only help they can provide. They can fight but probably can't beat Pure Boo.

In fact I'll pose another quote to you which should arguably be "beat" itself.
[...]
Here Vegeta is pleading with them to make him immortal so he can beat the Ginyu Special-Squad. Clearly if he's immortal he has a high chance of victory because he wouldn't die so the only outcome would be Vegeta winning eventually. So why does Vegeta say "fight" instead of "beat"?

Indeed, if he's immortal, he can't die. But it doesn't mean he can't be knocked out. He can also get tired and that would lead to a power drop. So, against 4 opponents stronger than him, he's not sure to beat them.

This is a reasonable assumption. [...] And finally, there is just no clear proof he lied about him not being able to beat Evil Boo. [...] You can make the assumption he was lying about it too but as it stands there is no proof to prove otherwise.

We agree on this point. I wasn't trying to prove he actually did lie. I only explained it's plausible that he lied because he's got a motive for it. I just wanted to show you that my interpretation is valid and thus, this speech from Goku is not an insurmountable obstacle.

At this point Toriyama probably just wanted the story to be over. And he saw no better way to illustrate it than getting the Earthlings to chip into finishing the fight and actually making use of the dragonballs to end it for a "full-circle" kind of thing making it seem as if it always comes back to the dragonballs.

You're justifying the characters' illogical behavior by saying this is a blunder attributable to the author. We can go far with that... As far as to deny most of the truths and facts of the manga.
I'm sorry but this argument is unacceptable.

But Gohan can be strong enough to defeat Boo without being strong enough to stop him from destroying the world.

Goku is not saying they have to be strong enough to stop him from destroying the world. He don't even think of it. Anyway, if Pure Boo reborn on the other side of the planet, no matter how strong you are, you can't prevent him from blowing up the Earth. Goku is just saying they have to train so they won't lose when fighting against him.

SSJ3 Gotenks will be stronger than SSJ3 Goku no matter if their SSJ form is strong enough to be on par with SSJ3 Goku.

Your logic is biased since Goku is on a level with Pure Boo, who can only be weaker than Evil Boo by the amount of South KaioShin's strength. So, we have to admit SSJ multipliers don't work the same way for fusion.

This seems to be the more risky choice in my honest opinion. Convincing every human to donate as much of their Genki as they can to beat Boo. There is no way to know if this will work or not because the humans may or may not choose to trust Goku or Vegeta. The whole scene was designed to create tension.

I repeat it again, it doesn't create any tension at all, it just takes you out of the story.
You can't just say " they do this because they're stupid and Toriyama just wanted the story to end this way ". Please stop arguing with this kind of fallacious argument.

[Hitiro]

And when they're back alive, they would also be able to pick their own noses but that's irrelevant. The interest of such a sentence is to mention the help they can provide. And Goku, by using the verb to fight, is implying this is the only help they can provide. They can fight but probably can't beat Pure Boo.

I'm sorry but I don't see the irrelevance in stating they can fight. Just because Goku doesn't say beat that is no reason to draw the conclusion that they would only be able help rather than defeat Boo. Your just nit-picking on a single word and basing you're argument on it.

Indeed, if he's immortal, he can't die. But it doesn't mean he can't be knocked out. He can also get tired and that would lead to a power drop. So, against 4 opponents stronger than him, he's not sure to beat them.

He seems to be confident he can win if he has immortality according to the way he speaks.

We agree on this point. I wasn't trying to prove he actually did lie. I only explained it's plausible that he lied because he's got a motive for it. I just wanted to show you that my interpretation is valid and thus, this speech from Goku is not an insurmountable obstacle.

That is fair enough, but as I said; There is no proof he did lie so the consensus falls to his statement being true.

You're justifying the characters' illogical behavior by saying this is a blunder attributable to the author. We can go far with that... As far as to deny most of the truths and facts of the manga.
I'm sorry but this argument is unacceptable.

