How come they didn't bring Gohan to fight Kid Buu?

[Bussani]

Bussani, you'll notice the guy said that a brave man and a coward have the "same amount of power", so, basically, courage is not strength.

Or they had the same amount of power up until Piccolo Daimao appeared in front of them. It's a good argument to make, but it doesn't really prove that courage doesn't add to strength.

[Amuro Ray]

Simple answer - they couldn't. I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

[Bussani]

I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

Because not everyone sees it the way you do, just like you don't see it the way someone else might. How is this so hard to understand...?

What I don't understand is why you've now stated the same thing twice in a row. You're not adding anything to the conversation.

[Hitiro]

Simple answer - they couldn't. I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

It isn't strongly suggested that this form of Boo is stronger at all. There are no lies in regard to Kid Boo's strength. As for when Goku was talking about "boys" he didn't say they'd bring them both. What Goku said was "Ah! You're thinking of bringing Gohan and the boys back to life, so they can fight." The and bit is only mentioned in the bring them back to life. He doesn't suggest they bring Gohan and the boys to fight. Only that they would be brought back to life so that they "can"(basically they are capable of fighting because they'd be resurrected) fight. I explained this a few pages back but if he was trying to say that he'd get them both to fight Boo then he would have worded this sentence better. Its full of ambiguity. You can go as far to say that Goku did mean bringing them both but that is your opinion due to the ambiguity of the words used in it.

What is strongly suggested is Goku and Vegeta have no chance against Evil Boo, as stated by Goku. What is also suggested is that they managed to do something to Evil Boo when he turned into Pure Boo so that they can handle him now. If it was size then it wouldn't matter as Goku would be trounced if he was stronger than Evil Boo in regard to his earlier sentence where he said they have no way of beating Evil Boo. You can go ahead and try to say he's lying about this statement but the fact of the matter is there is no conclusive proof he lied. All we know is what is presented to us through Goku's sentence about Evil Boo which is Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku. What Goku says later is if he has 1 minute to charge his energy in SSJ3 he could beat Pure Boo which suggests SSJ3 Goku >= Pure Boo. In conclusion we get Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku >= Pure Boo. There is just more evidence pointing to Evil Boo > Pure Boo then there is Pure Boo > Evil Boo.

[Zephyr]

Simple answer - they couldn't. I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

They needed fusion to hold a candle to Evil Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusion against Pure Buu.

Just gonna keep pointing that out to you until you provide a proper "theory" as to why this basic concept somehow doesn't hold up.

[Amuro Ray]

I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

Because not everyone sees it the way you do, just like you don't see it the way someone else might. How is this so hard to understand...?

What I don't understand is why you've now stated the same thing twice in a row. You're not adding anything to the conversation.

There is no conversation - it's basically bickering and people asserting that they are more correct than I am, with a little bit of weak logic to hold up weaker arguments.

I mentioned this in the other thread and I'll post it here:
The story mentions no such thing as a power decrease - and even IF there were one, it would be minor. There are a couple of reasons this theory doesn't work, namely the Kais energy do not add power to Manjin Buu as stated by Babidi, for one. Then there is the issue of the Saiya-jin being arguably more powerful than any of the Kais, as told by Kibito numerous expressions and remarks, including SSJ Gohan lifting the Z sword. This means that whatever power the South Kai added (which is none) wouldn't have been much. Then there is the issue of what is stated - no one mentions a drop in Kidbuu's power (though we do find out later he is stronger than they originally believed) and the fear on Kibitos face when Kidbuu appears (no concern of sort was shown for the original Superbuu) There is also the statement made by Kibito on the absorbtions of the Kais actually weakened Buu, though of course you'll debate it was only one that weakened him, but the statement remains.

Also why whas there no Kais present in Buu when Goku and Vegeta saved the others? Why would Buu revert to his Buff ("stronger" state) and then purposely become weaker, when the parts for the composition still remained inside of him? And finally, Isn't Superbuu just EvilBuu in control with Fatbuu's added power, meaning he wasn't much stronger than Fatbuu originally was?

