How come they didn't bring Gohan to fight Kid Buu?

[Amuro Ray]

Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

Power loss is explicitly stating to reduce Buu's power, mean he would be come stronger with the removal of the Kai. No one debates this - so why are we arguing if a Buff+Dai Kaioshinn Buu is stronger than a Pure evil one?

And Vegeta was obviously aware of Gohan and the boys - Gohan was absorbed minutes before he reached Earth, he was at the check in station while Gohan was fighting Buu. If Gohan was on SSJ3 level, Vegeta would have surely sensed him.

[Hitiro]

Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

Power loss is explicitly stating to reduce Buu's power, mean he would be come stronger with the removal of the Kai. No one debates this - so why are we arguing if a Buff+Dai Kaioshinn Buu is stronger than a Pure evil one?

And Vegeta was obviously aware of Gohan and the boys - Gohan was absorbed minutes before he reached Earth, he was at the check in station while Gohan was fighting Buu. If Gohan was on SSJ3 level, Vegeta would have surely sensed him.

Again, we can't rely on this quote that much because we have no idea if it is referring to both the Kai's or one of them. What we do know is that when Evil Boo transitioned into the Buff Boo form Goku indicated his power had increased. After that he changed into Pure Boo. No comment was mentioned about his power either increasing or decreasing. If the South Kaioshin was lowering his power also I think Vegeta and Goku would have taken note and said that his power is increasing even more after he started to change from Buff Boo to Pure Boo. Regardless the only information we can go off is that Goku says "We did it! This way we can manage something!" your argument is implying that Goku and Vegeta, who up until now were keeping track of Boo's power as Goku mentions it increasing when he becomes Buff Boo, stopped keeping track of Boo's powerlevel and based whether they could beat him off of size. This is pretty illogical if you ask me. Neither Goku nor Vegeta are stupid enough to base how a battle will go based on their enemies size. While Vegeta does say he has shrunk in size this was only a jest, he was mocking Boo.

There is a stark and contrast difference in their reactions between Boo's ki increasing when he became Buff Boo to when he turned into Pure Boo. You can see genuine concern on Goku and Vegeta's faces in the panel where Goku says "Isn't his ki getting bigger?" As opposed to when he turns in to Pure Boo where both Goku and Vegeta are smiling. I don't think if Pure Boo maintained the power increase he had when he was the Buff Boo Goku and Vegeta would be smiling at that point. Goku also showed concern when they were going to leave Evil Boo when he told Vegeta there is no way they can win without Fusion or the boys. So these actions and comments provide a firm argument against your Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory. There is just no reason to believe that up until moments before Goku and Vegeta decided to stop sensing Boo's ki when he was changing into Pure Boo. Characters can't switch that sort of thing off, in fact, its more of a radar which is constantly on and detecting the changes in their environment. That is why characters like Gohan and Kaioshin all of a sudden stop what they are doing to notice Goku's SSJ3 ki for instance. They had no focus on such a thing to notice it. It just happened.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that the only way for Evil Boo > Pure Boo & SS3 Goku > U. Gohan is to assume that Goku was lying to Vegeta so that he would not hurt his pride by showing his true power as a Super Saiyan 3. If that was the case, then S. Kaioshin Boo kept getting stronger when he reverted to Pure Boo, but Goku & Vegeta got distracted from his size and underestimated him. This would mean that Goku was several times stronger than Innocent Boo, and that S. Kaioshin weakened Boo.

Of course, there is no evidence for this, but it also doesn't get contradicted in the manga. So, if someone was to chose that he believes this shouldn't be arguing about this, since it's open to interpretation.

[Saiga]

I think that the only way for Evil Boo > Pure Boo & SS3 Goku > U. Gohan is to assume that Goku was lying to Vegeta so that he would not hurt his pride by showing his true power as a Super Saiyan 3. If that was the case, then S. Kaioshin Boo kept getting stronger when he reverted to Pure Boo, but Goku & Vegeta got distracted from his size and underestimated him. This would mean that Goku was several times stronger than Innocent Boo, and that S. Kaioshin weakened Boo.

Of course, there is no evidence for this, but it also doesn't get contradicted in the manga. So, if someone was to chose that he believes this shouldn't be arguing about this, since it's open to interpretation.

This would have to mean that Goku would rather fuse with Vegeta permanently to keep up his lie than hurt his pride, though.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This would have to mean that Goku would rather fuse with Vegeta permanently to keep up his lie than hurt his pride, though.

Didn't he suggested Fusion for Evil Boo?

[Saiga]

This would have to mean that Goku would rather fuse with Vegeta permanently to keep up his lie than hurt his pride, though.

Didn't he suggested Fusion for Evil Boo?

He was disappointed when Vegeta crushed the Potara, but that could have been an act I guess. And when Vegeta refused to fuse anyway, their doesn't seem much reason to keep on lying.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's not like I believe in all these, but all these are possible, but can't be proved or disproved in the manga.

[rereboy]

I think that the only way for Evil Boo > Pure Boo & SS3 Goku > U. Gohan is to assume that Goku was lying to Vegeta so that he would not hurt his pride by showing his true power as a Super Saiyan 3. If that was the case, then S. Kaioshin Boo kept getting stronger when he reverted to Pure Boo, but Goku & Vegeta got distracted from his size and underestimated him. This would mean that Goku was several times stronger than Innocent Boo, and that S. Kaioshin weakened Boo.