I don't see why we can't do this, Akira Toriyama made quite a few blunders during the Boo arc of the story. A major one being Gohan's apparent "death" and no character questioning why he wasn't "brought back" when they wished for every good guy who died since the morning before the Tenkaichi Budokai. We as the readers obviously know Gohan was alive at this time. But the rest of the cast were assuming he was killed off by Boo. If that were the case then the dragonballs would have revived him. That is a major blunder, nobody would be that stupid in real life. Especially a whole group of them.

Goku is not saying they have to be strong enough to stop him from destroying the world. He don't even think of it. Anyway, if Pure Boo reborn on the other side of the planet, no matter how strong you are, you can't prevent him from blowing up the Earth. Goku is just saying they have to train so they won't lose when fighting against him.

This is open to interpretation. Regardless, even if Gohan and Gotenks are strong enough to beat him they can't do much about him just instantly deciding to destroy the world. Vegeta was lucky to prevent the first shot by Pure Boo, we've seen the good guys more powerful than the bad guys before and they haven't been able to prevent the bad guy from doing something like blowing up a planet. SSJ Goku vs Freeza is a prime example.

Your logic is biased since Goku is on a level with Pure Boo, who can only be weaker than Evil Boo by the amount of South KaioShin's strength. So, we have to admit SSJ multipliers don't work the same way for fusion.

I never said Evil Boo was as strong as the Buff Boo(w/ South Kaioshin). We don't have to admit anything on the SSJ Multipliers. What we know about the SSJ multipliers is they are x50, x100 and x400. No where does it say they are any weaker or any stronger with a fusion. What we do know is the fusion makes the new warrior stronger than the sum of the fusee's. Even if the multipliers decreased, which I don't see why they would, base Gotenks is still far more powerful than any of the other Saiyan's in SSJ. Why? Because even though he was beaten by Fat Boo he wasn't overly hurt. And he was able to escape Fat Boo without too much problems. When Gohan tried escaping as a SSJ he was almost killed. If it wasn't for Kaioshin destroying Boo's attack and Kibito healing him then he would have been done in. Majin Vegeta also believed there was no escape from the monster. So the fact that Gotenks got away from him alive is a statement itself that Gotenks is far stronger than a base Saiyan and is more than likely stronger than a non-fused SSJ. I don't think we should be assuming Gotenks SSJ multipliers don't work the same way purely because it doesn't agree with what you believe. The SSJ multipliers are pretty much as they are stated. And unless Akira Toriyama comes along and says otherwise or a new book comes out changing the multipliers for fusion characters then we'll just have to admit the SSJ multipliers do work the same way for fusion.

I repeat it again, it doesn't create any tension at all, it just takes you out of the story.
You can't just say " they do this because they're stupid and Toriyama just wanted the story to end this way ". Please stop arguing with this kind of fallacious argument.

Toriyama is a lazy man and the manga was coming to the end of the serialisation. More mistakes were cropping up closer to the end so I don't see why he wouldn't. A counter argument. Why didn't they use the boys and the Genki Dama in conjunction with each other? Assuming your statement is correct and Pure Boo is the strongest of the Boo's meaning Gohan and Gotenks would only be able to help instead of "beat," as you put it, why not bring them to help while Goku gathers the Genki Dama? Vegeta is a pretty dumb choice to guard Goku while he gathers Genki for the Genki Dama. Were they not stupid in not bringing two extra fighters who can hold their own and are much stronger than Fat Boo who was at least holding his own? Please tell me why they opted to leave Gohan and Gotenks out of the fight while Goku charged the Genki Dama.

[Pan-Pan]

I'm sorry but I don't see the irrelevance in stating they can fight. Just because Goku doesn't say beat that is no reason to draw the conclusion that they would only be able help rather than defeat Boo. Your just nit-picking on a single word and basing you're argument on it.

The problem is that Goku is trying to guess Vegeta's plan, so he has no reason to minimize what they can do. Of course, that doesn't prove that Gohan and Gotenks were unable to beat Pure Boo, it's just an insinuation that explains why they didn't bring them. You see, one corroborates the other. Both elements are connected.

He seems to be confident he can win if he has immortality according to the way he speaks.