[Amuro Ray]

Simple answer - they couldn't. I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

They needed fusion to hold a candle to Evil Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusion against Pure Buu.

Just gonna keep pointing that out to you until you provide a proper "theory" as to why this basic concept somehow doesn't hold up.

No, Goku doesn't need fusion to beat Buu - Goku has always lied about his power - and this instance is no different. Goku is the only one unsure versus Buu, but Vegeta has seen SSJ3 from the other realm and seems to be confident in their victory over Buu. We can assume that Goku doesn't want to use the SSJ3 form to save Vegeta's pride, it also could be because the Earth is located in the living world, unlike the Kai's realm where he can better utilize the forms power and minimize it's drawbacks. And finally, there is the matter of Goku wanting to save Vegeta from disappearing from the living world - meaning if they fused, he wouldn't have to go back.

[Darkprince410]

Simple answer - they couldn't. I don't know why people are coming up with these "theories" when it's strongly suggested that this form of BUU was stronger, meaner and more dangerous than the others. Goku suggested bringing the boys (plural) insinuating more than "just" Gohan's help would be needed.

They needed fusion to hold a candle to Evil Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusion against Pure Buu.

Just gonna keep pointing that out to you until you provide a proper "theory" as to why this basic concept somehow doesn't hold up.

No, Goku doesn't need fusion to beat Buu - Goku has always lied about his power - and this instance is no different. Goku is the only one unsure versus Buu, but Vegeta has seen SSJ3 from the other realm and seems to be confident in their victory over Buu. We can assume that Goku doesn't want to use the SSJ3 form to save Vegeta's pride, it also could be because the Earth is located in the living world, unlike the Kai's realm where he can better utilize the forms power and minimize it's drawbacks. And finally, there is the matter of Goku wanting to save Vegeta from disappearing from the living world - meaning if they fused, he wouldn't have to go back.

Goku lied a grand total of one time in order to hammer in the importance of the boys learning the fusion dance. However, we only know that he lied because he later states that he could have beat Fat Buu. Nothing, and I repeat nothing, is ever stated or inferred to suggest he was lying when he said that he and Vegeta stood no chance against Evil Buu. The only reason that you say that he was lying is because that stands as a clear indicator that Evil Buu is stronger than Pure Buu. He had no reason to lie to Vegeta, and nothing happens later to contradict it.

Vegeta's always been one to blindly go into a situation without thinking it through. He was sooner willing to go and fight Gohan Buu rather than fuse with Goku, and only relented when Goku told him that Bulma and Trunks both died. Vegeta already knew about Goku's Ssj3 form by this time, so there's no reason that he'd be holding back from wanting to use Ssj3 to save Vegeta's pride. After all, he was more than willing to use it later when he was getting ready to fight Pure Buu.

It wouldn't matter if he was in the afterlife or in the living world at the time, since he wasn't dead.

There was no time limit given to Vegeta at that point. He was going to be there until he was destroyed or until the task was completed, and while fusing with him would keep him from being destroyed again (thus resulting in him ceasing to exist), why would he permanently fuse with Vegeta to save him from returning to the afterlife? That'd prevent him from ever being able to be wished back to life, which is the last thing that he'd ever do.

The story mentions no such thing as a power decrease - and even IF there were one, it would be minor. There are a couple of reasons this theory doesn't work, namely the Kais energy do not add power to Manjin Buu as stated by Babidi, for one. Then there is the issue of the Saiya-jin being arguably more powerful than any of the Kais, as told by Kibito numerous expressions and remarks, including SSJ Gohan lifting the Z sword. This means that whatever power the South Kai added (which is none) wouldn't have been much. Then there is the issue of what is stated - no one mentions a drop in Kidbuu's power (though we do find out later he is stronger than they originally believed) and the fear on Kibitos face when Kidbuu appears (no concern of sort was shown for the original Superbuu) There is also the statement made by Kibito on the absorbtions of the Kais actually weakened Buu, though of course you'll debate it was only one that weakened him, but the statement remains.

