Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline?

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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:43 am

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Depends if you believe in mythology, however for energy to be in constant supply with no source powering it, does not work no matter what.
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Bussani » Sun May 05, 2013 5:59 am

IIMaxII wrote:It's a plot hole because it's not possible, even in fantasy.
I don't even know how to respond to that. Anything's possible in fiction--especially in fantasy.
IIMaxII wrote:for energy to be in constant supply with no source powering it, does not work no matter what.
Technically, you don't even need to assume it has no source. The infinite energy reactors could be syphoning power from an unseen source, like a hyperspace-tap or a zero point module, or some other soft sci-fi pseudoscience.
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:05 pm

This is a series where we have nigh-omnipotent wish granting dragons made from magic by humanoid slugs, pink bubblegum monsters that turn people into cookies, a biologically engineered super android that is made up numerous fighters, and somehow got their techniques and fighting skills from their DNA, talking animals roam the Earth, people can ride clouds, the gods are formed by fruits that fell off a tree and were chosen by lottery, and where 3 eyed and noseless people don't really stand out. I think realism was kinda thrown out the window early on when you had a kid shrugging off machine gun bullets and beating up an armored talking bear with a sword.
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by IIMaxII » Sun May 05, 2013 12:12 pm

It is more possible for scientists to create cars that can fly, resurrect dinosaurs, or have talking dogs. Unlimited energy...yeah okay...not even in theory could that work.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:14 pm

IIMaxII wrote:It is more possible for scientists to create cars that can fly, resurrect dinosaurs, or have talking dogs. Unlimited energy...yeah okay...not even in theory could that work.
And the aforementioned nigh-omnipotent wish granting dragons created by talking humanoid slug people?
It's a gag manga. Why does it have to make use of real-life science?
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by hleV » Sun May 05, 2013 12:33 pm

The boy and girl are initially called #19 & #20 by Trunks, so perhaps these numbers are actually right in his history? Though if that was the case, I have no idea what would #17 & #18 be. Or was it confirmed that Trunks was initially incorrect about the numbers?

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Post by Ookalf » Sun May 05, 2013 1:16 pm

hleV wrote:The boy and girl are initially called #19 & #20 by Trunks, so perhaps these numbers are actually right in his history? Though if that was the case, I have no idea what would #17 & #18 be. Or was it confirmed that Trunks was initially incorrect about the numbers?
When Trunks tells Goku about the androids, he calls them 19 and 20. When he comes back after we actually meet 19 and 20, he's suddenly been fighting 17 and 18 all along, and the androids from his future are never addressed as 19 and 20 again.

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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Mjb1985 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Makes sense considering 20 was supposed to be the main villian. I'm surprised in the retcon he didn't just leave it as the " androids " . No specifics.

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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by IIMaxII » Sun May 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Also Cell says he killed Trunks, because Trunks is coming back to tell our Heroes the good news of freeing the future...I'm assuming this other Trunks had the same events where Gohan defeated Cell, so how could it play out like that? o.O

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Post by Mjb1985 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Cell probably killed a Trunks who's timeline consists of the androids being shut down with the remote device. Would be pretty hard for Cell to kill a Trunks who was on par with a Cell Junior. Although it is possible of course , that's how I view that timeline.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:46 pm

IIMaxII wrote:Also Cell says he killed Trunks, because Trunks is coming back to tell our Heroes the good news of freeing the future...I'm assuming this other Trunks had the same events where Gohan defeated Cell, so how could it play out like that? o.O
Didn't the other Trunks find some way to shut down the androids? That's why Cell came from the future in the first place, because he couldn't absorb them in his tim.
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by IIMaxII » Sun May 05, 2013 1:47 pm

Where is it stated that he was able to shut them down?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:50 pm

IIMaxII wrote:Where is it stated that he was able to shut them down?
I don't think it is, but that Trunks was weaker than Imperfect Cell, who was weaker than the Androids, so he couldn't have destroyed them. He would have had to find some way to shut them down.
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Mjb1985 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:53 pm

Exactly. And like I said , for Cell to kill Trunks , it gives the impression that Trunks was weak. So using the remote control seems to be like a good fit for that timeline.

But why was Trunks heading to a year before he arrived initially? That never made sense to me.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:55 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Exactly. And like I said , for Cell to kill Trunks , it gives the impression that Trunks was weak. So using the remote control seems to be like a good fit for that timeline.

But why was Trunks heading to a year before he arrived initially? That never made sense to me.
Cell said he found Trunks right when he was getting ready to head back to the past. Maybe he was in the process of setting the date?
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Mjb1985 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:57 pm

The date was already set. The date set was a year before Freeza and Cold show up. Why would Trunks go there? Unless you think he was still adjusting the date?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 2:02 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:The date was already set. The date set was a year before Freeza and Cold show up. Why would Trunks go there? Unless you think he was still adjusting the date?
Sure, why not? He could have been turning the dial or whatever right when Cell showed up. It would be a big coincidence, but hey, it works :D
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Mjb1985 » Sun May 05, 2013 2:11 pm

Not only that, it actually has to be the explanation. Because any other explanation would get really difficult.

How about this , Trunks is setting the timer and Cell attacks , making Trunks hit it back to that time. Lol. But yea , any other explanation would be really insane. Nice dude.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 05, 2013 2:13 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Not only that, it actually has to be the explanation. Because any other explanation would get really difficult.

How about this , Trunks is setting the timer and Cell attacks , making Trunks hit it back to that time. Lol. But yea , any other explanation would be really insane. Nice dude.
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Re: Can we assume that A-19 and C-20 are in Trunk's timeline

Post by Mjb1985 » Sun May 05, 2013 2:25 pm

Cool hopefully I can join you in some of that theorizing! What game are you playing?

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