Why is Teen-Adult Gohan hated so much.

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Why is Teen-Adult Gohan hated so much.

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:34 pm

I fail to understand why Gohan during Boo arc and beyond that gains so much hate. I get people want Gohan to be badass and have uncontrol under like he did during the saiyan-Cell arc but can you blame a guy for living his dream? How many people as kids wanted to be a doctor as a kid and grew up to be a lunch lady. How many of you wanted to be a plumber but your grades are messed up so at most you're going to get is janitor. What if you can live out those dreams? Would't do the same of Gohan. Instead of bashing him by calling her "pussy", "Nerd", "Worst character", or "Stupid. Image
I'm not trying to sound like a butt-hurt fanboy of Gohan(I'm more of a Goten and Future Trunks fanboy lol) but Gohan don't deserve his hate nor should he be insulted for following his dreams and quitting fighting in times of PIECE. 7 seven years of piece and you still expect him to train? It wasn't till Goku arrived that trouble arrived. Don't confuse Gohan with Vegeta or Goku. Gohan never wanted to be a fighter in the first place. He was dragged into fighting to defend his life and his friends. Now if Goku or Vegeta stop training to be a scholar or book nerd then it's a differ story cause that seem out of character.
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Seriously is there anything wrong with ^ this Gohan? He seems like he's happy ad glad to be what he wanted to be since he was a kid.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:55 pm

You answered your own question. People often don't care about what the character wants, they want the character to become what they want him to become. They see Gohan ripping Cell a new one and they think well Gohan has a lot of potential to be a really badass character. Next they see Gohan has become a slacker and a nerd with a lame super hero identity. It kinda destroys what expectations you had for the character. I don't hate adolescent Gohan myself but I think it's pretty easy to see why people dislike him. You also have to take into consideration that he had a lot build up in the saga with the whole ultimate form but he totally gets thrown to the wayside. I myself was like WTF when that happened. Gohan is cool but he has a lot wasted potential and I honestly blame that on the people breathing down Toriyama's neck saying no Goku has to be the hero!
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Post by B » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:05 pm

Buu arc Gohan is the best Gohan. He adopts a persona that isn't crying all the time, is built up as the savior of the universe, gets a legitimately fearful reintroduction after his power-up... and then falls flat on his face. He's essential to the gag factor of that entire storyline, and I pretty much never enjoyed him more.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:05 pm

B wrote:Buu arc Gohan is the best Gohan. He adopts a persona that isn't crying all the time, is built up as the savior of the universe, gets a legitimately fearful reintroduction after his power-up... and then falls flat on his face. He's essential to the gag factor of that entire storyline, and I pretty much never enjoyed him more.
Exactly. He also gets a badass power up. I wonder how people miss the part where Kid Gohan bitches about not wanting to fight like a pussy for a large chunk of time. I hated Kid Gohan because of his random pacifistic turn, when in the Freeza saga he was perfectly fine with fighting if he had to.
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Re: Why is Teen-Adult Gohan hated so much.

Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:07 pm

I just hate the fact that he grew up. I don't mind the direction the character went in (and the whole slacking off thing is really just an excuse for why Gohan isn't ridiculously overpowered after 7 years), but I positively loathe Boo arc Gohan's character design with the intensity of the Toei executive deciding Goku had to become a kid again. Yes, I really am that shallow.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:08 pm

Really? I think his Boo arc design is where he's looking his best.
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Post by Brodes » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:22 pm

I'd really like to see a breakdown of where hates Buu saga Gohan the most. I have a feeling a lot of the strongest reactions come from where kicking people in the face is considered the epitome of 'masculinity'.

I have no problems with him at this age, in anyway. He's way more fun, especially as the Great Saiyaman. The idea of one of the Z-soldiers being a scholar and using his brain rather than brawn to win could have been great, but it was flubbed.

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Post by Insertclevername » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:31 pm

Saiga wrote:Really? I think his Boo arc design is where he's looking his best.
Same. It's actually grown on me immensely, though I still will always place his Cell arc hair at the top for me.

Later Gohan gets a lot of hate because the Great Saiyaman isn't HARDC0RE1!11 enough to some fans of a... particular region. Like what TheGMGoken initially said, they would rather have Gohan be something that is kind of out of character than what he actually is. But I guess it's a valid reason to dislike him, even if I don't agree. Personally, I'd rather have a character be silly and funny (have a more defined personality) than be some Gokuu clone. I'm glad Gohan goes to highschool instead of training because if he trained all the time, it'd be fucking boring.
B wrote:Buu arc Gohan is the best Gohan. He adopts a persona that isn't crying all the time, is built up as the savior of the universe, gets a legitimately fearful reintroduction after his power-up... and then falls flat on his face. He's essential to the gag factor of that entire storyline, and I pretty much never enjoyed him more.
At least his failures in the Boo arc weren't acts of plain stupidity (or bitching) like the other characters in the arc. Absorption was introduced (and never hinted at before) during his fight, so at least he has the excuse of falling for it (the Gotenks, not his own).