It mentions a significant power decrease from Evil Buu to Pure Buu, but I'm not going to go over that again despite how blatantly clear it is. The dialogue about the Z Sword's past leaves it very open to the fact that South Kaioushin never even tried to remove the Z Sword (just that a number of Kaioushin had tried, and all had failed). Besides, given the anime's dialogue with it (since you like to take the anime as a basis for how the story should have been) it was a situation similar to the Arthurian legend of Excalibur, that Gohan was pre-destined to draw it and it wasn't just a matter of strength.

Lastly, the dialogue when Kaioushin is describing Pure Buu's past, it's clear that only Dai Kaioushin had weakened him, since he makes a point that absorbing Dai Kaioushin was what made him docile and more controllable. Likewise, as we see that there's a clear power drop from South Kaioushin Buu to Pure Buu, that means that South Kaioushin was giving him a significant boost to power.

Though it's not something I agree with entirely, I could easily argue that Pure Buu is no stronger than the gray Buu that Fat Buu expelled as steam:

Gray Buu + Innocent Buu = Evil Buu - Innocent Buu = Pure Buu

If we want to get down to the most basic, straightforward bits of logic, that is indisputable fact, and since we know for a fact that Evil Buu is significantly stronger than the Gray Buu (as stated by Piccolo and others), that'd make him significantly stronger than Pure Buu too.

[Amuro Ray]

Your post is full of nonsense - Again - where was it stated that Pureboo was weaker than Superbuu? Please, link me to that quote and we can end it right here - otherwise what you state doesn't add up. Goku lied about beating beating Buu, lied about fighting Vegeta at full power (which is the reason Vegeta was upset in the first place) and lied about beating Superbuu (a statement later proven wrong with the introduction of Kiddbuu) If Pure buu was just the same composition and power as Evil buu - why did he look different? Why would Buu intentionally weaken himself (considering he still had the Kais inside of him)


And I like how you ignored the Kai's power cannot be absorbed by Buu - and the Kai argueable had to be weaker the even Vegeta. What you are saying doesn't add up.

[Zephyr]

@Amuro Ray:

We don't know if Goku could take Evil Buu or not, because we never see them actually fight. All we have is a slew of statements and implications made by characters that are very much so left up to interpretation. The Buu arc's bad writing seems mostly to blame for this.

But if we look simply at their actions, and the conviction they had toward each action, you don't need statements or quotes. With Super Buu they were desperate as fuck to fuse, while with Kid Buu they weren't. They could sense Buu's ki both times, and they had the chance to fuse both times.

Another thing: When they're about to detach Fat Buu's pod, Buu seems really desperate to prevent that from happening.

Re Goku's lies:

The fact that he lied a few times doesn't make him a chronic liar, or anything. Those lies had their different purposes and justifications. Goku lied to Vegeta because he didn't want to hurt his friend's feelings. He lied about being unable to beat Buu because it would force the people who actually live on Earth to defend it. Him justifiably lying twice doesn't mean he's just going to keep lying "just because".

[Draken]

Your post is full of nonsense - Again - where was it stated that Pureboo was weaker than Superbuu? Please, link me to that quote and we can end it right here - otherwise what you state doesn't add up. Goku lied about beating beating Buu, lied about fighting Vegeta at full power (which is the reason Vegeta was upset in the first place) and lied about beating Superbuu (a statement later proven wrong with the introduction of Kiddbuu) If Pure buu was just the same composition and power as Evil buu - why did he look different? Why would Buu intentionally weaken himself (considering he still had the Kais inside of him)


And I like how you ignored the Kai's power cannot be absorbed by Buu - and the Kai argueable had to be weaker the even Vegeta. What you are saying doesn't add up.

Your post is full of nonsense - Again. Just admit right now that you blatantly ignore every other argument and are blindly holding your position (again) and we can end this right here. Stated in the post RIGHT above yours is reasoning countering pretty much everything you just stated.