Where ? I don't see any confidence in Vegeta's attitude, only panic.

That is fair enough, but as I said; There is no proof he did lie so the consensus falls to his statement being true.

Exactly. With this statement, we can presume that Goku is weaker than Evil Boo. But, whenever there is an evidence of Pure Boo being stronger that come into conflict with it, then this statement will be easily refuted.

I don't see why we can't do this, Akira Toriyama made quite a few blunders during the Boo arc of the story. A major one being Gohan's apparent "death" and no character questioning why he wasn't "brought back" when they wished for every good guy who died since the morning before the Tenkaichi Budokai. We as the readers obviously know Gohan was alive at this time. But the rest of the cast were assuming he was killed off by Boo. If that were the case then the dragonballs would have revived him. That is a major blunder, nobody would be that stupid in real life. Especially a whole group of them.

Toriyama is a lazy man and the manga was coming to the end of the serialisation. More mistakes were cropping up closer to the end so I don't see why he wouldn't.

You can't query a statement by saying it's a mistake. We can resort to an out-of-universe explanation only if we can't find a logical in-universe explanation. Otherwise we could deny the most obvious facts of the story by saying " It's Toriyama's fault ! It only happened because he wanted to do so ! " If the author wants an event to happen, he must make it consistent. Unless it would be in a comical purpose.

Regarding Gohan's (presumed) death, that's not so strange. Those who formulated the wish weren't aware Gohan was dead. In their minds, they resurrected the victims of the Tenkaichi Budokai. When they heard of his death, they already had forgotten the exact wording. And since they don't sense his power, they just assumed he was dead.

This is open to interpretation. Regardless, even if Gohan and Gotenks are strong enough to beat him they can't do much about him just instantly deciding to destroy the world. Vegeta was lucky to prevent the first shot by Pure Boo, we've seen the good guys more powerful than the bad guys before and they haven't been able to prevent the bad guy from doing something like blowing up a planet. SSJ Goku vs Freeza is a prime example.

Sure, nobody can prevent a bad guy from throwing a ball at his feet. It's not a question of power. That's why Goku is not talking about that, but a possible fight.

I never said Evil Boo was as strong as the Buff Boo(w/ South Kaioshin). We don't have to admit anything on the SSJ Multipliers. [...]I don't think we should be assuming Gotenks SSJ multipliers don't work the same way purely because it doesn't agree with what you believe.

If Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Pure Boo. The difference in strength between these three can't exceed South Kaioshin's strength since Evil Boo = Pure Boo + South Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin (who decreases Boo's power)
So, you can see that your figures don't match the facts. That's why we have to assume Gotenks SSJ multipliers don't work the same way.

What we know about the SSJ multipliers is they are x50, x100 and x400. [...] The SSJ multipliers are pretty much as they are stated. And unless Akira Toriyama comes along and says otherwise or a new book comes out changing the multipliers for fusion characters then we'll just have to admit the SSJ multipliers do work the same way for fusion.

These figures aren't from Toriyama and never appeared in the manga. It has no more worth than any fan made figure.

A counter argument. Why didn't they use the boys and the Genki Dama in conjunction with each other? Assuming your statement is correct and Pure Boo is the strongest of the Boo's meaning Gohan and Gotenks would only be able to help instead of "beat," as you put it, why not bring them to help while Goku gathers the Genki Dama? Vegeta is a pretty dumb choice to guard Goku while he gathers Genki for the Genki Dama. Were they not stupid in not bringing two extra fighters who can hold their own and are much stronger than Fat Boo who was at least holding his own? Please tell me why they opted to leave Gohan and Gotenks out of the fight while Goku charged the Genki Dama.

They didn't think the Earthlings would take that much time to give their Ki and they needed their children's Ki for the Genki Dama. Once they've donated all their Ki, they're useless. As simple as that.

[Zephyr]

What we know about the SSJ multipliers is they are x50, x100 and x400. [...] The SSJ multipliers are pretty much as they are stated. And unless Akira Toriyama comes along and says otherwise or a new book comes out changing the multipliers for fusion characters then we'll just have to admit the SSJ multipliers do work the same way for fusion.