Of course, there is no evidence for this, but it also doesn't get contradicted in the manga. So, if someone was to chose that he believes this shouldn't be arguing about this, since it's open to interpretation.

Goku and Vegeta agreed that they could handle Kid Buu and that opinion didn't change, and they expressed way more relief and confidence agaisnt Kid Buu than the other Buus. So, they both would have to be lying, not just Goku, for Kid Buu to be actually stronger than Buff Buu and Super Buu (and that doesn't make any sense).

[AnimeMaakuo]

Intended Endings Guide Possible Ending #7: Majin Buu

Interviewer: And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role?

Akira Toriyama: I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.


- http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/majin-buu/

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Intended Endings Guide Possible Ending #7: Majin Buu

Interviewer: And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role?

Akira Toriyama: I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.


- http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/majin-buu/

So?

[AnimeMaakuo]

Intended Endings Guide Possible Ending #7: Majin Buu

Interviewer: And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role?

Akira Toriyama: I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.


- http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/majin-buu/

So?

That's why they didn't bring Gohan back. I just answered a simple question. You're welcome.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's why they didn't bring Gohan back. I just answered a simple question. You're welcome.

Ah OK, I forgot that this topic isn't only a "who is stronger" topic.

[Pan-Pan]

rereboy --> Vegeta just doesn't know Pure Boo is stronger.

[Kamiccolo9]

rereboy --> Vegeta just doesn't know Pure Boo is stronger.

Why wouldn't he? Vegeta's been sensing ki for years. It's not like he's suddenly going to forget how.

[Pan-Pan]

I know the idea that someone can judge an opponent on his appearance is unimaginable for you, even though there are instances in the manga. So, regardless of that, I'd say that Pure Boo may have suppressed his ki, anyway.

[Kamiccolo9]

I know the idea that someone can judge an opponent on his appearance is unimaginable for you, even though there are instances in the manga. So, regardless of that, I'd say that Pure Boo may have suppressed his ki, anyway.

Except that they were just sensing his ki a couple of seconds ago when he was all bulked up. Why would they have stopped?
And it was suppressed at first. Goku admits that Buu was stronger than he thought after fighting him. But he still believes that he can beat him.
The only time I can remember from the manga about a fighter judging an opponent on size, is Krillin saying that Freeza's true form was "less tall and less frightening." Vegeta did say that Cell's final form wasn't very impressive, but he was suppressing his power at that point. He could have been suppressing it to a point where it was not very much stronger than his semi-perfect form.
So, all I see here is Krillin's quote, which is justifiable seeing how over the top Freeza's third form was. Also, Krillin's BP was 75,000. Freeza's third form was 1,000,000+, and his true form, after first transforming, was 3,000,000 (ish). Both were at least over 10x stronger than him, so I doubt he could really comprehend much of a difference between one godlike power, and another godlike power that happened to be somewhat stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I know the idea that someone can judge an opponent on his appearance is unimaginable for you, even though there are instances in the manga. So, regardless of that, I'd say that Pure Boo may have suppressed his ki, anyway.

I agree that Goku & Vegeta misjudged Pure Boo from his size. In fact, they said it themselves that they underestimated him. However, their confidence that SS3 Goku would be able to defeat Pure Boo never changed, like it never changed when Goku believed that he & Vegeta didn't stand a chance against Evil Boo, which means that SS3 Goku & SS2 Vegeta together would be weaker than Evil Boo.

[Kaboom]

I have to agree that the notion of Goku and Vegeta just instantly forgetting everything they've learned about ki-sensing and judging their enemies, to the point where they suddenly think they can take Pure Boo just because he's physically smaller... is completely asinine. There's no basis for that and no reasonable way to explain the characters suddenly becoming that boneheaded. You can't even write it off as just a setup to a gag like some things with Gotenks.

Like it or not, that "we can take him now" line is and only is evidence towards Pure Boo now being weaker than before. There's no way to twist it into supporting anything else that doesn't come off as super-obvious and illogical stretching.

[rereboy]

rereboy --> Vegeta just doesn't know Pure Boo is stronger.

So your explanation is that somehow Vegeta suddenly forgot how to sense energy or somehow started to do it wrong while Goku continued to do it right. OK...

I know the idea that someone can judge an opponent on his appearance is unimaginable for you, even though there are instances in the manga. So, regardless of that, I'd say that Pure Boo may have suppressed his ki, anyway.

Oh, or that Vegeta somehow forgot how powerful Freeza was despite his size, and suddenly he would underestimate a small opponent, totally forgetting to actually sense his power, not only for a moment, but for the whole entire fight with him since Vegeta's opinion never changed even as they fought him. .

[Amuro Ray]

I have to agree that the notion of Goku and Vegeta just instantly forgetting everything they've learned about ki-sensing and judging their enemies, to the point where they suddenly think they can take Pure Boo just because he's physically smaller... is completely asinine. There's no basis for that and no reasonable way to explain the characters suddenly becoming that boneheaded. You can't even write it off as just a setup to a gag like some things with Gotenks.

Like it or not, that "we can take him now" line is and only is evidence towards Pure Boo now being weaker than before. There's no way to twist it into supporting anything else that doesn't come off as super-obvious and illogical stretching.

The why would Vegeta us "we" assuming that he was weaker than Even the f=FatBuu was. Actually, Vegeta was confident at the Idea of fighting Superbuu before Goku corrected him. Vegeta, having seen SSJ3 in the afterlife is confident that Goku can beat Buu - in essentially any form.