[rereboy]

Your post is full of nonsense - Again - where was it stated that Pureboo was weaker than Superbuu? Please, link me to that quote and we can end it right here - otherwise what you state doesn't add up. Goku lied about beating beating Buu, lied about fighting Vegeta at full power (which is the reason Vegeta was upset in the first place) and lied about beating Superbuu (a statement later proven wrong with the introduction of Kiddbuu) If Pure buu was just the same composition and power as Evil buu - why did he look different? Why would Buu intentionally weaken himself (considering he still had the Kais inside of him)


And I like how you ignored the Kai's power cannot be absorbed by Buu - and the Kai argueable had to be weaker the even Vegeta. What you are saying doesn't add up.

Goku talking to Vegeta inside Buu after defusing: if we fight Buu like this we'll get killed!

Goku after Kid Buu appears: Alright, we can take him.

SSJ3 Goku after fighting Kid Buu for a while: I can take him all by myself, but I need to focus for a minute to gather my power.

And no, he was not lying in these cases because there was no point in lying. He said that maybe he couldn't beat Fat Buu because he wanted to leave him for Gotenks. He wasn't wrong either, he just didn't anticipate that his SSJ3 would consume much more stamina as a living person.

[Pan-Pan]

1) Goku had a valid reason to lie inside Boo, as I explained.

2) You assume South Kaioshin was extremely strong only because you believe Super Boo is stronger than Pure Boo, but there's nothing implying South Kaioshin was stronger than Gohan SS1. So, you have to :
- suppose South Kaioshin didn't try to pull out the Z-Sword for no reason at all
- suppose South Kaioshin was equal or stronger than Pure Boo even though there's not even a single hint.
Actually, you're making an assumption based on... nothing.

3) You're acting as if the fact that Goku was relieved when Boo reverted back to his pure form proves his power decreased. But it doesn't make sense for Goku to not tell that Boo's power decreased if he noticed it, especially when Vegeta is judging by size. I remind you that this is always mentioned when there is a power variation of a character in the story. So, considering there is no "Phew ! His ki has decreased !", it seems obvious that Boo's power hasn't changed and that Goku judged him by his size. Oh, and here is another clue implying that Goku was judging by size at this point in the story :

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P8.7
Context: Boo forms a big ki blast
Goku: “It-it’s huge…! You’ve got to be kidding…! Do-does he intend to unleash that…!? …We can’t knock back something like that…!”

Gotenks and Gohan already had their chances and screwed it up. Odds are they would get themselves absorbed again or something if Boo were to find himself at a disadvantage to them. Any plan that's carried out by Goku and Vegeta would be more reliable than bringing in Gohan or Gotenks.

Goku was willing to let Gohan kill Boo when Bootenks turned into Boocolo. And later, Goku didn't seem to think of the possibility to be absorbed because :
- He himself fought Pure Boo without being afraid to be absorbed.
- He said at the end of the battle against Boo that if an evil Boo reborn from the good Boo, they can just fight again.

Same reason they don't form Vegetto again (or form Gogeta) even though he's indisputably stronger than Kid Buu.

They don't fuse because Vegeta stubbornly prefers dying rather than fusing.

Or they had the same amount of power up until Piccolo Daimao appeared in front of them. It's a good argument to make, but it doesn't really prove that courage doesn't add to strength.

He only talked about a difference in reaction, in behavior. He stated at the beginning of the sentence that both have the same amount of power, and then he didn't contradict himself, so the conclusion is that courage doesn't change the amount of power.

[Ookalf]

You're acting as if the fact that Goku was relieved when Boo reverted back to his pure form proves his power decreased. But it doesn't make sense for Goku to not tell that Boo's power decreased if he noticed it, especially when Vegeta is judging by size. I remind you that this is always mentioned when there is a power variation of a character in the story. So, considering there is no "Phew ! His ki has decreased !", it seems obvious that Boo's power hasn't changed and that Goku judged him by his size.

