Battle Of Gods Implies SSJ3 Goku > Ultimate Gohan?

[Undertaker]

Is that true?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not exactly. Vegeta hears that SS3 Goku was beaten by Beers with only 2 blows, and concludes that no one on Earth should be strong enough to beat Beers. This could either mean that Goku is the strongest, or than Gohan and/or Gotenks are stronger, but not strong enough to beat Goku with 2 blows. Personally, I choose the second one.

[Amuro Ray]

Goku is stronger - says me.

[Undertaker]

Not exactly. Vegeta hears that SS3 Goku was beaten by Beers with only 2 blows, and concludes that no one on Earth should be strong enough to beat Beers. This could either mean that Goku is the strongest, or than Gohan and/or Gotenks are stronger, but not strong enough to beat Goku with 2 blows. Personally, I choose the second one.

Vegeta hears that Goku was beaten and was surprised because he thought he could beat Bills. That has nothing to do with Gohan and Gotenks. Furthermore, Bills puts more power in Gohan.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

The film Battle of the Gods is not part of the continuity of the original manga? If the film is an integral part of the original continuity, I see no problems Goku-kun being more powerful than Gohan (even counting its ultimate form). The movie takes place years after the defeat of Pure Buu, Goku could have spent all these years in intense training and so Goku could have surpass Gohan at its most powerful form. This explanation is good to the personality of the characters and not interfere with the structure of the manga or movie. At least for me.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No, Vegeta believes that no one stood a chance against Beers. Check this for more information.

[Darkprince410]

Goku is stronger - says me.

Considering that Gohan's character bio says that his strength surpasses that even of a pure Saiya-jin, that'd put him ahead of Goku until the latter attains his God form.

[MDSTSSJ]

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[MDSTSSJ]

BOG is between 2 and 5 years after the defeat of Boo and not yet Kakarotto is stronger but, according to BOG we could say that he has greatly increased his powers and is perfectly feasible.

I could say that SSJ3 Gotenks is a bit stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto and Ultimate Gohan is more than a bit stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto.

[MDSTSSJ]

Goku is stronger - says me.

Considering that Gohan's character bio says that his strength surpasses that even of a pure Saiya-jin, that'd put him ahead of Goku until the latter attains his God form.

Yes that´s true but, the Saiyajin Kakarotto according to BOG: ¨ He has immeasurable latent power and may one day become a formidable foe for real ¨.

If Ultimate Gohan is the release of all his power, no longer has anything to do in the pursuit of power. Besides, why not to think Goku and Vegeta can surpass Ultimate Gohan? They never stop training!

[Darkprince410]

Goku is stronger - says me.

Considering that Gohan's character bio says that his strength surpasses that even of a pure Saiya-jin, that'd put him ahead of Goku until the latter attains his God form.

Yes that´s true but, the Saiyajin Kakarotto according to BOG: ¨ He has immeasurable latent power and may one day become a formidable foe for real ¨.

If Ultimate Gohan is the release of all his power, no longer has anything to do in the pursuit of power. Besides, why not to think Goku and Vegeta can surpass Ultimate Gohan? They never stop training!

According to the Daizenshuu, Super Saiya-jin 3 is the full potential of a Saiya-jin, so really, outside of his God powers, he wouldn't be able to get any stronger.

[Herms]

According to the Daizenshuu, Super Saiya-jin 3 is the full potential of a Saiya-jin, so really, outside of his God powers, he wouldn't be able to get any stronger.

Well, unless he got more potential. Always a little more in the back!

I mean, why would Goku spend all that time training until Oob showed up, if he could never get stronger than his Boo-era SSj3 form?

[MDSTSSJ]

According to the Daizenshuu, Super Saiya-jin 3 is the full potential of a Saiya-jin, so really, outside of his God powers, he wouldn't be able to get any stronger.

Well, unless he got more potential. Always a little more in the back!

I mean, why would Goku spend all that time training until Oob showed up, if he could never get stronger than his Boo-era SSj3 form?

