Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
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Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
In the Buu Arc, when Kaioshin tries to convince him to not fight Majin Vegeta. He gets in between them, and Goku raises his hand and powers up. If Kaioshin hadn't given in, do you think Goku would have attacked him?
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
I think he would have. He probably would have held back so it was just powerful enough to KO him though.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
I think he would have KO'd him at most, but he was probably bluffing because he knew Kaioshin would stand down. Or just making a statement that there's nothing Kaioshin could do to stop him.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
With the stuff Goku has done, I wouldn't put murdering the god of creation for the sake of having a good fight beyond him.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
No, I don't think so but if I were Goku I would've blasted that purple fucker to smitterins because it's his fault Boo got resurrected. Making everything unnecessarily difficult.
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Maybe pushed him aside roughly but not harm him. Goku isn't like that at all.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
I think Goku would have launched that attack if Kaioshin provoked him any further or launched assault on him.
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A lot of people made everything unnecessarily difficult in that arc.DBZAOTA482 wrote:No, I don't think so but if I were Goku I would've blasted that purple fucker to smitterins because it's his fault Boo got resurrected. Making everything unnecessarily difficult.
- Kaioshin being vague and sneaky instead of flat out telling Goku and co. what was up
- Vegeta being a whiny princess
- Goku caring about Vegeta's "feelings" and not just putting him in his place as a SSj3
- Goku overestimating the kid's ability to actually get the job done
- The kids for fucking up several opportunities to get the job done
All of these things directly lead to shit spiraling even further out of control. Yes, I'll agree that Kaioshin basically started the chain of events that sent the arc out of control, but that doesn't indict him significantly more than anyone else should be.
As for the topic, I'll agree with "yes, but only enough to knock him out". Though there's also a chance that he wouldn't have even actually blasted Kaioshin, in which case I think he'd have shot the blast into the air to distract him, and knocked him out with a chop to the neck.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
Don't forget Gohan failing against Dabura (and Goku not letting Vegeta intervene and end it), toying with Super Buu, not finishing him off, and getting EATEN by Buu despite being way stronger than him, making him ultra powerful.
Or Vegito for not simply blasting Buu into nothing and wishing everyone back with the Namekian Dragon Balls later.
Or Vegito for not simply blasting Buu into nothing and wishing everyone back with the Namekian Dragon Balls later.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
Let's not forget Gohan somehow becoming foolish enough to fall for Super Boo's trap.
I think the mystic powerup gave the boy brain damage.
I think the mystic powerup gave the boy brain damage.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Don't forget Gohan failing against Dabura (and Goku not letting Vegeta intervene and end it), toying with Super Buu, not finishing him off, and getting EATEN by Buu despite being way stronger than him, making him ultra powerful.
That was all covered under "The kids fucking up several opportunities to get the job done".DBZAOTA482 wrote:Let's not forget Gohan somehow becoming foolish enough to fall for Super Boo's trap.
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Kaioshin was just a chump so he probably would just blast him away. He was getting in the way of something that was meant to happen (according to Goku and Vegeta at least).
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
You really can't compare "losing/even to Dabra" to "I'm going to purposely not kill Boo when I had the chance".
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
Yes, I believe he would have blasted him away. Not fatally, but as others have pointed out, just enough to knock him out.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
I think he would have, yes.
Goku's logic in the Buu arc in general is very 'if the ends justify the means'. Every decision appears to have the larger picture in mind, even if that picture is contorted by selfish personal desires.
Goku's logic in the Buu arc in general is very 'if the ends justify the means'. Every decision appears to have the larger picture in mind, even if that picture is contorted by selfish personal desires.
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Sure, why not?
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
I just realized that I started this topic and never gave my opinion 
I can see Buu Arc Goku harming Kaioshin. This is the same guy who was willing to sacrifice large portions of the human race so that his son could take down the monster that he himself believed he could beat. This Arc shows Goku at his worst; callous and unable to see the bigger picture of when it is time for him to act. He reminds me of right after he became a Super Saiyan for the first time, and he allowed his ego and desire to humiliate Freeza cloud his judgment, allowing Freeza to build up to his maximum power.
I don't think that he would kill Kaioshin, as Goku tends to shy away from killing sentient beings, but I do believe that he would be more than willing to put him out of commission.
I can see Buu Arc Goku harming Kaioshin. This is the same guy who was willing to sacrifice large portions of the human race so that his son could take down the monster that he himself believed he could beat. This Arc shows Goku at his worst; callous and unable to see the bigger picture of when it is time for him to act. He reminds me of right after he became a Super Saiyan for the first time, and he allowed his ego and desire to humiliate Freeza cloud his judgment, allowing Freeza to build up to his maximum power.
I don't think that he would kill Kaioshin, as Goku tends to shy away from killing sentient beings, but I do believe that he would be more than willing to put him out of commission.
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Goku's Flanderization in a nutshell:Kamiccolo9 wrote:I just realized that I started this topic and never gave my opinion
I can see Buu Arc Goku harming Kaioshin. This is the same guy who was willing to sacrifice large portions of the human race so that his son could take down the monster that he himself believed he could beat. This Arc shows Goku at his worst; callous and unable to see the bigger picture of when it is time for him to act. He reminds me of right after he became a Super Saiyan for the first time, and he allowed his ego and desire to humiliate Freeza cloud his judgment, allowing Freeza to build up to his maximum power.
I don't think that he would kill Kaioshin, as Goku tends to shy away from killing sentient beings, but I do believe that he would be more than willing to put him out of commission.
Naivety turned into dumbassery/being a jerk. Let's not forget when he was trying to get Gohan to calm down when he was getting angry at the sight of his girlfriend getting beaten to a pulp by Spopovich and he has the gall to bribe the Elder Kaioshin with lewd photos of her.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
He wouldn't harm Kaioshin. Goku is pure, he definitely would not harm anyone unless he had to because they were evil. Harm as in significantly injure? No. Vegeta is surprised as-well that he would do that. He was most-likely bluffing.
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Re: Would Goku have really harmed Kaioshin?
The most he would do is KO him. I don't think it would be anymore severe than that.
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