After everything Goku and Vegeta have been through, though, shouldn't they know better than to judge someone's strength purely by their physical appearance? I mean, sure, Vegeta only specifically mentions how short Buu's become, but I think they'd both realize by now that you can't always judge a book by its cover. So, when Goku thinks they can handle him now, the reader can somewhat easily infer that he's determined this by gauging Buu's ki, not just his height.

At least, that's what I'd think.

[Kaboom]

The "we can take him now" line IS evidence of his power having decreased.

First there was a "he's too strong for either of us and will kill us for sure" line about Evil Boo. Then there's a "he semed to be getting stronger" line about Buff Boo, which then immediately turns into a "we can take him now" line about Pure Boo. That is revised into a "I can finish him off if I give it all I've got at Super Saiyan 3," line, which grants him as stronger than they expected but still within a range that at least Goku can handle.

The statements and support are there, it's just up to the individual to place any value in them.

[Draken]

1) Goku had a valid reason to lie inside Boo, as I explained.

2) You assume South Kaioshin was extremely strong only because you believe Super Boo is stronger than Pure Boo, but there's nothing implying South Kaioshin was stronger than Gohan SS1. So, you have to :
- suppose South Kaioshin didn't try to pull out the Z-Sword for no reason at all
- suppose South Kaioshin was equal or stronger than Pure Boo even though there's not even a single hint.
Actually, you're making an assumption based on... nothing.

3) You're acting as if the fact that Goku was relieved when Boo reverted back to his pure form proves his power decreased. But it doesn't make sense for Goku to not tell that Boo's power decreased if he noticed it, especially when Vegeta is judging by size. I remind you that this is always mentioned when there is a power variation of a character in the story. So, considering there is no "Phew ! His ki has decreased !", it seems obvious that Boo's power hasn't changed and that Goku judged him by his size. Oh, and here is another clue implying that Goku was judging by size at this point in the story :

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P8.7
Context: Boo forms a big ki blast
Goku: “It-it’s huge…! You’ve got to be kidding…! Do-does he intend to unleash that…!? …We can’t knock back something like that…!”

Gotenks and Gohan already had their chances and screwed it up. Odds are they would get themselves absorbed again or something if Boo were to find himself at a disadvantage to them. Any plan that's carried out by Goku and Vegeta would be more reliable than bringing in Gohan or Gotenks.

Goku was willing to let Gohan kill Boo when Bootenks turned into Boocolo. And later, Goku didn't seem to think of the possibility to be absorbed because :
- He himself fought Pure Boo without being afraid to be absorbed.
- He said at the end of the battle against Boo that if an evil Boo reborn from the good Boo, they can just fight again.

Same reason they don't form Vegetto again (or form Gogeta) even though he's indisputably stronger than Kid Buu.

They don't fuse because Vegeta stubbornly prefers dying rather than fusing.

Or they had the same amount of power up until Piccolo Daimao appeared in front of them. It's a good argument to make, but it doesn't really prove that courage doesn't add to strength.

He only talked about a difference in reaction, in behavior. He stated at the beginning of the sentence that both have the same amount of power, and then he didn't contradict himself, so the conclusion is that courage doesn't change the amount of power.

You're making assertions that in no way can be backed up. Unless the author states so, anything a character said has to be judged to be truthful, because it's a work of fiction. Nothing can be justified as a lie, unless it's been stated. That is a fact. Or we can say that Kaioshin was lying about Pure Buu being the most dangerous and for all we know Good Buu is actually the most dangerous.

They don't form Vegetto because they are confident Goku can defeat him, and BOTH Vegeta and Goku are stubbornly refusing to fuse again.

[Darkprince410]

1) Goku had a valid reason to lie inside Boo, as I explained.

