Signs of Goku's Saiyan Heritage

[songohan619]

I was just listening to the newest Podcast episode (328) for the second time, and it got me thinking: In some events in the series, it almost seems like Goku almost behaves like a traditional Saiyan, like he is sort of transforming into "Kakarot". In what points of the series would you say some of the Saiyan blood/pride/whatever is shown in the series?

My list:

Goku's rage when he becomes SSJ for the first time:
This really is the first time Goku seems out of control. When he first transforms, he seems like another person for a short while. It's like he reverted back to the evil way of the Saiyans for a short period of time, before he manages to control himself.

Goku going SSJ God:
This may be confusing for some people, but hear me out: Goku gets to transform into a god, however, he is not pleased. He wants to get stronger by himself, because he is proud. I feel that this 1: really shows what character Goku is, and 2: shows that he is a Saiyan.

Your thoughts?

[Marco Polo]

When he let Dr. Gero complete his androids instead of stopping him as soon as Future Trunks told him about him.

[samuraix123]

When he let Dr. Gero complete his androids instead of stopping him as soon as Future Trunks told him about him.

This aggravated me so much! Here we have a guy from the future warning you about what's about to go down but Goku's like ''Well he hasn't done anything yet in this timeline so we can't destroy him'' WHAT!? that's our Goku.
But to get back on Topic. I agree I think when Goku wen't super saiyan for the first time, he did seem completely different and he had every right to be.

[DBZAOTA482]

When he let Dr. Gero complete his androids instead of stopping him as soon as Future Trunks told him about him.

Well, he at least has the sense to prepare for the Artificial Humans. In Trunks' timeline, they came completely out of the blue and killed everyone on the spot. This wouldn't be a problem if Trunks actually described them.

Oh and there's letting Vegeta go so he can fight him again but he does regret it later on.

[Marco Polo]

Well, he at least has the sense to prepare for the Artificial Humans. In Trunks' timeline, they came completely out of the blue and killed everyone on the spot. This wouldn't be a problem if Trunks actually described them.

True. However, regarding killing Gero, r I don't think Goku even needed to do that; he could just have destroyed his years' worth of lab work or just handed him to police or something.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Goku letting Frieza gain full power similar to the Gero incident,
Goku turning into Great Ape in DB

[ForestEquilibrium]

- Fighting Vegeta in the Boo arc knowing all too well it's going to help revive Boo

- Giving Cell a senzu bean so he can fight Gohan at full capacity

- Using Kaioken x4 during the Galic Gun/Kamehameha beam struggle despite King Kai's warnings not to do so

- On that note, fighting Freeza head-on despite King Kai's warning to stay away from him

[DBZAOTA482]

- Fighting Vegeta in the Boo arc knowing all too well it's going to help revive Boo

- Giving Cell a senzu bean so he can fight Gohan at full capacity

- Using Kaioken x4 during the Galic Gun/Kamehameha beam struggle despite King Kai's warnings not to do so

- On that note, fighting Freeza head-on despite King Kai's warning to stay away from him

I don't know about the third point. The fate of the planet depended on it.

[ForestEquilibrium]

- Fighting Vegeta in the Boo arc knowing all too well it's going to help revive Boo

- Giving Cell a senzu bean so he can fight Gohan at full capacity

- Using Kaioken x4 during the Galic Gun/Kamehameha beam struggle despite King Kai's warnings not to do so

- On that note, fighting Freeza head-on despite King Kai's warning to stay away from him

I don't know about the third point. The fate of the planet depended on it.

Fair enough, but he was still pushing his body past his limit and it kind of screwed him over for the rest of the fight. Still a pretty Saiyan thing to do.

[Bussani]

Goku going SSJ God:
This may be confusing for some people, but hear me out: Goku gets to transform into a god, however, he is not pleased. He wants to get stronger by himself, because he is proud. I feel that this 1: really shows what character Goku is, and 2: shows that he is a Saiyan.

I think that's more of a martial artist thing than a Saiyan thing. I'm not even sure I think of Saiyans as a proud race. Maybe we just get this impression because Vegeta is made of living pride?

[rereboy]

When he let Dr. Gero complete his androids instead of stopping him as soon as Future Trunks told him about him.

