Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[JeffJarrett]

With regard to the New Dragon Ball World Exhibit and timeline : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/04/17/re ... l-exhibit/


Do you think that means that GT is part of the official timeline now, despite:
(1) the Pilaf Gang turning chibi in the movie and being really old in GT
(2) Gohan being able to use his full power without needing to go Super Saiyan due to Elder Kai in the movie but no longer having his full potential unlocked in GT and still going Super Saiyan?

Now, I vaguely recall some interview I thought I read on this website that Toriyama tried to explain the initial postings of Gohan for Battle of Gods as a Super Saiyan because Gohan stopped training, but I could be wrong.

(3) After Battle of Gods, GT seems irreconcilable given the fact Goku’s family would know that in the presence of 5 pure hearted Saiyans Goku could go Super Saiyan God and when Vegeta shows up during Goku’s battle with Omega Shenron they have the requisite number [Pan, Trunks, Goten, Gohan were already there] and do not do that. Now, I know the new movie was obviously conceived of and written long after GT but that’s the point it does not succinctly fit in if GT is not supposed to be a cross dimensional “what if scenario” like how Toriyam view the other movies.

1) The Pilaf Gang could have wish to become older, and Shenron made them too old. This would also explain why they wanted to use the Black Star Dragon Balls in GT, since Shenron can't grant the same wish twice (they already wished to be younger, and won't wish again to be much older).
2) Gohan turns Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods. Turning Ultimate or SSj depends on his choice.
3) It's not because they know how to create a SSG that they will. Also, Goku must still have the SSG power in GT, and he said in Battle of Gods that he didn't like being an actual SSG because of using the other's power instead of his own. It's not because the Earth/Universe was in danger that they'd have use it; remeber when Goku and Vegeta crushed Kibitoshin's potara despite the Earth having been destroyed by Kid Buu, with their family and friends killed, and the whole Universe in danger?!

[Draken]

With regard to the New Dragon Ball World Exhibit and timeline : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/04/17/re ... l-exhibit/


Do you think that means that GT is part of the official timeline now, despite:
(1) the Pilaf Gang turning chibi in the movie and being really old in GT
(2) Gohan being able to use his full power without needing to go Super Saiyan due to Elder Kai in the movie but no longer having his full potential unlocked in GT and still going Super Saiyan?

Now, I vaguely recall some interview I thought I read on this website that Toriyama tried to explain the initial postings of Gohan for Battle of Gods as a Super Saiyan because Gohan stopped training, but I could be wrong.

(3) After Battle of Gods, GT seems irreconcilable given the fact Goku’s family would know that in the presence of 5 pure hearted Saiyans Goku could go Super Saiyan God and when Vegeta shows up during Goku’s battle with Omega Shenron they have the requisite number [Pan, Trunks, Goten, Gohan were already there] and do not do that. Now, I know the new movie was obviously conceived of and written long after GT but that’s the point it does not succinctly fit in if GT is not supposed to be a cross dimensional “what if scenario” like how Toriyam view the other movies.

1) The Pilaf Gang could have wish to become older, and Shenron made them too old. This would also explain why they wanted to use the Black Star Dragon Balls in GT, since Shenron can't grant the same wish twice (they already wished to be younger, and won't wish again to be much older).
2) Gohan turns Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods. Turning Ultimate or SSj is depends on his choice.
3) It's not because they know how to create a SSG that they will. Also, Goku must still have the SSG power in GT, and he said in Battle of Gods that he didn't like being an actual SSG because of using the other's power instead of his own. It's not because the Earth/Universe was in danger that they'd have use it; remeber when Goku and Vegeta crushed Kibitoshin's potara despite the Earth having been destroyed by Kid Buu, with their family and friends killed, and the whole Universe in danger?!

Doesn't work, if Goku had SSG's power still then his SSJ4 should be leagues above Vegeta's own, but they were shown about equal. Meaning Vegeta also randomly got an insane power boost to make his base equal to Buu. (which once again doesn't work because god base form is leagues above Buu)

[Kakarot88]

Gohan's features do not change when he "goes Super Saiyan" per the request of Elder Kai after he has had his power unlocked beyond his full potential, so it's not a "choice" one way or the other, unless there is some info you have outside of the manga or anime.