These figures aren't from Toriyama and never appeared in the manga. It has no more worth than any fan made figure.

That's a tad hyperbolic of a dismissal though. They may not have appeared in the manga, but they've still been officially published. That's infinitely more credible than fan-made figures.

[Pan-Pan]

Officially means nothing in such cases. I'm basing my reflexions on the manga Dragon Ball whose author is Akira Toriyama. Shueisha and Toei Animation have no say in the story.

[Amuro Ray]

How is Pure Buu weaker than Evil Buu again? Isn't Evil Buu just composed of the same componets of FATBUU?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

How is Pure Buu weaker than Evil Buu again? Isn't Evil Buu just composed of the same componets of FATBUU?

Fat Buu + evil counterpart. Now remember Fat Buu was not able to tap into his full power because of his innocence. Basically like the hidden power Gohan has. Super Buu is like Gohan 'unlocked' for example.

[Amuro Ray]

How is Pure Buu weaker than Evil Buu again? Isn't Evil Buu just composed of the same componets of FATBUU?

Fat Buu + evil counterpart. Now remember Fat Buu was not able to tap into his full power because of his innocence. Basically like the hidden power Gohan has. Super Buu is like Gohan 'unlocked' for example.

So Isn't Pure BUU stronger based on that?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

These figures aren't from Toriyama and never appeared in the manga. It has no more worth than any fan made figure.[/quote]


Well, they should have credibility of some sort; since kaioken goes all the way up to 20x base, it wouldn't make sense to have SSJ lower than 50x. Even 40x wouldn't cut the ice.

[Zephyr]

Officially means nothing in such cases. I'm basing my reflexions on the manga Dragon Ball whose author is Akira Toriyama. Shueisha and Toei Animation have no say in the story.

I getcha, and I agree that the supplemental material is not as credible as the manga. But it is more credible than unofficial fan-based things. S'all I'm saying.

How is Pure Buu weaker than Evil Buu again? Isn't Evil Buu just composed of the same componets of FATBUU?

Both Fat and Super/Evil are composed of the same parts. Their difference in power is caused by which side is more in control:

- With Fat Buu, the good Kaioshin influence is in greater control, and his power is subsequently suppressed.
- With Super/Evil Buu, the evil "Buu" influence is in greater control, and his power is subsequently not suppressed.

So Isn't Pure BUU stronger based on that?

Not necessarily. Think of it like this:

Pure Buu power: 5
Kaioshin power: 5

Adding those together would be 10, but the Kaioshin influence being dominant reduces that down to a 6 or a 7. Super/Evil Buu allows full access to the power, because the Buu influence is now dominant.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

How is Pure Buu weaker than Evil Buu again? Isn't Evil Buu just composed of the same componets of FATBUU?

Fat Buu + evil counterpart. Now remember Fat Buu was not able to tap into his full power because of his innocence. Basically like the hidden power Gohan has. Super Buu is like Gohan 'unlocked' for example.

So Isn't Pure BUU stronger based on that?

Hmm.. I wouldn't say Pure Buu is stronger. Super Buu did not have any good inside either, so he was able to use the extent of his ability. And also, let's go back to one of my previous discussions explaining how if the first Kai he absorbed made him weaker and more innocent, he would not have gone and absorbed yet another to become even weaker because Buu would have realized before absorbing the fat Kai that he had made a mistake.

[Amuro Ray]

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

[dbzfan7]

From the Daizenshuu 7 Character dictionary.

Dai Kaioshin
The leader of the Kaioshins
First Appears
Chapter 508
Characteristics
A character who long ago was absorbed by Buu, weakening Buu's power.

South Kaioshin
First Appears
Chapter 508
Characteristics
The most powerful out of the four Kaioshin who were killed by Buu long ago.

