Fat Boo and Super Boo Differences!

[rereboy]

ALL forms of Buu became weaker from the absorption of Dai Kaioshinn, there is nothing stated anywhere to imply otherwise. Actually, the statement about Buu being weakened and Changed was referenced twice. Once by SuperBuu when Vegeta threatened the removal of the FatBuu ("I'll cease to exist"), and again when Buu is transforming, Kibito talks about how Buu (who at this point is still Superbuu) was weakend by Dai-Kaio. No matter what, all Forms of Buu were effected by his presence.

Again, why would Buu absorb Dai Kaioshinn if the previous Kaio was noteably stronger and "buffed" his power?

Nothing you stated on your first paragraph makes much sense or contradicts what I stated.

As for why he would absorb him, its unknown, but there are lots of possibilities. Maybe Dai Kaioshin had abilities or techniques that impressed Buu... Maybe after absorbing South Kaioshin, who was the first being he ever absorbed, he kind of liked it and wanted to try it again... Maybe he thought that absorbing him would make him stronger, even if not by much... Take your pick.

Then why would he not just absorb all of the Kai's or everyone?

South Kaioshin was the first being he absorbed. Meaning it was something he had never done before and probably never even tried. He certainly didn't feel the need to do it or thought about it before facing South Kaioshin. And after him he tried again immediately. But as we know that absorption wasn't very beneficial from his point of view.

If Buu put that much thought into it, I'd wonder why he'd try absorbing another Kaioshin if the last one only made him weaker. Kind of a dumb move.

Exactly.

[Amuro Ray]

Because the only people we know he fought were the Kaioshins. He killed the first 2, and absorbed the 3rd. After absorbing the South Kaioshin, he absorbed Dai Kaioshin, he and became Fat Buu. Fat Buu was way more manageable than Pure or Buff Buu, and only did what Bibidi told him, which must not have included absorbing people.

But why absorb the last Kai at all?

Do you mean the South Kaioshin, or Dai Kaioshin?
If you mean the South Kaioshin, then it could be because unlike the others, he was able to put up a fight. I know it's filler, but the anime supports this, and there's nothing to contradict it.
If you meant Dai Kaioshin, then I think this has been answered numerous times already. If the last Kaioshin he absorbed made him stronger, then Buu has every reason to assume that this one would as well.

But why? He was already stated to be stronger than the Kais, and if the absorbtion added power (which of course I doubt) Why would he need to abosrb another Kai (who was admittedly weaker)? It just doesn't make sense on any level. The only answer I can conjure is Buu aborbed them because he's Buu - but his mistake was aborbing Dai kiaoshinn who actually weakend him through his good nature.

[Kamiccolo9]

He wouldn't need to, but why wouldn't he? He knew the last one made him stronger, so why not absorb this one too?

[Amuro Ray]

He wouldn't need to, but why wouldn't he? He knew the last one made him stronger, so why not absorb this one too?

So why didn't he absorb all of them?

[Kamiccolo9]

He wouldn't need to, but why wouldn't he? He knew the last one made him stronger, so why not absorb this one too?

So why didn't he absorb all of them?

Maybe he didn't know that he could until he absorbed the South Kaioshin?
Or maybe the South Kaioshin was the first to push him to that point?
Maybe he didn't feel like it?
Maybe he just enjoyed killing people?
There's lots of reasons for why he didn't absorb the first 2. I feel like we've been here before...

[Hitiro]

So why didn't he absorb all of them?

Because the other two didn't make Pure Boo desperate enough to absorb? The South Kaioshin was the strongest of all the Kaioshin and so he must have been strong enough to make Pure Boo desperate enough to absorb him rather than try and kill him. It might have been a self defence mechanism that triggered when Pure Boo was in a desperate enough state due to the South Kaioshin actually being able to put up a good fight and from that point on he realised he had the power to absorb. Or Pure Boo knew he could absorb but never really needed to because he was so powerful that nobody offered him a challenge until the South Kaioshin came along. When Pure Boo absorbed the South Kaioshin he gained a good chunk of power which conditionally trained him to think absorbing equals a reward which is probably why he thought that absorbing people is easier and more beneficial than killing them. What Pure Boo didn't count on is Dai Kaioshin's purity weakening him and sealing away his power as well the South Kaioshins.

It just seems the most logical reason to be honest. Otherwise, what would be his reason for absorbing South Kaioshin?