2) You assume South Kaioshin was extremely strong only because you believe Super Boo is stronger than Pure Boo, but there's nothing implying South Kaioshin was stronger than Gohan SS1. So, you have to :
- suppose South Kaioshin didn't try to pull out the Z-Sword for no reason at all
- suppose South Kaioshin was equal or stronger than Pure Boo even though there's not even a single hint.
Actually, you're making an assumption based on... nothing.

3) You're acting as if the fact that Goku was relieved when Boo reverted back to his pure form proves his power decreased. But it doesn't make sense for Goku to not tell that Boo's power decreased if he noticed it, especially when Vegeta is judging by size. I remind you that this is always mentioned when there is a power variation of a character in the story. So, considering there is no "Phew ! His ki has decreased !", it seems obvious that Boo's power hasn't changed and that Goku judged him by his size. Oh, and here is another clue implying that Goku was judging by size at this point in the story :

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P8.7
Context: Boo forms a big ki blast
Goku: “It-it’s huge…! You’ve got to be kidding…! Do-does he intend to unleash that…!? …We can’t knock back something like that…!”

Gotenks and Gohan already had their chances and screwed it up. Odds are they would get themselves absorbed again or something if Boo were to find himself at a disadvantage to them. Any plan that's carried out by Goku and Vegeta would be more reliable than bringing in Gohan or Gotenks.

Goku was willing to let Gohan kill Boo when Bootenks turned into Boocolo. And later, Goku didn't seem to think of the possibility to be absorbed because :
- He himself fought Pure Boo without being afraid to be absorbed.
- He said at the end of the battle against Boo that if an evil Boo reborn from the good Boo, they can just fight again.

Same reason they don't form Vegetto again (or form Gogeta) even though he's indisputably stronger than Kid Buu.

They don't fuse because Vegeta stubbornly prefers dying rather than fusing.

Or they had the same amount of power up until Piccolo Daimao appeared in front of them. It's a good argument to make, but it doesn't really prove that courage doesn't add to strength.

He only talked about a difference in reaction, in behavior. He stated at the beginning of the sentence that both have the same amount of power, and then he didn't contradict himself, so the conclusion is that courage doesn't change the amount of power.

1) But he didn't have a valid reason to lie to Vegeta though. He doesn't like the idea of fusing and certainly wouldn't want to permanently fuse with Vegeta if there was any way of defeating Evil Buu on his own.

2) Outside of Dai Kaioushin, Buu has never shown any reason to absorb someone unless it gave him some kind of tactical advantage, or he needed to as there was no alternative to winning. He "absorbed" Mr. Buu because he knew he'd get stronger, he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo because he knew he couldn't beat Gohan on his own, he absorbed Gohan after Gotenks' fusion wore off, and tried absorbing Vegetto when the latter gave him no other option to win. If you go by everything we've seen, as far as Buu's behavior, for him to have absorbed South Kaioushin (especially after outright killing West and North) suggests that South was strong enough that he felt he had no alternative, and, while filler, the anime does support this to a degree (making this a point to Amuro, since he's mentioned in the past that he feels the anime was what the story was "meant" to be).

3) That would be a complete break in his established character over the entire course of Dragonball and Z up to that point. He's never approached a fighter and judged their capabilities purely on their physical appearance, and the dialogue he says when they witness him revert into Pure Buu indicates the drop in power and not just the appearance. Remember, when they were removing cocoons within Buu, Goku comments that Buu's power has decreased considerably, and that they're "Almost there" in terms of weakening him to a point where they can beat him. Then, when they're outside and Buu reverts to Pure Buu, he exclaims "We did it!" As I've pointed out before, that "We did it!" has to be a follow up to the "Almost there" statement he made when it came to weakening Buu. Evil Buu's base form was a step in the right direction but not all the way where they wanted it to be (especially in comparison to Gohan Buu), but Pure Buu was a form that he felt was weak enough for them to take on their own. He says that Pure Buu is finally something they can manage something against, which sounds far more as an indicator of strength than physical appearance.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

This discussion about the battle powers will last until the official power levels of the buu saga will appear. Basically, this can be summarized to: Gohan (ultimate form) vs Goku (SSJ3) and Evil (Super) Buu Vs Vs Pure Buu. As Goku is the main character (and also the most beloved character), many fans will always consider him the strongest at the end of Buu saga.

