Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[rereboy]

According to Rentrak (a Box Office tracking site who Box Office Mojo use for their numbers) Battle of Gods made $4.4 million on it's second weekend and has made $18.7 million in total.

That's a very good amount. Unfortunately the yen is weak right now and had the movie come out when Film Z did that $18.7 million would have translated to over $21 million. It should easily pass 3 billion yen mark that Toei was hoping for.

Hmm I don't know how this movie revenue stuff works but isn't that too low? Or am I thinking wrong and 3 billion yen equals around $30 million?

3,000,000,000.00 JPY = 30,268,731.01 USD

[mikey41]

I'll join this discussion of Gohan's SSj2 transformation for a bit, because this really caught my attention.
When Gohan was about to leave with Kaioshin to stop the re-birth of Majin Buu, leaving his father and Vegeta to fight, didn't Goku remind Gohan to get angry? that when he's angry he was unstoppable? I seem to remember Goku telling Gohan something along those lines.
So it's really interesting because yes, he turned SSj2 in the tournament when he got furious during Videl's beat-down, and then during his fight against Kibito, which happened more or less, immediately after. Much later he fights Dabura when he's no longer angry, and Goku and Vegeta discuss how he's gotten weaker, and then, afterwards, Goku reminds Gohan to get angry. It really seems like Gohan never managed to completely master the SSj2 state. Looking back on it, it feels like he could only reach that form only when he was angry enough.
Now I can see that Gohan really had dormant power left, since the only way he could access it was with the SSj transformations, but he only had complete control over the first form. The old Kaioshin simply gave him easy access to that hidden power.
Of course, there's a lot of guesswork in here, and the Daizenshuu may contradict all of this, but the Daizenshuu have been proven to have incorrect information before, so I wouldn't trust it 100%. Anyways, for the sake of discussion, why don't we leave the guides out of this and just concentrate on the manga. Of course, in the original Japanese manga, Goku may not have reminded his son to get angry, at least not in those exact words. But still, I think this topic deserves a thread of his own, if there isn't one already, since it's a very interesting thought and worthy of discussion, in my opinion....

Good point, i just think he told Gohan that because hes simply just stronger when hes angry and would be a stronger SSJ2.

[Chuquita]

*Reads this from the Kanzenshuu BOG page*

The setting this time is after the “Buu arc”, but between when we did the “Buu arc” in the anime and now, Toriyama-sensei‘s [artistic] touch has changed, don’t you think? I thought about which of those I should make it closer to. As for “Super Saiyan God”, the design I came out with at first was completely different. It was more muscular, and the hairstyle was about in-between “Super Saiyan 3″ and “[Super Saiyan] 4″. But Sensei‘s [mental] image was the sense that it wouldn’t look strong at first glance, so it gained its present form.
— Tadayoshi Yamamuro, Battle of Gods Theatrical Program

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/movie/battle-of-gods/

You guys; a huge chunk of that fan-art of ssjg from before they revealed what the form actually looks like; they would've been right! O_O

I need to listen to that podcast episode later today.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I found it quite surprising that Yamamuro was going to go with that, but I'm actually glad Toriyama didn't accept it.

[Chuquita]

I found it quite surprising that Yamamuro was going to go with that, but I'm actually glad Toriyama didn't accept it.

I'm happy he didn't accept it either. TuT
What finally resulted as Goku's official ssjg form is now my favorite power-up for him. (It's also my favorite one to draw.)

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Sometimes you should not listen to an author. Something likes this ruined SSJ God because of Toriyama. SSJ God looks like it's something to sneeze at.

[Draken]

Sometimes you should not listen to an author. Something likes this ruined SSJ God because of Toriyama. It's not cool at all.

You preferred the disgustingly flashy hairy and just downright look like they were created by a 7 year olds' imagination incarnation of SSG? Cause most of them are just plain ridiculous.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Sometimes you should not listen to an author. Something likes this ruined SSJ God because of Toriyama. It's not cool at all.

You preferred the disgustingly flashy hairy and just downright look like they were created by a 7 year olds' imagination incarnation of SSG? Cause most of them are just plain ridiculous.

How would you know? Toei does make some of the best concepts of SSJ. The same Toei who designed SSJ4.

[VegettoEX]

By "Toei", you mean Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, who is an accomplished character designer in his own right.

These early Super Saiyan God ideas were by Tadayoshi Yamamuro, who I think of more as a straight-up animator and artist than a "designer".

[JulieYBM]

who I think of more as a straight-up animator and artist than a "designer".

Why would you say that? Yamamuro's been the character designer of the films ever since the eighth Dragon Ball Z film.

