Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Shounen]

Ah is that so, well that makes sense. When's this golden week?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Week_%28Japan%29

(Date April 29, May 3-5)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Do things like Super Saiyan God and Pilaf's gang being children again (is that fixed by the end of the movie?) prevent it from happening? Can someone more in the know shed a little light?

(You don't have to make the post tiny, since the thread is full of spoilers already, so everybody here is spoiled already.)

Goku could briefly transform for a second time into a Super Saiyan God, but he did it accidentally and didn't know how he did it. Pilaf & co. stay kids at the end of the movie.

Now, as for how BoG ties-in with GT? I believe that it's possible for them to fit in the same continuity. There is a 13 years gap between BoG & GT, so there is plenty of room for Pilaf & co. to collect the DBs again & wish to get older... only to get older than they wanted.
As for Goku & Super Saiyan God... Goku, somehow, managed to absorb the power of the Super Saiyan God form in his body, which made his base form much stronger than his SS3 form (pre-SSG), since he couldn't do shit to Beers in SS3 before, while in base (post-SSG), he could dodge Beers' ki blasts with Shunkan Ido, and punch him hard to his stomach (In case you don't know, SSG is a temporary form, and Goku unconsciously reverted to his base form, and then unconsciously transformed into a Super Saiyan. Goku thought that he was fighting as a Super Saiyan God during the whole fight.). When Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan, Beers noticed that his power didn't fall significantly compared to his power in SSG.
So, we have SS Goku (post-SSG) > base Goku (post-SSG) > SS3 Goku (pre-SSG). Sounds familiar?
In GT, base Goku was implied to be stronger than his SS3 self from Boo arc. In BoG, Goku didn't go SS2 or SS3 post-SSG, so we don't know if Goku can go beyond Super Saiyan. But then again, Goku has mastered the Super Saiyan form, and he transformed unconsciously during his fight with Beers, so it's possible that if he had realized that he was a normal Super Saiyan, he would have tried to go Super Saiyan 2 or 3, but since he never tried, we don't know. So, if he can go beyond Super Saiyan, and if he never learned how to go Super Saiyan God again, then it makes sense for Goku to be that strong in GT.

[Draken]

Do things like Super Saiyan God and Pilaf's gang being children again (is that fixed by the end of the movie?) prevent it from happening? Can someone more in the know shed a little light?

As far as I know, Pilaf & co. don't change back. However, it's very plausible (as far as fan theories go) that they later wished themselves to be older, only to find out that they were being too vague and end up being the age they were in GT.

If I'm not mistaken, Super Saiyan God is something Gokuu can do whenever he wants (need a confirmation on that though). So...yeah....there are many times when he could have pulled that out in GT...then again you can say that about any transformation in GT.

Well, Goku needs help from five other Saiyans to transform, I believe.

He transformed again during the fight with Birus by himself.

(You don't have to make the post tiny, since the thread is full of spoilers already, so everybody here is spoiled already.)

Goku could briefly transform for a second time into a Super Saiyan God, but he did it accidentally and didn't know how he did it. Pilaf & co. stay kids at the end of the movie.

Now, as for how BoG ties-in with GT? I believe that it's possible for them to fit in the same continuity. There is a 13 years gap between BoG & GT, so there is plenty of room for Pilaf & co. to collect the DBs again & wish to get older... only to get older than they wanted.
As for Goku & Super Saiyan God... Goku, somehow, managed to absorb the power of the Super Saiyan God form in his body, which made his base form much stronger than his SS3 form (pre-SSG), since he couldn't do shit to Beers in SS3 before, while in base (post-SSG), he could dodge Beers' ki blasts with Shunkan Ido, and punch him hard to his stomach (In case you don't know, SSG is a temporary form, and Goku unconsciously reverted to his base form, and then unconsciously transformed into a Super Saiyan. Goku thought that he was fighting as a Super Saiyan God during the whole fight.). When Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan, Beers noticed that his power didn't fall significantly compared to his power in SSG.
So, we have SS Goku (post-SSG) > base Goku (post-SSG) > SS3 Goku (pre-SSG). Sounds familiar?
In GT, base Goku was implied to be stronger than his SS3 self from Boo arc. In BoG, Goku didn't go SS2 or SS3 post-SSG, so we don't know if Goku can go beyond Super Saiyan. But then again, Goku has mastered the Super Saiyan form, and he transformed unconsciously during his fight with Beers, so it's possible that if he had realized that he was a normal Super Saiyan, he would have tried to go Super Saiyan 2 or 3, but since he never tried, we don't know. So, if he can go beyond Super Saiyan, and if he never learned how to go Super Saiyan God again, then it makes sense for Goku to be that strong in GT.