I just don't really dislike Gohan for losing to Boo for some reason. Probably because that section of the story reeks with bad character swapping.
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Post by Saiga » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:48 pm

I do. Partly because of the reason given - I strongly disagree with Toriyama's belief that Gohan couldn't be the hero. And the other part because of how badly it was done - so much build-up, only for Gohan to be shoved aside due to Boo showing a new ability. Even worse in that Kaioshin was revealed to have known about it and gave them no warning.
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Post by Vice » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:57 pm

He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:02 pm

Never understood the problem with that, either. It's not as satisfying as it would be if he had trained for it, but it's not like it's "wrong" to gain power through some other method. Gohan is hardly the only person to do it, and it's still his own power being drawn out. Plenty of other characters get quick power ups throughout the course of the series that they don't really have to do anything for.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:08 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
B wrote:Buu arc Gohan is the best Gohan. He adopts a persona that isn't crying all the time, is built up as the savior of the universe, gets a legitimately fearful reintroduction after his power-up... and then falls flat on his face. He's essential to the gag factor of that entire storyline, and I pretty much never enjoyed him more.
Exactly. He also gets a badass power up. I wonder how people miss the part where Kid Gohan bitches about not wanting to fight like a pussy for a large chunk of time. I hated Kid Gohan because of his random pacifistic turn, when in the Freeza saga he was perfectly fine with fighting if he had to.
Key point being have to (i.e to help his peps out not to appease to his Saiyan thirst for adrenaline). :P

Oh and I liked Boo Saga Gohan even when he started playing around as an uber hammy tokusatsu hero. I liked his relationship with Videl and Goten (one of the few redeeming qualities in the story arc). The disrespect only started when they hyped him up to be the new savior to appear as Mystic Jackass and gets shafted almost instantly. I think the mystic powerup gave him brain damage (seriously, can't even catch a damn earring).
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Post by Insertclevername » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:15 pm

Saiga wrote:I do.
Wait, which part were you referring to (if me at all)?
Saiga wrote:Partly because of the reason given - I strongly disagree with Toriyama's belief that Gohan couldn't be the hero. And the other part because of how badly it was done - so much build-up, only for Gohan to be shoved aside due to Boo showing a new ability. Even worse in that Kaioshin was revealed to have known about it and gave them no warning.
I feel exactly the same way.

I guess that's one more reason for DBZAOTA482 to loathe Kaioshin even more! :wink:
Saiga wrote:Never understood the problem with that, either. It's not as satisfying as it would be if he had trained for it, but it's not like it's "wrong" to gain power through some other method. Gohan is hardly the only person to do it, and it's still his own power being drawn out. Plenty of other characters get quick power ups throughout the course of the series that they don't really have to do anything for.
It's also not really his fault either. That was the only way to get really powerful, really fast.
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Post by Dabooyaka » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:20 pm

Gohan post saiyaman arc is awesome... I do agree that saiyanman Gohan is terrible.

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Post by Insertclevername » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:22 pm

Dabooyaka wrote:Gohan post saiyaman arc is awesome... I do agree that saiyanman Gohan is terrible.
How so? I'd like to hear you elaborate on that. It could provide a lot of insight for that opinion. :)
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:40 pm

I like Adult Gohan better because he has more personality than he does in the Cell arc, and I also enjoy his story/relationships with Videl and Goten. Yeah I guess its disappointing that he isn't the hero despite being the strongest (then again I don't appreciate cheap-ups) but I think his navieness as a fighter is part of what makes his character.

I mean, on a flip note, would I like him if he didn't have personality but bulldozes his way through characters? Nah, save that for Broly. :lol:
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Post by Saiga » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:03 pm

@Insertclevername Oh, it was in response to you saying you didn't dislike Gohan for losing to Boo. I completely misread that, and though you meant you didn't dislike that he lost.

I'd even go as far as to argue that Gohan had the "hardest" special power-up of all - every other time someone gets a special power up it's quick and easy. Gohan has to sit still for more than 24 hours, bad enough in itself, while Boo kills a bunch of his friends, the majority of Earth's population, and his little brother and friend are fighting in his place. And you can see that it's really testing him.

The only thing that compares to that is Goku's Super... God? Water (sorry Herms, already forgot your explanation :D ) power-up because it nearly kills him... but that's over almost instantly.

Also, funny you mention DBZAOTA's hate of Kaioshin, he is the one who brought the absorption point to my attention.
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Post by Draken » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:31 pm

I love Saiyaman Gohan, just can't get enough of ReWatching that point of the series... Priceless.

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Post by Brodes » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:20 pm

Vice wrote:He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.
No different to reaching enlightenment.:P
Dabooyaka wrote:Gohan post saiyaman arc is awesome... I do agree that saiyanman Gohan is terrible.
Because he's too awesome to handle?

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:29 pm

Vice wrote:He becomes the strongest unfused fighter in the series by literally sitting on his ass and doing nothing.
Goku gets 50x stronger when he got angry at Freeza. That's power being handed to you on a silver platter right there. I see Gohan's power up as no different than a Ssj transformation seeing how, like Ssj, it's simply a release of dormant power.
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