Gaffer Tape wrote:I like all the most hated Freeza arc filler: the space orphans, fake Namek, and Blooma and the crab.
It makes sense that he only uses it once, though. The form absolutely sucks, and he learned from that battle not to rely on it again. I don't think it's jsut there for Goku to rescue God because Toriyama could have easily had him punch Piccolo so hard the bottle came out. It's more likely that was there for the same reason Piccolo's arm stretching, Yamcha's Sokidan and Tenshinhan's everything was there - because Toriyama wanted to show off a new technique.Nikkolas wrote:That whole "giant form" stuff is nonsense anyway. It's clearly just in there so Goku could rescue Kami. Piccolo used that ability a grant total of once in all his many, many fights and how convenient that it happens when Goku needs to get at something in his stomach.
Giant Piccolo was a bad piece of narrative contrivance.
Why? The theory is pretty good. By becoming a giant he has much weight which gives him the advantage strength-wise.Nikkolas wrote:
That whole "giant form" stuff is nonsense anyway. It's clearly just in there so Goku could rescue Kami. Piccolo used that ability a grant total of once in all his many, many fights and how convenient that it happens when Goku needs to get at something in his stomach.
Giant Piccolo was a bad piece of narrative contrivance.
That sounds like you're judging him entirely on Semi-Perfect Cell..... when he was fighting Vegeta.IDreamtIWasABee wrote:Cell is insufferable. Yes, I like how suggestive the tail is, too, but the character himself is never anything but undeservedly smug or throwing a temper tantrum. Give me Fat Boo and Kid Boo as the follow-up to Freeza any day.
Now, you may be wondering why I'm signalling out Cell and not his runner-up in vanilla-villain mediocrity, Super Boo. The short answer is that hating on Super Boo isn't unpopular in the least; but he's still better than he gets credit for, if only because he's a living cartoon. Those fights with Gotenks and Vegito in the anime are fantastic, not because they're great as fights, but because Gotenks and Vegito find themselves in a Looney Toons short. And while it's true that Kid Boo could do all of that and do it (much, much) better, Super Boo does come off well as the viciously playful adult when he's fighting Gotenks.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
He's thrown more than one tantrum.DBZAOTA482 wrote:That sounds like you're judging him entirely on Semi-Perfect Cell..... when he was fighting Vegeta.
I actually thought Fat Boo was decent. Something about him just turning people into chocolate, no real sense of morales, ripping his fat off and using it to attack people. Very gross.He's the only Boo who came close to being a decent villain.
Fat Boo at least made an entertaining character (Super Boo was a blank sheet), I'll concede with that but as a villain he was lame because from the get-go he was outmatched. Instead of being smart, he survives due to plot contrivance (or luck) and after Vegeta sacrifices himself, he just destroys things. Goten, Trunks, and even Goku didn't seem to take him seriously in the slightest. I blame Kaioshin.DBZ Mick wrote:I actually thought Fat Boo was decent. Something about him just turning people into chocolate, no real sense of morales, ripping his fat off and using it to attack people. Very gross.He's the only Boo who came close to being a decent villain.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
The manga may not help your opinion - having read it, he's still my least favourite villain as well.Nikkolas wrote:Freeza is my least favorite of the three Z Big Bads. To be honest...I kinda hate him.
I won't deny this is probably due to me starting with the Funi dub. I've been assured by die-hard manga fans that both he and Piccolo are the best DB villains ever and it has kinda made me curious to read the manga just to try and see what is so appealing about the little jackass.
I agree, except for 5 minutes. I could do without that.Gaffer Tape wrote:I like all the most hated Freeza arc filler: the space orphans, fake Namek, and Blooma and the crab.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Well, it's a shonen series, the plot will always demand that the heroes get stronger.Nikkolas wrote:I hate Freeza because of his absolutely absurd power level. He is simply way too goddam strong and everyone gets stronger in a few seconds against him than they did during the whole Namek arc because the plot demands it.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