Except with THIS theory, Goku is therefore too weak in GT lol. Post SSG base Goku would be leagues above his SSJ3 self, while in GT hes only about on par. So either way it doesn't really work.

[JeffJarrett]

Except with THIS theory, Goku is therefore too weak in GT lol. Post SSG base Goku would be leagues above his SSJ3 self, while in GT hes only about on par. So either way it doesn't really work.

Being a kid again redused Goku's power and abilities; he can't use shunkan-idou anymore for example.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Base GT Goku was at least as strong as Boo arc SS3 Goku. He could be much stronger.

Also, it's confirmed that Goku's power wasn't reduced at all when he turned into a kid. The only problems were that he couldn't use Shunkan Ido properly, and he could stay as a Super Saiyan 3 very briefly.

[Hellspawn28]

Toriyama really doesn't care about GT at all

How do you know?!

Well it's not his own work. Most creators don't care about stuff that they didn't anything to do with. Speaking of GT and BOG, in a universe stand point view that BOG was never reference again in GT which means that it most likely never happen. Everything else in Dragon Ball is mention at least more then once expect for the other 13 DBZ movies.

[Draken]

Base GT Goku was at least as strong as Boo arc SS3 Goku. He could be much stronger.

Also, it's confirmed that Goku's power wasn't reduced at all when he turned into a kid. The only problems were that he couldn't use Shunkan Ido properly, and he could stay as a Super Saiyan 3 very briefly.

Yea but Goku post SSG at base is arguably leagues above all the Z-warriors combined, while in GT he had to transform against a Buu level opponent. So base GT Goku would be either too weak (movie continuation) or too strong (end of manga continuation). Take your pick lol.

[JeffJarrett]

Well it's not his own work. Most creators don't care about stuff that they didn't anything to do with. Speaking of GT and BOG, in a universe stand point view that BOG was never reference again in GT which means that it most likely never happen. Everything else in Dragon Ball is mention at least more then once expect for the other 13 DBZ movies.

Battle of Gods is not referenced in GT because GT was made before Battle of Gods.
The fact is that Toriyama doesn't care about his own work either, he made DB to become rich and didn't care following his editor's choice rather than his own while he was writting the manga. He made DB for Shueisha, not for himeself.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Base GT Goku was at least as strong as Boo arc SS3 Goku. He could be much stronger.

Also, it's confirmed that Goku's power wasn't reduced at all when he turned into a kid. The only problems were that he couldn't use Shunkan Ido properly, and he could stay as a Super Saiyan 3 very briefly.

Yea but Goku post SSG at base is arguably leagues above all the Z-warriors combined, while in GT he had to transform against a Buu level opponent. So base GT Goku would be either too weak (movie continuation) or too strong (end of manga continuation). Take your pick lol.

Watch the fight with Rild again. Base Goku fought evenly with base Rild, until the Mega Cannon Σ stepped in the fight, and Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan, and then Rild transformed as well. It was base Rild that was stated to be stronger than Boo, so base Gokuis stronger than Boo as well.