[Kaboom]

Yeah, crazy li'l Pure Boo is the type to act more on instinct rather than any sort of logic. He beats two Kaioshin easily. The third Kaioshin gives him a serious run for his money, so he follows instinct and absorbs him as a last-resort defense mechanism. Then Boo starts to associate absorbing people with gaining power, and likely absorbs the next Kaioshin he fights just because of that. But things backfire this time and Boo is radically changed for the worse by absorbing the Grand Kaioshin, undoing the power he gained from the South. That's the simplest explanation I've been able to come up with.

[Pan-Pan]

What's wrong with that? I mean, how's the sealing spell being incompatible with Kaioshin ki any different from Buu himself being incompatible with Kaioshin ki? I don't think there are any strong hints either way, personally.

The problem is that there is no reason for Kaioshin's ki being incompatible with the sealing spell but being compatible to increase Boo's strength. I don't say it's impossible, just that it's strange and we don't know why.
You see, in my theory, Boo is simply allergic to Kaioshins in general, perhaps because Boo is evil by nature and Kaioshins are good. That's why Kaioshin's energy can't be used for Boo, the potala fusion doesn't work in Boo's body, and the Kaioshin have some weird effect when absorbed by Boo. Everything comes together, all is clear.
However, if you think South Kaioshin was benefic to Boo, you have to explain why it worked in this case and not in the others. You have to find a reason why Kaioshin's energy can't be used to revive Boo but can be used as an absorption, why potala fusion doesn't work but fusion dance work...

He's terrified of Kid Buu because he is the same Buu that decimated all of his fellow Kaioshins. I would expect that to leave an impression on him. And, as he immediately explains, this is the most evil and troublesome Buu due to his nature/personality. He never says that he was afraid of him because he was more powerful than the other Buus (and that would be the perfect moment to state that, if it was actually the case. But Instead he merely mentions his nature and personality. I wonder why ).

Buff Boo also absorbed Dai Kaioshin, the last hope, it was shocking too, I guess... Seriously, if Buff Boo is stronger, I don't understand why Kaioshin is terrified of Pure Boo and not of Buff Boo, since they're the same person. Didn't you say a character can't judge on appearance ? And if Buff Boo is just stronger, then isn't he the most troublesome ? And Kaioshin didn't say Pure Boo was weaker. "The heart which he gained...blabla...lower his power...has returned to normal..." Why say that Boo lost his penalty and not to mention that Boo also lost his bonus so in the end he's weaker ? According to Kaioshin, Pure Boo is worse. But if Buff Boo is stronger, and since he doesn't have the kind and gentle influence of Dai Kaioshin, he should be the one most dangerous.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't understand why Kaioshin is terrified of Pure Boo and not of Buff Boo

Because the transformation from S. Kaioshin Boo to Pure Boo happened immediately.

[Kamiccolo9]

He's terrified of Kid Buu because he is the same Buu that decimated all of his fellow Kaioshins. I would expect that to leave an impression on him. And, as he immediately explains, this is the most evil and troublesome Buu due to his nature/personality. He never says that he was afraid of him because he was more powerful than the other Buus (and that would be the perfect moment to state that, if it was actually the case. But Instead he merely mentions his nature and personality. I wonder why ).

Buff Boo also absorbed Dai Kaioshin, the last hope, it was shocking too, I guess... Seriously, if Buff Boo is stronger, I don't understand why Kaioshin is terrified of Pure Boo and not of Buff Boo, since they're the same person. Didn't you say a character can't judge on appearance ? And if Buff Boo is just stronger, then isn't he the most troublesome ? And Kaioshin didn't say Pure Boo was weaker. "The heart which he gained...blabla...lower his power...has returned to normal..." Why say that Boo lost his penalty and not to mention that Boo also lost his bonus so in the end he's weaker ? According to Kaioshin, Pure Boo is worse. But if Buff Boo is stronger, and since he doesn't have the kind and gentle influence of Dai Kaioshin, he should be the one most dangerous.

Maybe the South Kaioshin did affect his personality. We know that every other absorption did. Maybe it calmed him down some, where he was still uncontrollable, but not as destructive?

What's wrong with that? I mean, how's the sealing spell being incompatible with Kaioshin ki any different from Buu himself being incompatible with Kaioshin ki? I don't think there are any strong hints either way, personally.