[Pan-Pan]

After everything Goku and Vegeta have been through, though, shouldn't they know better than to judge someone's strength purely by their physical appearance? I mean, sure, Vegeta only specifically mentions how short Buu's become, but I think they'd both realize by now that you can't always judge a book by its cover. So, when Goku thinks they can handle him now, the reader can somewhat easily infer that he's determined this by gauging Buu's ki, not just his height.

May I ask you some questions ?
- Why didn't Goku mention any power drop whereas it's always the case in the entire manga ? Especially when it's supposed to be the source of his relief.
- Why is Goku judging Boo's ball on its size, right after ?

The "we can take him now" line IS evidence of his power having decreased.

Only from your point of view. Just as the fact they didn't bring Gohan to beat Pure Boo IS evidence of him being unable to defeat Pure Boo, from my point of view.

Nothing can be justified as a lie, unless it's been stated.

And Goku's line has been contradicted.

Or we can say that Kaioshin was lying about Pure Buu being the most dangerous and for all we know Good Buu is actually the most dangerous.

No, because nothing contradicts his statement, and he has no reason to lie. You need these two things to justify that it's a lie.

1) But he didn't have a valid reason to lie to Vegeta though. He doesn't like the idea of fusing and certainly wouldn't want to permanently fuse with Vegeta if there was any way of defeating Evil Buu on his own.

Vegeta refused to fuse permanently, but at this point, Goku didn't know that he didn't want to fuse temporarily either. When Goku tells his lie, he has not yet proposed to merge with the fusion dance. And Vegeta certainly wouldn't have agreed if he knew Goku was able to defeat Evil Boo without fusing. That's why he lied. To persuade Vegeta.

2) Outside of Dai Kaioushin, Buu has never shown any reason to absorb someone unless it gave him some kind of tactical advantage, or he needed to as there was no alternative to winning.

You gave yourself an exception. Anyway, you can't use Evil Boo as an example since he doesn't have the same way of thinking as Pure Boo. And I say it again, absolutely nothing in Kaioshin's speech suggests that Boo was in trouble.

Remember, when they were removing cocoons within Buu, Goku comments that Buu's power has decreased considerably, and that they're "Almost there" in terms of weakening him to a point where they can beat him. Then, when they're outside and Buu reverts to Pure Buu, he exclaims "We did it!" As I've pointed out before, that "We did it!" has to be a follow up to the "Almost there" statement he made when it came to weakening Buu.

I don't have to look so far. He's simply replying to Vegeta's line "Look ! He’s shrunk down quite a bit !" which is in the same panel.

[Draken]

I hate dealing with quotes, so sorry .

How is the "we can deal with him now" only from his point of view? It's so clear and evident. Goku, afraid to take on Gohan Buu and would only do so under the power of fusion. Fact. Goku, still scared to take on Super Buu after drastically lowering his power, because he was still too strong. Fact. Super Buu transforms twice. The first one was stated to raise his power. The second one was directly stated to reduce his size while implying his ki dropped as well, stated by the quote Kaboom so nicely provided over and over and over again, and Goku says he is now fightable by Goku. Fact.

Also, find us ONE instance in which Buu absorbed someone for the hell of it and it didn't give him any sort of tactical advantage. Gotenks and Piccolo? Wisdom and strength to beat Gohan. Gohan? Strength to beat Gohan (lol) and any possible fusions due to Gotenks splitting apart. Fat Buu? Complete himself and gain full strength.

For Buu to absorb Kaioshin for the lulz and not for strength and advantage would be completely out of character, so we can assume that South Kaioshin was strong and he needed to absorb him for a clear victory.

However, while I am debating your points, I would at the same time like to thank you for this fun debate . And actually presenting your viewpoints in a mature and calm manner, unlike some people *cough*.