[Hellspawn28]

Well it's not his own work. Most creators don't care about stuff that they didn't anything to do with. Speaking of GT and BOG, in a universe stand point view that BOG was never reference again in GT which means that it most likely never happen. Everything else in Dragon Ball is mention at least more then once expect for the other 13 DBZ movies.

Battle of Gods is not referenced in GT because GT was made before Battle of Gods.

I know that. I was talking about in a universe stand point of view. GT never brings up anything about BOG again and Goku acts like he never saw Pilaf' again since he was a kid. From what I've been told that Goku and Pilaf' both meet each other in the movie.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Now, as for how BoG ties-in with GT? I believe that it's possible for them to fit in the same continuity. There is a 13 years gap between BoG & GT, so there is plenty of room for Pilaf & co. to collect the DBs again & wish to get older... only to get older than they wanted.

That's pretty much how I envision that particular point fitting. Shen Long must enjoy screwing with them.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's pretty much how I envision that particular point fitting. Shen Long must enjoy screwing with them.

I guess he remembers that they were involved with the embarrassing & stupid girl's panties wish, so it's payback time!

[Draken]

Watch the fight with Rild again. Base Goku fought evenly with base Rild, until the Mega Cannon Σ stepped in the fight, and Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan, and then Rild transformed as well. It was base Rild that was stated to be stronger than Boo, so base Gokuis stronger than Boo as well.

But base Goku post SSG can 1 shot Buu with a kiai... At an extremely suppressed level.

[Gyt Kaliba]

That's pretty much how I envision that particular point fitting. Shen Long must enjoy screwing with them.

I guess he remembers that they were involved with the embarrassing & stupid girl's panties wish, so it's payback time!

If the old fan theory about the dragons totally existing in the same place when they're not summoned was true, you just know that would be an awkward conversation.

Porunga: Oh, you're back.
Shen Long: Y-Yeah.
Porunga: Been a long time since you were summoned. How'd it go?
Shen Long: ...I'd rather not talk about it.
Porunga: Eh? Why not? What'd they wish for?
Shen Long: ...
Porunga: ?
Shen Long: >_>

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But base Goku post SSG can 1 shot Buu with a kiai... At an extremely suppressed level.

And how do we know that GT base Goku can't do the same? We only know that he is stronger than Boo, but not how much stronger.

If the old fan theory about the dragons totally existing in the same place when they're not summoned was true, you just know that would be an awkward conversation.

Porunga: Oh, you're back.
Shen Long: Y-Yeah.
Porunga: Been a long time since you were summoned. How'd it go?
Shen Long: ...I'd rather not talk about it.
Porunga: Eh? Why not? What'd they wish for?
Shen Long: ...
Porunga: ?
Shen Long: >_>

[Herms]

So, I'll be damned. From what I've heard about the plot so far, does the movie actually, well and truly contradict GT?

I think it's safe to say that no effort was expended to keep the events of BoG from contradicting GT, though fans are still free to come up with tortured explanations for how it all fits together. Even early on, Watanabe said on Twitter that the movie wouldn't deal with GT because GT wasn't part of the manga.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

But base Goku post SSG can 1 shot Buu with a kiai... At an extremely suppressed level.

And how do we know that GT base Goku can't do the same? We only know that he is stronger than Boo, but not how much stronger.

Well we can say that SSJ (God power) was close to, equal to, or stronger than Vegetto, who is in the same ball park as a SSJ4, so if SSJ works like usual a 50x increase would mean base BoG is far stronger than GT Base.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The line about Super Vegetto being perhaps stronger than SS4 Goku could have been retconned.

[TheMightyOzaru]

How does the fight even go anyway? I saw a snippit where Goku charges Birusu and his Ssj God form runs out but what I want to know is why Ssj doesn't make his base form another 50x stronger? Is it that he slowly powering up after the cool down until he unconsciously turns into a Ssj when he reaches near the power of his Ssj God state or what?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think it's obvious that the x50 multiplier doesn't work for Goku anymore.