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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by Cipher » Sun May 05, 2013 1:59 pm

IIMaxII wrote:Your girlfriend is out of her mind! :P The Freeza and Cell arcs were awesome! :(
Considering I completely agree with her, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Well, regarding the later Cell arc, anyway. The early portions where it's a creepy mystery are pretty awesome, but once it goes into pure strength one-upsmanship, it's a serious bore. The Freeza arc I do love to death, but only the manga. The Z anime is an absolute challenge to sit through from about the time the Goku shows up on Namek, so I can't fault her for that at all.

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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 05, 2013 3:04 pm

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IIMaxII wrote:Your girlfriend is out of her mind! :P The Freeza and Cell arcs were awesome! :(
Considering I completely agree with her, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Well, regarding the later Cell arc, anyway. The early portions where it's a creepy mystery are pretty awesome, but once it goes into pure strength one-upsmanship, it's a serious bore. The Freeza arc I do love to death, but only the manga. The Z anime is an absolute challenge to sit through from about the time the Goku shows up on Namek, so I can't fault her for that at all.
Pure strength one upsmanship is your complain? Yet you like the BUU SAGA better. Boo arc had a worst case of one upsmanship. The Freeza saga was like that as well.... in fact the only time power wasn't needed to fight was Saiyan arc and everything before the saiyan arc.

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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by Cipher » Sun May 05, 2013 3:08 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Pure strength one upsmanship is your complain? Yet you like the BUU SAGA better. Boo arc had a worst case of one upsmanship. The Freeza saga was like that as well.... in fact the only time power wasn't needed to fight was Saiyan arc and everything before the saiyan arc.
That's actually my major complaint with the Freeza arc as well. It's just that the story going into climax mode is enough to make me overlook it.

The Boo arc is pure, unbridled insanity. The difference between it and the later half of the Cell arc is that, even when they're presenting the same tropes, the Boo arc does so with a total sense of whimsy.

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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by Kid Buu » Sun May 05, 2013 3:20 pm

Cipher wrote:he Freeza arc I do love to death, but only the manga. The Z anime is an absolute challenge to sit through from about the time the Goku shows up on Namek, so I can't fault her for that at all.
I'm going to agree and disagree with this post. While I do agree that portion of the series is a bit tedious to sit through, I also think even in the manga becomes less interesting once Gokus up on Namek. Especially the battle between Freeza's form 1-3, felt like a waste of time.
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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun May 05, 2013 3:22 pm

Cipher wrote:
IIMaxII wrote:Your girlfriend is out of her mind! :P The Freeza and Cell arcs were awesome! :(
Considering I completely agree with her, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Well, regarding the later Cell arc, anyway. The early portions where it's a creepy mystery are pretty awesome, but once it goes into pure strength one-upsmanship, it's a serious bore.
Then why did she like the Boo arc all the way through... when (at least) the second half of it is practically a huge dick measuring contest which combines the most ridiculous aspects of the Freeza and Cell arcs into one?

That said, I thought everything until Cell anounnces the Cell Games was pure gold (not pure but...). That's around when Toriyama-sensei's editor tânto took over. Nothing surpasses the Namek/Freeza Saga though.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun May 05, 2013 3:29 pm

I would bring up my hatred of the Bulma and the Crabs filler episode, but seeing as how I saw that before I was a fan, I guess that wasn't really a 'stop watching' thing and more of something that prevented me from 'starting'. I'll have to go to the other spot that got me the first time around then - the Garlic Jr. Saga. I don't really hate the saga now, but the first time I watched it was just after getting into the show with the Super Saiyan Goku V.S. Freeza stuff, so...it fell really, really short. It was just a good thing I saw a next episode preview showing Freeza coming back, otherwise I would never have stuck around as a fan probably.
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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by Cipher » Sun May 05, 2013 3:32 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Then why did she like the Boo arc all the way through... when (at least) the second half of it is practically a huge dick measuring contest which combines the most ridiculous aspects of the Freeza and Cell arcs into one?
I totally agree with her, so I'll just give my thoughts: As with the Cell arc, the first half is the more enjoyable one, but even the action-heavy second-half holds up better. Gohan is actually likable, Gotenks vs. Boo is hilarious, none of the fights last more than a few episodes and are punctuated by lots of zany events (including the entire trip through Boo), and by the time you get to Goku and Vegeta vs. Kid Boo it's the climax and a number of events are still happening (return of Mr. Boo, Mr. Satan, several different strategies, etc.). She was also more entertained by the serious portions, I think because in general Boo is a much creepier villain and the "more dire plot than ever with a sillier tone than ever" aspect makes it a lot more watchable.

