Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

[Kamiccolo9]

It's an encyclopedia. It presents facts. I would assume fan speculation is what the forums are for.

It's a fan made encyclopedia. What I'm wanting to know is what happens when fans disagree on what the facts are.

You cannot disagree with facts, they are immutable and absolute. Fan speculation on power levels and who is stronger than who has no place in a proper, professional wiki. Just because it will be fan made, there is no reason it cannot be professional.

I'm not saying that it cannot be professional, what I'm saying is that there are contradictions inherent in the source material that make it vague as to what some of the facts are.
Howver, if there is going to be no speculation in the articles, then that answers my question. Thanks!

[Herms]

My personal preference would be for the wiki to focus primarily on real world information about the production and distribution of the series, animation houses and styles, all the various people involved, etc. There'd still be plenty of "in-universe" stuff, but not in the sort of obsessive detail you'd need for things like "Piccolo versus base Saiyans" to be on the radar.

[Kaboom]

When it comes to in-universe power-related stuff, I think it'd be best to just stick to solid, sourceable things. For example, Daizenshuu 7 notes that Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo, so that might be included in Kaioshin's page. That way it's not siding with an opinion that anyone could whine about, it's just citing something as "according to <insert book here>."

[Kamiccolo9]

When it comes to in-universe power-related stuff, I think it'd be best to just stick to solid, sourceable things. For example, Daizenshuu 7 notes that Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo, so that might be included in Kaioshin's page. That way it's not siding with an opinion that anyone could whine about, it's just citing something as "according to <insert book here>."

Cool. I was just hoping that the wiki would avoid the rabid power debates that you sometimes see in the forums. I've seen some nighmarish ones on the DB Wiki talk pages, but I'm sure the standards here are much higher.

[B]

Yeah, unless there's a line of text from the manga or a guide specifically stating X is stronger than Y, there's no need to even bring up the topic of strength in any given article.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

My personal preference would be for the wiki to focus primarily on real world information about the production and distribution of the series, animation houses and styles, all the various people involved, etc.

Doesn't the main website cover all those things covered? I think the wiki should focus on the in-universe information, but also focus on real world information that the main site hasn't covered.

[Insertclevername]

How about the wiki covering *dramatic pause* both in universe and production information?

[Tzigi]

How about the wiki covering *dramatic pause* both in universe and production information?

Maybe kind of like EvaGeeks has it: production info including statements by the staff with their actual sources and all the other in-universe stuff.

[Nex Carnifex]

Can we have an update on this

[VegettoEX]

Can we have an update on this

If we had an update for you, you would know about it by now via the website itself, this forum thread, our various social media accounts, etc.

[Cold Skin]

I really love the concept of having an ultimate online encyclopedia by Kanzenshuu.

But the thing that worries me is that it could be less complete than it should: an ultimate encyclopedia should show a lot of pictures of "what it looks like in the anime", "what it looks like in the original manga", "what it looks like in the color manga"... The resolution could be limited to small pictures (so that they are well incorporated in the article) that wouldn't be useable other than for illustrating the article, but it would still need to not priviledge one media over the other but really show a same scene in all medias possible (including remade scenes ftom Ultimate Tenkaichi and censorship alterations).

It should also contain all possible information, including the revelations from the various official guides, which brings the question "are we not impacting negatively the sells of the guides by giving all its content away for free - albeit rephrased - all over the encyclopedia, accessible to anyone?" But then, if it doesn't give those elements, it goes against the fact that the ultimate encyclopedia should simply countain all currently available official information, including everything that's said in the guides.
So, we have a clash between the concept of a super wiki that is supposed to satisfy the viewer's curiosity or need of info by giving him all available information and showing him what every character or special move or landscape looks like in all medias, and Kanzenshuu's line of behavior that has always respected the official products and not giving away for free what we should rightfully pay for.

The concept of a reliable wiki has a lot of potential, especially with the international Kanzenshuu community able to convey official information from all countries, it could be easy to have an international encyclopedia, written in English and using the usual Kanzenshuu names while also mentionning in the data box (or in a section dedicated to it like "official names around the world") the official anime and manga names (as the last known updates from the anime dub and the manga only, cause all previous translations are irrelevant in such a list) from various countries so that it makes it the world's truly ultimate internationnal encyclopedia for Dragon Ball.
We could really have for a same character/move "Japanese name [written with Japanese signs]", "Japanese name [converted into western language]", "Official English name (Anime)", "Official English name (Manga)", "Official German name (Anime)", "Official German name (Manga)", "Official Spanish name (Anime)", etc...

I think it has a potential of being reliable and mentionning things around the world with always a section at the end of an article like "official names around the world" or "status of that series/edition/game around the world" thanks to the widely international community of Kanzenshuu that could help providing info and/or pictures/proofs.
But the part that worries me is about the completeness, for if I go to the ultimate encyclopedia and search for the "Twister Gum" attack for example, the point would be to not only have every single thing we know about it (through the manga dialogues or events, but also the official guides), but to actually see it in its various forms through little pictures with "as shown in the original manga uncolored", "as shown in the anime as a pink gum", "as shown in the full color manga as a blue gum".

And Kanzenshuu has always been willing to show the minimum to not have a negative impact on the products on sales, on the franchise they love.
But is it really compatible with the concept of a wiki which is supposed to explain everything and show a lot and make sure that whatever information given is illustrated and whatever visual version you're looking for is shown?
If you go to the wiki wondering "what has been officially revealed about Super Saiyans throughout the years?" and "what does it look like in the anime/original manga/new manga?", you're supposed to have ALL your answers.
And I'm not sure that complies with Kanzenshuu's respectful policies about "not giving too much of what you could actually buy to see/know".

So it's a very interesting idea that has a LOT of potential to become the ultimate worldwide online resource for Dragon Ball, but it brings questions about "to what extent would they be willing to go to make it the ultimate encyclopedia that answers all possible questions and will satisfy the viewer's curiosity about anything he could be wondering?"

[Nex Carnifex]

Shit guys can we get some energy focused on finishing this....this should be one of your top priorities lets get this shit set up please for the love of God and all the people millions of times more powerful than him

[VegettoEX]

Shit guys can we get some energy focused on finishing this....this should be one of your top priorities lets get this shit set up please for the love of God and all the people millions of times more powerful than him

You popping in every few months to curse about it doesn't really make me want to do a whole lot.

I'm really tempted to write, "You realize we're all grown-ass men, all with full-time jobs, most with families... right?" but I shouldn't say something like that. That would be rude and out of line. I would never say that so bluntly.