The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Yes, thank you very much!

I don't like it because it seems to sugarcoat the whole thing (if that's the right term).

I agree. The Saiyans were evil, how hard is that to accept?

I have a theory that Frieza most likely turned them evil.

[MarCas92]

Wow! Over 200 posts. Didn't expect to get this much. A few more things to add:

Look at the spam on Funimations wall asking for a dub. That is truly the best way for me to describe the American fan base: Annoying and uninformed.

Also, does anyone feel that American fans who complain about the Japanese voices as gay or annoying have any valid arguments whatsoever? I don't.

[samuraix123]

Wow! Over 200 posts. Didn't expect to get this much. A few more things to add:

Look at the spam on Funimations wall asking for a dub. That is truly the best way for me to describe the American fan base: Annoying and uninformed.

Also, does anyone feel that American fans who complain about the Japanese voices as gay or annoying have any valid arguments whatsoever? I don't.

Again! generalizing much? all of the american fan base isn't annoying and uninformed. How is it that someone asking questions about Dragonball is annoying? Most people aren't as informed as we are here at Kanzenshuu. and people that complain about the Japanese voice actors may just not like them like we do? annoying? indeed.

[Rocketman]

Also, does anyone feel that American fans who complain about the Japanese voices as gay or annoying have any valid arguments whatsoever? I don't.

You have to realize that when they say "the Japanese voices", they mean Nozawa.


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[RandomGuy96]

I have a theory that Freeza most likely turned them evil.

He didn't. The saiyans were always genocidal pricks, Freeza if anything deserves praise for finally killing them off. Do you even remember how they got Planet Vegeta?

[CaBrPi]

^That irritates me. So much.

It's like... it's like those Facebook hoaxes about the super-venomous spiders hiding under toilets. No one actually does their own research anymore. It shouldn't be that hard to find out that Toriyama REALLY didn't want to continue Dragon Ball as long as he did.

[samuraix123]

Things like that aggravates me as well. I just don't understand the point in lying like that? they get a kick out of making people believe their lies then the person that finds out it was a lie is now disappointed? just doesn't make sense to me.

[bleed0range]

Things like that aggravates me as well. I just don't understand the point in lying like that? they get a kick out of making people believe their lies then the person that finds out it was a lie is now disappointed? just doesn't make sense to me.

I do not know of another anime where the misinformation is so prevalent. I am informed thanks to this website (and others in the past like it, though none as accurate haha)... but almost every other db fan I've known over the years has told me something they think is fact that they read online or heard from someone else that I know is a flat-out lie. Some believe it with all their heart. I have had a difficult time convincing some of the truth. I'm not sure what it is about it, maybe because it's more difficult to find the answers since they're in Japanese but for whatever reason people choose to believe whatever they WANT to believe and just go with it.

But it still doesn't really answer why someone out there thinks it's so funny to spread lies.

[Hellspawn28]

Stupid hoaxes like that are stupid since you have people believe it in with no proof. It's like the people on Facebook who claim to work on the new Godzilla film and that they seen the design for the film with no proof to back it up. Also guess that the person who made that twitter post forgot that the Akira Toriyama is a manga aritst and not a animator. Not to mention he will never do another show will over 200 episodes. It won't surprise me if he does help out on another new series, but I don't see it being over 50 episodes. I don't think AT wants to go through the same stress that he has over a decade ago.

[Naughty Kinto Un]

The US fanbase should act more like this

I love those!

I wallpaper'd the second to last picture, with the two girls flying. In my head they're Pan and Bra as live action teenagers.

The second picture I'm imagining to be teen Marron walloping an entire girl gang from Orange Star High School.

[VyeRo]

I have a theory that Freeza most likely turned them evil.

He didn't. The saiyans were always genocidal pricks, Freeza if anything deserves praise for finally killing them off. Do you even remember how they got Planet Vegeta?

I don't see how Freeza deserves praise? Didn't he use the Saiyans for his own personal gain? Purging planets for him so he could sell them. Freeza is definitely not the lesser evil here.
Maybe the Saiyans would have kept to themselves more if Freeza hadn't been involved.