The problem is that there is no reason for Kaioshin's ki being incompatible with the sealing spell but being compatible to increase Boo's strength. I don't say it's impossible, just that it's strange and we don't know why.
You see, in my theory, Boo is simply allergic to Kaioshins in general, perhaps because Boo is evil by nature and Kaioshins are good. That's why Kaioshin's energy can't be used for Boo, the potala fusion doesn't work in Boo's body, and the Kaioshin have some weird effect when absorbed by Boo. Everything comes together, all is clear.
However, if you think South Kaioshin was benefic to Boo, you have to explain why it worked in this case and not in the others. You have to find a reason why Kaioshin's energy can't be used to revive Boo but can be used as an absorption, why potala fusion doesn't work but fusion dance work...

Because Buu and the spell are totally different? Buu was an immortal being created to destroy the Kaioshin's (if I remember correctly; I don't have that volume anymore.) It stands to reason that Bibidi would make him able to absorb their power when he created Buu.
For all we know, the sealing spell was first used after Buu absorbed the Kaioshins, and since they seemed to have an unpredictable effect on Buu, Bibidi made the seal to be unable to utilize Kaioshin energy.
As for the Potara fusion, Buu's magic, the fusion is magice, they canceled each other out.
Also, while all Kaioshins are good, only Dai Kaioshin was mentioned to be so pure as to weaken Buu. Gohan is pure of heart as well, but he still strengthened Buu.

[Hitiro]

The problem is that there is no reason for Kaioshin's ki being incompatible with the sealing spell but being compatible to increase Boo's strength. I don't say it's impossible, just that it's strange and we don't know why.
You see, in my theory, Boo is simply allergic to Kaioshins in general, perhaps because Boo is evil by nature and Kaioshins are good. That's why Kaioshin's energy can't be used for Boo, the potala fusion doesn't work in Boo's body, and the Kaioshin have some weird effect when absorbed by Boo. Everything comes together, all is clear.
However, if you think South Kaioshin was benefic to Boo, you have to explain why it worked in this case and not in the others. You have to find a reason why Kaioshin's energy can't be used to revive Boo but can be used as an absorption, why potala fusion doesn't work but fusion dance work...

Magic is a weird thing. All we know by Babidi(? Can't remember who said it.) is that Kaioshin ki, or energy, cannot be used to unseal Boo. It is never mentioned that Kaioshin ki will have any adverse effects on Boo other than his unsealing. You can only make the assumption that Boo is affected by it. You can also make the assumption that Boo isn't affected by it. Its basically a grey area.

We also don't know if the potara fusion would have stayed if Boo successfully managed to absorb Vegetto. All we know is whatever nasty stuff is inside Boo broke down the fusion. That could simply be a defence mechanism of Boo's body as opposed to the Kaioshin fusion not working inside his body. One could argue that if Gotenks prevented himself from being absorbed his fusion would have also been broken down by Boo's body. We simply don't know. All we do know is fusion dance warriors that are successfully absorbed by Boo will retain their fusion dance until their time is up. We also know that potara fusion warriors fusion will be broken down inside Boo if they are not successfully absorbed. We could equally make the assumption that all potara fusion warriors that are successfully absorbed by Boo will retain their fusion. And fusion dance warriors fusion will be broken down inside Boo if they are not successfully absorbed. Its another grey area that we can only use assumptions in. Nobody specifically says its because the Kaioshin fusion is incompatible with Boo that the fusion broke down. Neither did anyone say it isn't because the Kaioshin fusion is incompatible with Boo.

Buff Boo also absorbed Dai Kaioshin, the last hope, it was shocking too, I guess... Seriously, if Buff Boo is stronger, I don't understand why Kaioshin is terrified of Pure Boo and not of Buff Boo, since they're the same person. Didn't you say a character can't judge on appearance ? And if Buff Boo is just stronger, then isn't he the most troublesome ? And Kaioshin didn't say Pure Boo was weaker. "The heart which he gained...blabla...lower his power...has returned to normal..." Why say that Boo lost his penalty and not to mention that Boo also lost his bonus so in the end he's weaker ? According to Kaioshin, Pure Boo is worse. But if Buff Boo is stronger, and since he doesn't have the kind and gentle influence of Dai Kaioshin, he should be the one most dangerous.

Why would Buff Boo be any more dangerous than Pure Boo? They are both uncontrollable and will blow up a planet without a second thought. Perhaps when absorbing the South Kaioshin he became a Boo who loves to fight more or gain power as opposed to destroying everything. Pure Boo is referred to being the most dangerous not because of his power but his unpredictability. And if Buff Boo isn't stronger then why would Boo feel the need to absorb another Kai if he knew it was going to make him weaker? Pure Boo may be like an animal but he isn't entirely stupid.