Good more potential statement and good conceivable question.

Why Kakaroto says he would train hard to become stronger before defeating Boo? Why he can not achieve more power? Maybe he can master the SSJ3 to achieve more power? Why Bills says about the Goku immeasurable latent power? Why not? Kakarotto have his precedence!

I think Kakarotto perfectly knows what he is capable of and always has been going beyond their limits. We have always seen that

[Amuro Ray]

Gohan is weaker - if Gohan were as strong as we were lead to believe, Vegeta wouldn't have been worried, especially consider that some believe Gotenks was stronger than Goku as well.

[Draken]

Gohan is weaker - if Gohan were as strong as we were lead to believe, Vegeta would have been worried, especially consider that some believe Gotenks was stronger than Goku as well.

Gohan is as strong as we were lead to believe and Vegeta was worried. Thanks for the debate closer!

Especially if we go by the statements Goku HIMSELF made about SSJ Gotenks pre RoSaT = SSJ3 Goku.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gohan is weaker - if Gohan were as strong as we were lead to believe, Vegeta would have been worried, especially consider that some believe Gotenks was stronger than Goku as well.

Gohan is as strong as we were lead to believe and Vegeta was worried. Thanks for the debate closer!

Especially if we go by the statements Goku HIMSELF made about SSJ Gotenks pre RoSaT = SSJ3 Goku.

You're wasting your time. I posted practically every quote from the strength checker that dealt with Gotenks' and Gohan's power in comparison to Goku's, and he just ignored it. Might as well write him off as a lost cause.

[Draken]

Gohan is weaker - if Gohan were as strong as we were lead to believe, Vegeta would have been worried, especially consider that some believe Gotenks was stronger than Goku as well.

Gohan is as strong as we were lead to believe and Vegeta was worried. Thanks for the debate closer!

Especially if we go by the statements Goku HIMSELF made about SSJ Gotenks pre RoSaT = SSJ3 Goku.

You're wasting your time. I posted practically every quote from the strength checker that dealt with Gotenks' and Gohan's power in comparison to Goku's, and he just ignored it. Might as well write him off as a lost cause.

I have at this point. To put things frankly and not further insult, he's not up for debate. It's just more looking for weaknesses in his argument and watching his funny replies at this point <3

[Amuro Ray]

Gohan is weaker - if Gohan were as strong as we were lead to believe, Vegeta would have been worried, especially consider that some believe Gotenks was stronger than Goku as well.

Gohan is as strong as we were lead to believe and Vegeta was worried. Thanks for the debate closer!

Especially if we go by the statements Goku HIMSELF made about SSJ Gotenks pre RoSaT = SSJ3 Goku.

Wouldn't* my grammar has been atrocious as of late. I'm tired.

[Amuro Ray]

Gohan is weaker - if Gohan were as strong as we were lead to believe, Vegeta would have been worried, especially consider that some believe Gotenks was stronger than Goku as well.

Gohan is as strong as we were lead to believe and Vegeta was worried. Thanks for the debate closer!

Especially if we go by the statements Goku HIMSELF made about SSJ Gotenks pre RoSaT = SSJ3 Goku.

You're wasting your time. I posted practically every quote from the strength checker that dealt with Gotenks' and Gohan's power in comparison to Goku's, and he just ignored it. Might as well write him off as a lost cause.

Your strength checker is bullshit and refutes all your arguements when Goku outright admits that he's gambling on the boys. Just because the boys are on Fatbuu's level doesn't mean they are equal to Goku. The anime expands on this when Goku avoids the comparison of Gotenks and himself.

[Draken]

You're strength checker is bullshit and refutes all your arguements when Goku outright admits that he's gambling on the boys. Just because the boys are on Fatbuu's level doesn't mean they are equal to Goku. The anime expands on this when Goku avoids the comparison of Gotenks and himself.

Anime =/= Manga =/= Akira Toriyama =/= Canon =/= Acceptable evidence in a debate.

@Herms, I think he just called you bullshit

By the way, it's "your".