It looks to me like Toei flubbed Gohan in GT and in my opinion did the same in Battle of Gods and were able to go back in and change his hair color because it was computer software that they did the movie on. If you notice when Gohan powers up to fight Beerus you can still see the remnants of his yellow aura flash across his chest: http://youtu.be/5TazmhKO34g?t=1m6s
compare that to the initial ads: here is this website's link: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/movie/battle-of-gods/



And in the final scene screen shots Gohan's hair is noticebly discolored as if they went in and darkened it:


So his lack of ability to reach his full potential after the Elder Kai power up in GT seems out of place and thus makes GT not fit in along with the other stuff already said. I am of the minority of fans who did not hate GT so it does not really matter to me because Dragon Ball is riddled with continuity flaw (see the entire Trunks time travel bits). All I am saying is the fact that it so patently contradicts the Battle of Gods story line makes the two irreconcilable, unless some other media comes out other that fan fiction to smooth out the kinks.

[Hellspawn28]

1) The Pilaf Gang could have wish to become older, and Shenron made them too old. This would also explain why they wanted to use the Black Star Dragon Balls in GT, since Shenron can't grant the same wish twice (they already wished to be younger, and won't wish again to be much older).

I doubt it they wanted the BS Dragon Balls to be younger again. They most likely want them to rule the world, but end up making Goku into a kid instead.

[JulieYBM]

Gohan's hair wouldn't be discolored, not in a digital movie. Toei would have access to the original digital coloring files and changing the color would be easy as pie. Even then, that scene is unlikely to feature a Super Saiyan Gohan in the first place. After all, Gohan would be the only Super Saiyan!

[Kakarot88]

Gohan's hair wouldn't be discolored, not in a digital movie. Toei would have access to the original digital coloring files and changing the color would be easy as pie. Even then, that scene is unlikely to feature a Super Saiyan Gohan in the first place. After all, Gohan would be the only Super Saiyan!

Does his hair look black to you? I am going a bit color blind with my blues and purples so it may be me, but just comparing Gohan's hair to Goten hair they are not the same:


it looks very much like they went back in and did a quick fix, much like how his chest lights up golden when he rushes Beerus
just youtube it apparently I am not allowed to post it.

Sorry if this is not allowed, but in this Youtube clip of the movie Gohan is even Super Saiyan while turning Goku Super Saiyan God lol: not allowed to post it.


and this is Gohan going Super Saiyan during the failed attempt as well (again just youtube it)...so it looks likes either Gohan's abilities are different in the movie from the manga or they Toei did go back in and redo it and forgot to touch up all the parts.

[alakazam^]

1) The Pilaf Gang could have wish to become older, and Shenron made them too old. This would also explain why they wanted to use the Black Star Dragon Balls in GT, since Shenron can't grant the same wish twice (they already wished to be younger, and won't wish again to be much older).

Where does it say Shenron can't grant the same wish more than once?

[omegalucas]

1) The Pilaf Gang could have wish to become older, and Shenron made them too old. This would also explain why they wanted to use the Black Star Dragon Balls in GT, since Shenron can't grant the same wish twice (they already wished to be younger, and won't wish again to be much older).

Where does it say Shenron can't grant the same wish more than once?

Somewhere in the early Dragon Ball (when Goku meets God or maybe later during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai).
You know that rule better as "nobody can be revived more than once". The revival rule is based on the one that says that one wish can only be granted once (to a person).
The revival version of the rule is better known because that's the thing they wish for more frequently.
If Oolong wanted panties again, he wouldn't get them.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Does his hair look black to you? I am going a bit color blind with my blues and purples so it may be me, but just comparing Gohan's hair to Goten hair they are not the same:

Sorry if this is not allowed, but in this Youtibe clip of the movie Gohan is even Super Saiyan while turning Goku Super Saiyan God lol:

The discoloration isn't just on Gohan's hair. If you really look, you can see it's on the entire top of the image; including the sky and ship leg. It may be an error, or part of an effect from Birus' final attack to try and destroy the Earth or whatever. Dunno, haven't seen it, but it's not just a Gohan issue.

No, they aren't allowed. You should take them down, or an admin/mod will.

[Kakarot88]

Thanks for the heads up, but if you did watch the clips before I removed them you can clearly see Gohan is a Super Saiyan when they are trying to turn Goku into a SS God and when they actually succeed mind you Videl does not get blond hair during the process so we cannot rationalize it as just an appearance change and not true Super Saiyan form that way either, so either Gohan's abilities have changed since the manga and anime or Toei flubbed and tried to cover up as much as possible...all speculation on my part...but it would make sense why they (Toei) started panicking about getting the movie released on time after that angry fanboy on twitter noticed and called out the writers again speculation...oh well it doesn't really matter considering the series is riddled with plot holes but it's fun just the same.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the image doesn't prove anything. For all we know though, they could have drawn him as a Super Saiyan in everything for promotional purposes like they said, always intending to recolor him once they decided which shots they were going to pick for the promotional materials...though perhaps they didn't realize how much of an issue it would be to recolor him for the Super Saiyan God transformation scenes where his aura is mixed in with everyone else's. Dunno, don't really care too much. I am a big fan of consistency, but based on my own views of Gohan's Ultimate form and after GT just did whatever it wanted anyway, I wouldn't have complained too much had he just been blond the whole film without explanation.