[matt0044]

they get a kick out of making people believe their lies then the person that finds out it was a lie is now disappointed? just doesn't make sense to me.

One word: Trolls.

I do hate it when Kai haters pull the nostalgia card in their argument. You're free to not like it but that argument really gets to me.

[astarisborn94]

That moment when you realized how unfitting the American music is for DBZ.

That song was that moment for me.

But it seems to REALLY stick out in the DB fandom.

You have not seen true division until you have seen the Super Smash Bros. fanbase. The division within the community is an act of horror. Anyone who hasn't been involved in the fan base should consider themselves lucky.

[Ringworm128]

That song was that moment for me.

But it seems to REALLY stick out in the DB fandom.

You have not seen true division until you have seen the Super Smash Bros. fanbase. The division within the community is an act of horror. Anyone who hasn't been involved in the fan base should consider themselves lucky.

I'm actually fairly invested in the Smash Bros community and all I've ever seen is your standard Brawl vs Melee arguments and most of the ones I've seen are more civil then what occurs in the DB fandom.

[astarisborn94]

That song was that moment for me.

But it seems to REALLY stick out in the DB fandom.

You have not seen true division until you have seen the Super Smash Bros. fanbase. The division within the community is an act of horror. Anyone who hasn't been involved in the fan base should consider themselves lucky.

I'm actually fairly invested in the Smash Bros community and all I've ever seen is your standard Brawl vs Melee arguments and most of the ones I've seen are more civil then what occurs in the DB fandom.

I'm also part of the Smash Bros. community thought not a competitive player. Currently discussing SSB4 and there are some nasty arguments that occur on Smashboards and things gets worse on GameFAQs (and this is pre-E3. Pre-Brawl after E3 2006 was even worse).

Okay, perhaps "act of horror" was an understatement, but things get really bad within Smash 4 discussions. But I think I've said enough on this topic for now.

[Zephyr]

Also, does anyone feel that American fans who complain about the Japanese voices as gay or annoying have any valid arguments whatsoever? I don't.

You have to realize that when they say "the Japanese voices", they mean Nozawa.


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I understand the criticism of Nozawa, but that's still a pretty shitty cop out generalization for the entire Japanese voice cast that I see all too often.

[Payne222]

All I get out of this thread is "Bitch, bitch, bitch, moan, moan, moan. I like Japanese voices and not dubs."
Not to mention, anime isn't as much of an integrated part of our society as it is in Japan, so the acceptance of it is really different.

The best thing that could be universally agreed on is "Ignorant fans really annoy me".

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

There's a fun side to it, too; been going through the Z Movies with several friends who have seen few to none of them yet are decent fans (That's not a treat you get to have every day!), and the commentary is great. The anatomy (Vegeta's thighs, the fact that Broly shouldn't be able to move with the amount of muscle he has), pointing out when having senzu beans on hand would fix most of their problems, just the reactions. All from people who aren't in the meta-fandom. But then none of them are trolls about sticking to misinformation, either.

The US fanbase should act more like this

B-U-T-FULL.

I'm actually fairly invested in the Smash Bros community and all I've ever seen is your standard Brawl vs Melee arguments and most of the ones I've seen are more civil then what occurs in the DB fandom.

Where do you read these arguments, though? Can't have much of a debate with the folks who think wavedashing is the problem because they haven't played Melee in forever and don't realize it's the physics.

That moment when you realized how unfitting the American music is for DBZ.

That song was that moment for me.

But it seems to REALLY stick out in the DB fandom.

How many Kikuchi pieces could place over that video to a similarly disjointed effect? There's ruining tone, and then there's just placement.

[matt0044]

I like Japanese voices and not dubs."

Some of us here like the dub despite its foibles.

[Sshadow5001]

I gotta admit I have a hard time watching Dragonball dubbed now. I don't have any problems with most dubs but since Dragonball is a big deal for me and I like knowing if I watch it, I'll be getting exactly what's being said without any made up stuff they decide to throw in (instant transmission is 186.000 mps, Vegeta is upset that Freeza took him away from his daddy, Ally to good etc)

I can however watch Dragonball Z Abridged no problem because I don't take it seriously.