We have clarification here only Dai Kaio weakened him.

http://web.archive.org/web/201111031213 ... r_s-u#link

Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P5.5-6
Trunks: “Huh!? That’s Majin Boo!?”
Goten: “He-he really has changed…”
Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”

Clarification Super Boo is stronger then Fat Boo.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Super Boo turning into Buff Boo.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P2.3-7, P3.3
Context: after reverting to his South Kaioshin form, Boo continues to change
Vegeta: “…Look…He intends to perform another transformation…”

Buff Boo transforming.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Note: "He’s shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.

Kid Boo being born.

That's the Boo transformations excluding Grey Boo and The Super boo absorbptions

[Darkprince410]

When it comes to Buu's absorptions, we don't know how they work exactly. It may not be something as simple as addition.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

I mentioned this in another topic, but the way the Japanese language works, there's no clear way to determine singular or plural words. It's not like how in English, we can slap an S at the end or re-write the word and immediately show that it's plural. In Japanese, a word is written as it is regardless of whether it's singular or not, and it's the context of the dialogue that determines it. That's why the is there in the translation, because the strict translation is both singular and plural as to the absorptions. However, in reading the context of the dialogue spoken, it's clear that it was just Dai Kaioushin that affected him in a negative sense, not both.

[Hitiro]

The problem is that Goku is trying to guess Vegeta's plan, so he has no reason to minimize what they can do. Of course, that doesn't prove that Gohan and Gotenks were unable to beat Pure Boo, it's just an insinuation that explains why they didn't bring them. You see, one corroborates the other. Both elements are connected.

This argument doesn't explain why they didn't just bring them anyway to hold off Boo while the Genki Dama is being formed. And don't say they thought it wouldn't take long. They can't be as stupid to believe that everyone would agree just like that, and there is still no reason why at any point leading up to the launching of the Genki Dama that they couldn't have wished Gohan and the kids to Goku's side to help. Base Vegeta did not need to try and hold off Pure Boo by himself.

Where ? I don't see any confidence in Vegeta's attitude, only panic.

Maybe its just me but Vegeta seems to be saying the only way they can win is if he's immortal. You can argue this if you want but him being immortal would mean he'd eventually win so "beat" would be an appropriate use of the word here. Yet it doesn't use it.

Exactly. With this statement, we can presume that Goku is weaker than Evil Boo. But, whenever there is an evidence of Pure Boo being stronger that come into conflict with it, then this statement will be easily refuted.

But there is no exact evidence of Pure Boo being stronger. What you believe is evidence is Goku saying Gohan and Gotenks can fight instead of using the word "beat." That isn't really evidence at all, that's just you trying to pull out evidence of probably a badly worded sentence. Your entire premise that Pure Boo is stronger than Evil Boo are vague comments which could be misconstrued into believing Pure Boo is stronger. It still doesn't change the fact that Goku said they have no chance in beating Evil Boo and then later Goku said that he could beat Pure Boo if he charged up his ki for 1 minute. These are facts and more reliable pieces of evidence than what you're suggesting.

Regarding Gohan's (presumed) death, that's not so strange. Those who formulated the wish weren't aware Gohan was dead. In their minds, they resurrected the victims of the Tenkaichi Budokai. When they heard of his "death", they already had forgotten the exact wording. And since they don't sense his power, they just assumed he was dead.

They were aware Gohan was dead as soon as Goku teleported them to the lookout. Are you telling me that in the time it took for Goku to teleport them from Bulma's house to the lookout, which is instantenous, they had forgotten the exact wording of their wish? I'm guessing all of them suffer from short-term memory loss then? Fair enough about his power, I made that point before trying to come up with a reason as to why they just assumed he was dead. But that still doesn't explain why the characters who can't sense Ki didn't question why the wish they had just made seconds ago didn't bring back Gohan, e.g. Bulma, Chi Chi, Videl, #18, the Ox King, Puar and Kuririn's daughter who's name I forget.

Sure, nobody can prevent a bad guy from throwing a ball at his feet. It's not a question of power. That's why Goku is not talking about that, but a possible fight.