It's amazing how well the Boo arc plays for what it is.

Also, those "dick-measuring" power-ups don't work in this arc, which is something I've seen people on this board point out a number of times.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Black_Liger » Sun May 05, 2013 3:54 pm

Just when I watched how Goku dissapeared on Shenron's back at the end of GT. LOL.
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Re: Was the moment where you wanted to stop watching.

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:01 pm

Cipher wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Then why did she like the Boo arc all the way through... when (at least) the second half of it is practically a huge dick measuring contest which combines the most ridiculous aspects of the Freeza and Cell arcs into one?
I totally agree with her, so I'll just give my thoughts: As with the Cell arc, the first half is the more enjoyable one, but even the action-heavy second-half holds up better. Gohan is actually likable, Gotenks vs. Boo is hilarious, none of the fights last more than a few episodes and are punctuated by lots of zany events (including the entire trip through Boo), and by the time you get to Goku and Vegeta vs. Kid Boo it's the climax and a number of events are still happening (return of Mr. Boo, Mr. Satan, several different strategies, etc.). She was also more entertained by the serious portions, I think because in general Boo is a much creepier villain and the "more dire plot than ever with a sillier tone than ever" aspect makes it a lot more watchable.

It's amazing how well the Boo arc plays for what it is.

Also, those "dick-measuring" power-ups don't work in this arc, which is something I've seen people on this board point out a number of times.
Ehh... The Boo arc jerks the viewers/readers around too much. For example, Kaioshin started out mysterious and confident but ended up being a whiny fool or how Goku and Vegeta's rematch was hyped up but didn't amount to much. The only character/fight that truly lived up to his hype was Vegetto.

I do admit that the more comedic tone was a bold move and I do respect that the climax wasn't a "new transformation saves the day" trope (though the technique was something that failed twice before) but the characters had to be retards (except my main man Vegeta) especially Goku himself, for that to be achieved so it negates from it.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Kid Buu » Sun May 05, 2013 4:29 pm

The Majin Buu arc is at the same time the best and worst arc of all of Dragon Ball.
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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:42 pm

Kid Buu wrote:The Majin Buu arc is at the same time the best and worst arc of all of Dragon Ball.
Sounds legit.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun May 05, 2013 5:40 pm

I never wanted to stop but if their was ever a place you would find it in GT :lol: .
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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by CaBrPi » Sun May 05, 2013 6:29 pm

Kid Buu wrote:The Majin Buu arc is at the same time the best and worst arc of all of Dragon Ball.
An apt description.

As for me, it's Goku's training with Kami filler. It just bored me to tears, and I was kinda burnt out after rushing through the Piccolo-Daimao arc.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Vice » Sun May 05, 2013 10:59 pm

Felt compelled to skip the Buu Arc entirely at one time.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Jack Bz » Sun May 05, 2013 11:42 pm

I thought the Buu arc had the most entertaining fight scenes/action sequences, and I loved Buu's fighting style and generally what he was, as in a near immortal monster created to destroy the gods themselves. But it definitely has the worst story progression of the Z arcs (though I loved how it starts). It's all really enjoyable to me though, I prefer it to Cell but not as much as Freeza/namek.