[NeoKING]

*Reads this from the Kanzenshuu BOG page*

The setting this time is after the “Buu arc”, but between when we did the “Buu arc” in the anime and now, Toriyama-sensei‘s [artistic] touch has changed, don’t you think? I thought about which of those I should make it closer to. As for “Super Saiyan God”, the design I came out with at first was completely different. It was more muscular, and the hairstyle was about in-between “Super Saiyan 3″ and “[Super Saiyan] 4″. But Sensei‘s [mental] image was the sense that it wouldn’t look strong at first glance, so it gained its present form.
— Tadayoshi Yamamuro, Battle of Gods Theatrical Program

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/movie/battle-of-gods/

You guys; a huge chunk of that fan-art of ssjg from before they revealed what the form actually looks like; they would've been right! O_O

I need to listen to that podcast episode later today.

I think what's more interesting is the fact that they even took SSJ4's design into consideration for an "in-between look [of SSJ3 and SSJ4]" rather than just "a look that would take SSJ3 a step further."

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Exactly. If they had rejected Toriyama's idea, the concept of SSJ God would had been closer to GT. I certainly hope in the future the films or series would eventually be in harmony with GT.

[VegettoEX]

who I think of more as a straight-up animator and artist than a "designer".

Why would you say that? Yamamuro's been the character designer of the films ever since the eighth Dragon Ball Z film.

And none of them are my favorites! Nakatsuru gets my jive self all fluffy. Or something.

[Draken]

Exactly. If they had rejected Toriyama's idea, the concept of SSJ God would had been closer to GT. I certainly hope in the future the films or series would eventually be in harmony with GT.

Why? GT has already been classified as a side story and has nothing to do with the main timeline. Furthermore, describing the old SSG as an in between of SSJ3 and SSJ4 is IMO just how they're describing how it looked when they finished and probably wasn't done with SSJ4 in mind.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I hate it when someone says GT is a side story and that it has nothing to do with the main story. No, just because of a few plotholes it shouldn't be classified as a side story. GT is still a part of main timeline. Call it in another universe if you want to. Just don't call it side story.

[VegettoEX]

Toriyama literally used the English words "side story" when he described it.

I also agree that it's part of "a timeline" and fits when and where you want it to fit, but I also won't jump all over someone else's case if they want to call it a "side story", 'cuz technically it, "Dragon Ball Online", and "Neko Majin Z" are all side stories to each other.

Actually, that's not even accurate. They all take place aside each other, but a "side story" generally just refers to "another story that takes place and does or does not even have to fit with anything". Look at things like Final Fantasy Gaiden (the first Seiken Densetsu game).

[Ryuman]

I hate it when someone says GT is a side story and that it has nothing to do with the main story. No, just because of a few plotholes it shouldn't be classified as a side story. GT is still a part of main timeline. Call it in another universe if you want to. Just don't call it side story.

Not that I want to get pulled into an argument about GT, but wouldn't calling it an alternate universe be the same as saying it was a side story (or even further removed) and not have it as part of the 'Main Timeline', like you say?

Anyway, I enjoy Super Saiyan God as it is. t doesn't look powerful and threatening, but really, that's the point. I think the idea of a simple transformation holding such immense 'Godly' power is great. Toriyama really knew what he was doing. Like what was hinted with Super Saiyan 4, this form is likely not part of the main branch of Super Saiyan transformations (AKA, the Blondies) that we know. I think anything moving up from Super Saiyan 3 would be silly, especially if it were really bulky. I do however find the concept of a special outfit neat and wish they could've incorporated something like that into the final design, even if it were to be a brief costume change until Gokuu gets beaten down to the classic torn version of the Gi we know and love. I still hope the old SSG concepts do show up at some point or another, just to see what could have been.

[Herms]

Toriyama said it was a side-story, so...

I like GT well enough, but I don't think it would have been a very good idea for them to have gone down the "basically the same as SSj4 but not quite" route for Super Saiyan God, and in general I don't think they should do anything purely to tie into GT and for no other reason. They should decide to do things based on whether or not it leads to a good movie, not whether or not it leads to a movie that fits in well with GT.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Exactly. If they had rejected Toriyama's idea, the concept of SSJ God would had been closer to GT. I certainly hope in the future the films or series would eventually be in harmony with GT.

See I'm the opposite, I hope that they replace GT with something that Toriyama plays a huge part in creating. Oh well, who knows what they'll do.

[Draken]

I hate it when someone says GT is a side story and that it has nothing to do with the main story. No, just because of a few plotholes it shouldn't be classified as a side story. GT is still a part of main timeline. Call it in another universe if you want to. Just don't call it side story.

So you hate Toriyama, since he himself is the one who called it a side story? . It's fact, GT is a side story.