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P5.4-5
Context: after Goku tells Dende to heal good Boo
Goku: “Well, it’s alright, ain’t it Vegeta? This Boo and Mister Satan both did well. If these two hadn’t been here, then we and everyone else would have been done in. Right?…And if worse comes to worse, we can just fight again. Let’s train so that this time for sure we won’t lose even if we go one-on-one.”

But Goku could merely be on about himself and Vegeta when he says this. He says "we" but we have no clue whether he's implying anybody but him and Vegeta. Also I don't believe somebody would use "we" if the other people he was mentioning weren't in close proximity. If he were on about himself, Vegeta, Gohan and the kids too Goku would have said "Let's train so that this time for sure us and the kids won't lose even if we go one-on-one." Also I suggest you note the use of the word "again," this suggests to me that Goku was actually only on about himself and Vegeta because they were the only ones to fight Pure Boo. Also the fact that he says "we and everyone else" there is just no mistaking that by we he means himself and Vegeta.

If Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Pure Boo. The difference in strength between these three can't exceed South Kaioshin's strength since Evil Boo = Pure Boo + South Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin (who decreases Boo's power)
So, you can see that your figures don't match the facts. That's why we have to assume Gotenks SSJ multipliers don't work the same way.

I'm not sure I'm following what you are trying to say. Of course the difference in strength between these three can't exceed South Kaioshin's strength. But why does that matter with Gotenks SSJ multiplier? Evil Boo hasn't absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, he has absorbed the Fat Boo. Arguably whatever power decrease Dai Kaioshin offered to Boo would be diminished with the way this absorption works as he wouldn't be directly absorbing the Dai Kaioshin but rather the Boo who has the Dai Kaioshin absorbed. You're also not taking into consideration how strong the South Kaioshin's strength probably is. If Pure Boo had to absorb South Kaioshin then the South Kaioshin would have had to be given Pure Boo a tough time to back him into the corner of absorbing him. That puts South Kaioshin on at least SSJ3 Goku's level of power. So Buff Boo would be something like Pure Boo + SSJ3 Goku's level of power.

They didn't think the Earthlings would take that much time to give their Ki and they needed their children's Ki for the Genki Dama. Once they've donated all their Ki, they're useless. As simple as that.

I'm sorry, but this is a poor excuse. It was obvious that they should have brought Gohan and the Kids to the Kaioshin planet as soon as Pure Boo was done with Fat Boo. Not have a Base Vegeta hold off Pure Boo while Goku gathers the Genki Dama. Whatever you say there is no excuse for Vegeta not using the last wish to bring Gohan and the boys there to stall for time instead of do it himself. As soon as he realised that some people weren't convinced he should have made the wish to bring them there. There is just no excuse for him to not make use of the boys. He couldn't have known how the Genki Dama plan could have gone down which is why he should have brought them.

[Amuro Ray]

Still no way to gauge if his baseline Pure form is stronger/ Weaker than Superbuu. I'll go with stronger though, it make more sense in the context of the story.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Still no way to gauge if his baseline Pure form is stronger/ Weaker than Superbuu. I'll go with stronger though, it make more sense in the context of the story.

There is and no it makes even less sense in the context of the story. If you wanna believe Pure Buu is strongest, fine. Don't, however, ignore the evidence that Evil Buu is stronger.

[Amuro Ray]

Still no way to gauge if his baseline Pure form is stronger/ Weaker than Superbuu. I'll go with stronger though, it make more sense in the context of the story.

There is and no it makes even less sense in the context of the story. If you wanna believe Pure Buu is strongest, fine. Don't, however, ignore the evidence that Evil Buu is stronger.

Right.

[Kamiccolo9]

Still no way to gauge if his baseline Pure form is stronger/ Weaker than Superbuu. I'll go with stronger though, it make more sense in the context of the story.

There is and no it makes even less sense in the context of the story. If you wanna believe Pure Buu is strongest, fine. Don't, however, ignore the evidence that Evil Buu is stronger.

Right.

Why do you insist on trying to offend the people here? You're not the only one who believes this way (about the Buus), but from what I've seen, you're the only one to be so blatantly rude about it. Surely you have better things to do than go in circles arguing with and insulting people.