I don't think I was ever tempted to stop watching or skip anything.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by DBZ Mick » Sun May 05, 2013 11:50 pm

Jack Bz wrote:I thought the Buu arc had the most entertaining fight scenes/action sequences, and I loved Buu's fighting style and generally what he was, as in a near immortal monster created to destroy the gods themselves. But it definitely has the worst story progression of the Z arcs (though I loved how it starts). It's all really enjoyable to me though, I prefer it to Cell but not as much as Freeza/namek.

I don't think I was ever tempted to stop watching or skip anything.
I agree. The Artificial Human arc is all over the place with Dr. Gero appearing from nowhere and creating robots and humans with robotic attachments stronger than Freeza and Super Saiyans (sorry, I've brought this up countless times but I just don't like it), terrible villians (Nos 16, 17 and 18 go joy riding for pete's sake and aren't even what I'd call evil), Vegeta becomes an annoying anti-hero, Trunks who had lots of promise is pushed to the background and the plot is all over the place the place (although the Boo arc has this too). Cell being introduced gave it the mystery and tension it needed but it became boring again when he absorbed #17 until the Cell Game brought it all together mostly (apart from Gohan's sudden pacifist turn).

The Boo arc up until Vegeta's sacrifice is much more enjoyable and well put together (plotwise IMO). It still has it's moments afterwards too though but that's when it becomes a bit of a clusterf#$k of ideas and whatnot.
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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon May 06, 2013 6:15 am

DBZ Mick wrote:
Jack Bz wrote:I thought the Buu arc had the most entertaining fight scenes/action sequences, and I loved Buu's fighting style and generally what he was, as in a near immortal monster created to destroy the gods themselves. But it definitely has the worst story progression of the Z arcs (though I loved how it starts). It's all really enjoyable to me though, I prefer it to Cell but not as much as Freeza/namek.

I don't think I was ever tempted to stop watching or skip anything.
I agree. The Artificial Human arc is all over the place with Dr. Gero appearing from nowhere and creating robots and humans with robotic attachments stronger than Freeza and Super Saiyans (sorry, I've brought this up countless times but I just don't like it), terrible villians (Nos 16, 17 and 18 go joy riding for pete's sake and aren't even what I'd call evil), Vegeta becomes an annoying anti-hero, Trunks who had lots of promise is pushed to the background and the plot is all over the place the place (although the Boo arc has this too). Cell being introduced gave it the mystery and tension it needed but it became boring again when he absorbed #17 until the Cell Game brought it all together mostly (apart from Gohan's sudden pacifist turn).

The Boo arc up until Vegeta's sacrifice is much more enjoyable and well put together (plotwise IMO). It still has it's moments afterwards too though but that's when it becomes a bit of a clusterf#$k of ideas and whatnot.
The Boo arc has Kaioshin. That is all.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Bejiita » Mon May 06, 2013 4:16 pm

Never, not once did I feel like stopping to watch it.

But if there were a point in which I'd stop watching it would be the Garlic Jr saga, it is basically a load of bull, especially after what happened in the Frieza arc, and plus there's the fact that we all know how it's all filler and nothing (story-progression wise) will happen, so it's not really worth it's while, maybe only die-hard fans can enjoy it, I suppose all the movies would become bull as well if I went by this, but you can't compare those which are only about an hour, the Garlic Jr saga is 10 episodes long (under 3 and a half hours), but it just feels like such a drag. I've never wanted a period of the story to end so badly.
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Post by InfernalVegito » Mon May 06, 2013 4:34 pm

Never. I don't know why.
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Re: Was there moment where you wanted to stop watching?

Post by Kendamu » Mon May 06, 2013 4:52 pm

I wanted to stop watching after "Season 3" started. I was really excited that there were new episodes and I could finally learn more of the story, but something about the picture seemed more... "neon" than the previous episodes and the new cast was just a bunch of people trying to imitate the old cast. Shortly afterward I got into the manga and it wasn't really a problem anymore. As for story elements, there was never a part that made me not want to watch anymore. I was pretty invested in Dragonball, but I was never so emotionally invested in a particular character that I just couldn't accept whatever it was that happened.

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