[rereboy]

Buff Boo also absorbed Dai Kaioshin, the last hope, it was shocking too, I guess... Seriously, if Buff Boo is stronger, I don't understand why Kaioshin is terrified of Pure Boo and not of Buff Boo, since they're the same person. Didn't you say a character can't judge on appearance ? And if Buff Boo is just stronger, then isn't he the most troublesome ? And Kaioshin didn't say Pure Boo was weaker. "The heart which he gained...blabla...lower his power...has returned to normal..." Why say that Boo lost his penalty and not to mention that Boo also lost his bonus so in the end he's weaker ? According to Kaioshin, Pure Boo is worse. But if Buff Boo is stronger, and since he doesn't have the kind and gentle influence of Dai Kaioshin, he should be the one most dangerous.

When Kaioshin looks at Buff Buu he looks nervous, worried and he is sweating, and at the same time he is trying to understand what is happening.

So, I don't see how you can state that he wasn't terrified of Buff Buu. Was he smiling when he saw him? Laughing? Dancing? Did he state that he didn't find him a danger at all? Where do you get these assumptions that you make...? Kaioshin is terrified of all the Buus. He is even terrified of the most controllable one (Fat Buu). Kid Buu just has a special place in his dread because he watched that Buu kill all of his fellow Kaioshins, with the exception of Dai Kaioshin, and because he knows that Kid buu is the most chaotic and uncontrollable.

Besides, you seem to not be able to even understand what his statements mean... He calls him the most troublesome and pure evil. And what does Kid Buu do right after that? He destroys the planet because he felt like it. THAT'S why he is the most troublesome, dangerous, chaotic and evil. Because he is CRAZY. None the other Buus even tried to destroy the planet just because they felt like it. This one did and by doing so he immediately demonstarted what Kaioshin was talking about. Is it because he was more powerful? No! Its because he is crazy. And THAT'S what Kaioshin meant by calling him the most troublesome. Its not that hard to understand...

[Pan-Pan]

Because Buu and the spell are totally different? Buu was an immortal being created to destroy the Kaioshin's (if I remember correctly; I don't have that volume anymore.) It stands to reason that Bibidi would make him able to absorb their power when he created Buu.
For all we know, the sealing spell was first used after Buu absorbed the Kaioshins, and since they seemed to have an unpredictable effect on Buu, Bibidi made the seal to be unable to utilize Kaioshin energy.

Yeah, makes sense. This is a good reason.

And if Buff Boo isn't stronger then why would Boo feel the need to absorb another Kai if he knew it was going to make him weaker? Pure Boo may be like an animal but he isn't entirely stupid.

Toying with Vegeta while he knows there is a big genkidama isn't entirely stupid ?
Jokes aside, considering that we are not told the effects of South Kaioshin, I tend to think that it didn't change Boo's strength, only his shape.

Pure Boo is referred to being the most dangerous not because of his power but his unpredictability.

Kaioshin didn't say Buff Boo had a different temper. So, if Buff Boo is stronger, he should be the most dangerous.

When Kaioshin looks at Buff Buu he looks nervous, worried and he is sweating, and at the same time he is trying to understand what is happening.

Ok, but I think that if Buff Boo is worse, then Kaioshin should have his horrified face immediately.

Besides, you seem to not be able to even understand what his statements mean... He calls him the most troublesome and pure evil. And what does Kid Buu do right after that? He destroys the planet because he felt like it. THAT'S why he is the most troublesome, dangerous, chaotic and evil. Because he is CRAZY. None the other Buus even tried to destroy the planet just because they felt like it.

Kid Boo destroys the planet because that's what Buuhan wanted to do once he had Vegeto absorbed. Later, on the Kaioshinkai, Kid Boo doesn't try to blow up this planet, he just fights like the other Boos.

Maybe the South Kaioshin did affect his personality. We know that every other absorption did. Maybe it calmed him down some, where he was still uncontrollable, but not as destructive?

There is no hint of that, but maybe we could assume it.
But what bugs me is that Kaioshin said Boo lost his power restriction but doesn't said he lost a power bonus (if South Kaioshin is one). Nothing suggests South Kaioshin gave Boo an extra power. Even Elder Kaioshin said "he became that huge Boo from before" instead of saying something like "that powerful Boo". So, the conclusion would be that Pure Boo is stronger, not weaker.

[rereboy]

Kid Boo destroys the planet because that's what Buuhan wanted to do once he had Vegeto absorbed.