This aggravated me so much! Here we have a guy from the future warning you about what's about to go down but Goku's like ''Well he hasn't done anything yet in this timeline so we can't destroy him'' WHAT!? that's our Goku.

Not really... If you had the chance of killing Hitler before he did anything, would it be alright (morally speaking)? Its not such a simple situation.

[NeoKING]

Goku letting Freeza gain full power similar to the Gero incident

This was the crowning moment of "Yes, he's our Goku, but his Saiyan blood runs deep"-ness.

[soulnova]

I'm going to go ahead and try to give a way waayyy earlier example.

Back in Dragon Ball, when Goku is fighting at Baba's place against the Mummy, his whole demeanor and movements remind me of Saiyans. I was re-watching those episodes with my boyfriend and there was a point where we looked at each other and said "That... that was very Saiyan like", "Yes, I was just thinking the same".

[samuraix123]

When he let Dr. Gero complete his androids instead of stopping him as soon as Future Trunks told him about him.

This aggravated me so much! Here we have a guy from the future warning you about what's about to go down but Goku's like ''Well he hasn't done anything yet in this timeline so we can't destroy him'' WHAT!? that's our Goku.

Not really... If you had the chance of killing Hitler before he did anything, would it be alright (morally speaking)? Its not such a simple situation.

I would have because I'd know what he's going to do if I just let him walk away. would it be morally right? that's a tough question for me to answer because I'd haft to ask myself, would it be morally right to sit back and let this dirt bag live and kill hundreds of millions of innocent men, woman and children.

[rereboy]

Not really... If you had the chance of killing Hitler before he did anything, would it be alright (morally speaking)? Its not such a simple situation.

I would have because I'd know what he's going to do if I just let him walk away. would it be morally right? that's a tough question for me to answer because I'd haft to ask myself, would it be morally right to sit back and let this dirt bag live and kill hundreds of millions of innocent men, woman and children.

That's what I mean. Goku's question of how could they kill him if he hasn't done anything yet might be a naive and selfish one, but its also simultaneously a very pertinent one. And if we are seriously criticizing him regarding it then we can't ignore that its not a simple situation at all.

[RandomGuy96]

He could just destroy his lab and turn him in to the police. And I still don't get why Piccolo, Bulma, and Krillin didn't just put that plan into action.

[rereboy]

He could just destroy his lab and turn him in to the police. And I still don't get why Piccolo, Bulma, and Krillin didn't just put that plan into action.

That would be more reasonable but that's where Goku's and the others selfishness comes into play. But, then again, if they did that, they could just be prolonging the inevitable, since there's no telling if that would stop Gero from building the androids eventually all the same. As for the others, Piccolo also wanted to fight and the others aren't exactly the leaders, they just follow Goku and the rest... Also, as Krillin as pointed out when he granted Goku's request of sparing Vegeta, after being saved so many times by Goku, they have hardly the right to deny Goku's wishes.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

I'm not so sure about this topic. It's a very bizarre topic, and it's easier to just imagine these things, and it seems more evident.
Though i highly agree with this. During the Frieza saga , when he was a Super Saiyan, he actually mentions a few times, that he's actually going to KILL Frieza, unlike a regular Goku, who would just leave them defeated not even close to death.

Now i can't really think of any other examples.)

(Man, it's really difficult to type on mobile phones, the text keeps jumping all the way around.

[ABED]

Goku's not alone in not stopping Gero, everyone else agreed with him. Plus, if he did stop him, there would be no Cell arc.

Don't hurt your head by trying to apply morality to DB. It's a world where people can be wished back to life, and mass murderers can be considered "good guys".

[Gaffer Tape]

- Fighting Vegeta in the Boo arc knowing all too well it's going to help revive Boo

- Giving Cell a senzu bean so he can fight Gohan at full capacity

- Using Kaioken x4 during the Galic Gun/Kamehameha beam struggle despite King Kai's warnings not to do so

- On that note, fighting Freeza head-on despite King Kai's warning to stay away from him

I don't know about the third point. The fate of the planet depended on it.

Fair enough, but he was still pushing his body past his limit and it kind of screwed him over for the rest of the fight. Still a pretty Saiyan thing to do.

Ehhh... I still don't see that one. There was literally nothing else he could have done except step out of the way and let the earth blow up... which would have killed him. I don't see anything specifically Saiyan about doing the only possible thing to keep from dying.