[Kakarot88]

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the image doesn't prove anything. For all we know though, they could have drawn him as a Super Saiyan in everything for promotional purposes like they said, always intending to recolor him once they decided which shots they were going to pick for the promotional materials...though perhaps they didn't realize how much of an issue it would be to recolor him for the Super Saiyan God transformation scenes where his aura is mixed in with everyone else's. Dunno, don't really care too much. I am a big fan of consistency, but based on my own views of Gohan's Ultimate form and after GT just did whatever it wanted anyway, I wouldn't have complained too much had he just been blond the whole film without explanation.

Agreed, cuz if GT is now part of the official timeline (including Garlic Jr and Movie 5 based on what Julian posted from the Dragon Ball Exhibit) then none of that matters cuz Toei did whatever they pleased when it came to that. But that was my point: we have to suspend continuity for it to work. We have to say that the new stuff and GT and the filler saga even though it conflicts in the manga it is not supposed to so therefore it doesn't conflict

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't see why it really has to mean anything. If it has to mean something, all one has to assume is that those are the years the events take place, not that they all happened in that one timeline. Daizenshu 7's timeline has a couple of the movie dates on it (the same ones from exhibit I think), and no one's ever really said that they are in fact part of the main, "canon" timeline...ugh I'm starting to hate that word as much as Mike and Julian. xD

[Kakarot88]

Well, it doesn't have to mean anything because it should just be there to enjoy. A lot of people enjoy debating: who can beat the tar out of who, or who knows more about what... so in that sense it matters.


Down to a fundamental level purists object to the Bruce Faulconer (spelling?) music because either they don't like it or it's not official and I am sure various other reasons. Me personally I have read and watched the series several different ways and I love the Funimation dub going with US broadcast music and subtitles on the bottom so I can see where they are getting derailed, but that is me, I am not a purist I like all variations but have preferences...a lot of people consider it black and white one is right and one is wrong...


SO why this matters then is because in the big scheme of things continuity should at the most basic level be relevant to the central storyline beyond the manner in which you enjoy your media. In other words, if continuity is irrelevant then why bother making it a story at all with any central progression? I mean the dragon balls allow for correction ie oops changed my mind I want so and so alive after all but that was a created parameter from the get go. To create other parameters and implicitly throw them to the wind without an explanation is less than superior craftsmanship. That is why people care about continuity.

[rereboy]

1) The Pilaf Gang could have wish to become older, and Shenron made them too old. This would also explain why they wanted to use the Black Star Dragon Balls in GT, since Shenron can't grant the same wish twice (they already wished to be younger, and won't wish again to be much older).

Where does it say Shenron can't grant the same wish more than once?

Shenron can't bring back a person back to life more than once because he can't grant the same wish twice. That's the whole justification for not being able to bring them back a second time.

[alakazam^]

Shenron can't bring back a person back to life more than once because he can't grant the same wish twice. That's the whole justification for not being able to bring them back a second time.

Hmm, I really can't recall that explanation. You know, I think that's not accurate since they could just revive the same person over and over by wording the wish differently. Mind telling me the chapter that has that explanation?

[B]

Uh... How about the beginning of the Z-era where Goku tells Kuririn if Raditz kills him, he can't be brought back?

[alakazam^]

Oh yeah, I just checked...

[Herms]

Daizenshu 7's timeline has a couple of the movie dates on it (the same ones from exhibit I think)

Yeah, the exhibition timeline seems to be Daizenshuu 7's timeline combined with the GT Perfect Files one, with the only really new stuff being the inclusion of BoG and the reference to Episode of Bardock. All the movies/specials/filler included in the exhibition timeline were things also included in the Daizenshuu 7 timeline.

[Chuquita]

Apparently I need to be checking CDJapan every day now because stuff like this is starting to appear, my first time seeing it, and it's already out of print. >_<
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/goods/goods_de ... OGDS-84768

The grammar is so wrong, yet it makes me smile.

There's Vegeta ones too, also out of print:

At least it doesn't say "Saiyan Brad".

I hope more stuff appears soon!