If you can't even see the difference in how both Buu acted towards destroying the planet, there really is no point to this conversation...

Later, on the Kaioshinkai, Kid Boo doesn't try to blow up this planet, he just fights like the other Boos.

Because at that point he felt like fighting. He does everything on instinct.

Ok, but I think that if Buff Boo is worse, then Kaioshin should have his horrified face immediately.

He was still trying to understand what was happening, and like I said, Kid Buu is the form of Buu of which he has the worst memories.

[Amuro Ray]

So it just hit me - It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Kidbuu to be weaker than Superbuu/Fatbuu/Skinny Evil Buu -

Vegeta fought fatbuu and lost -
Fatbuu split his power between the GoodBuu and EvilBuu - meaning both of them were weaker as a result.

Considering how poorly Vegeta (and GoodBuu as well) did against Kiddbuu, we can assume he about Superbuu level easily. There is also Goku and Vegeta sensing his power rise, the removal of Dai Kaioshinn (who was said to supress his power) these all add up to a foe is absolutely more powerful than before.

[Bussani]

So it just hit me - It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Kidbuu to be weaker than Superbuu/Fatbuu/Skinny Evil Buu -

Vegeta fought fatbuu and lost -
Fatbuu split his power between the GoodBuu and EvilBuu - meaning both of them were weaker as a result.

Considering how poorly Vegeta (and GoodBuu as well) did against Kiddbuu, we can assume he about Superbuu level easily.

Why? Kid Buu could be stronger than Fat Buu but weaker than Super Buu and still kick both of their butts. Hell, since Good Buu is weaker than Fat Buu, Kid Buu wouldn't have to be all that much stronger than Fat Buu at all to kick their butts.

[Draken]

Mr Boo < Grey Buu/Pure Evil Buu < Fat Buu < Pure Buu <Super Buu < Buucollo < Buutenks < Buuhan. Not exactly sure where to put Buff Buu, probably between Super and Buucollo. That's what the manga and anime imply and some of these are outright stated.

[Kamiccolo9]

So it just hit me - It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Kidbuu to be weaker than Superbuu/Fatbuu/Skinny Evil Buu -

Vegeta fought fatbuu and lost -
Fatbuu split his power between the GoodBuu and EvilBuu - meaning both of them were weaker as a result.

Considering how poorly Vegeta (and GoodBuu as well) did against Kiddbuu, we can assume he about Superbuu level easily. There is also Goku and Vegeta sensing his power rise, the removal of Dai Kaioshinn (who was said to supress his power) these all add up to a foe is absolutely more powerful than before.

Why? All this means is that Pure Buu is stronger than Fat Buu, which nobody is denying. Super Buu is WAY stronger than Fat Buu; that leaves a pretty big gap for Pure Buu to fit comfortably into.

[Amuro Ray]

So it just hit me - It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Kidbuu to be weaker than Superbuu/Fatbuu/Skinny Evil Buu -

Vegeta fought fatbuu and lost -
Fatbuu split his power between the GoodBuu and EvilBuu - meaning both of them were weaker as a result.

Considering how poorly Vegeta (and GoodBuu as well) did against Kiddbuu, we can assume he about Superbuu level easily. There is also Goku and Vegeta sensing his power rise, the removal of Dai Kaioshinn (who was said to supress his power) these all add up to a foe is absolutely more powerful than before.

Why? All this means is that Pure Buu is stronger than Fat Buu, which nobody is denying. Super Buu is WAY stronger than Fat Buu; that leaves a pretty big gap for Pure Buu to fit comfortably into.

How can Superbuu be "WAY" stronger than Fatbuu when he is comprised of the same "matter."
The Dai Kaioshinn is stated to directly weaken Buu through his purity - we see evidence of his presence within Superbuu with hi's refusal to kill Satan.
Kiddbuu has nothing that inhibits him from being stronger than Superbuu - as far as the reader can see, he still holds the south Kaioshinn inside of him and with the removal of the Dai Kaio - it's stated he is becoming more powerful.

[Pan-Pan]

He was still trying to understand what was happening, and like I said, Kid Buu is the form of Buu of which he has the worst memories.

Yesterday I saw my friends' murderer in the street. But I wasn't terrified because he was more muscular than before, so I was only vaguely worried. Do you see how ridiculous it sounds ?
Anyways...
You guys are still avoiding the main problem :
Kaioshin only said Boo lost a power lowering. Conclusion = he's stronger.
He never said Boo also lost a power boost so that he's weaker as a result.