Babidi was more of a villain than Buu

[Zarathustra]

In the traditional Dragon Ball sense, I mean.

He had concrete, rooted, malice and dislike towards East Kaioshin and his ilk. Also, he had actual conscious motivations and goals to achieve [revenge, sadism, ambition] - not programmed or predisposed behavior patterns like his monster.

Buu becomes more villain-like as he usurps personalities and develops a more complex conscious but Babidi's natural malevolence makes him much more of a villain, and part of me wishes he had participated actively until the conclusion of the arc. Although, I do understand his removal as a pivotal progression that Toriyama wanted.

Buu was more like an evil hedonist, whereas Babidi matches the villainous, conquering archetype that had become especially prominent since the Piccolo-Daimao arc.

[DBZAOTA482]

I agree but damn was Bobbidi annoying. I literally cheered when Majin Boo killed him.

Anyways, I never thought of Majin Buu as much of a villain as so much a force of nature.

[Dark Red Z]

I don't think anyone can ever deny your claim, OP. Babidi's the real asshole, while Buu was created by his father to be a tool towards universe domination.

[RandomGuy96]

Babidi is basically the same character as Pilaf. Or Red. Or Gero. Or King Cold.

And I actually feel sorry for the original Buu. He never really knew better, and had the mind of a young child.

[Zarathustra]

Think the Buu saga lost quite a bit of substance when Babidi bit the dust.

[ThePrinceOfSaiyans]

I agree. Despite Babidi playing only a short role of releasing Buu, I feel he was a decent villain due to his bitter and evil ways and wanting revenge, he has a motive. Where as Fat Buu is child like and doesn't know better, he shows severe lack of intelligence. Even when Kid Buu arrives, Kid Buu is a bit more Villain like but it lacks motive, he's just a killing machine and wants to destroy people. Even psychopathic and insane villains usually have a reason for it or a particular person they intend on killing with a motive behind it. Although if it ended up like Broly, I'm happy for Kid Buu to stay a no reason killing machine. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the Broly movies, but being obsessed with Goku because he cried and made you cry? I laughed quite a bit when I first saw his motive for killing Goku and shouting "Kakarot!!" with such hate and anger.

[Zarathustra]

Broly movies are good for drinking games.

Babidi was like an oriental sorcerer caricature of Hamlet.

[Kamiccolo9]

Kinda-sorta-not really going with this topic, who would you consider the true villain of the Android Arc, Gero or Cell? I don't think that this is as clear-cut as Babidi and Buu.

[Zarathustra]

Gero was the Frankenstein

I don't think Cell would have roundhouse kicked him, but a yellow energy blast in his semi-perfect state could have probably book-ended a flashback episode.

[djkalteraphine]

Majin Boo really is more of a force of nature than an actual villain. Especially in his natural "kid Boo" state. He's nothing but violence. It's like Goku and Vegeta fought a hurricane than an actual super villain. But that's what makes him interesting.

Babidi is more traditional, as OP said. Nothing wrong with that. He served his purpose and then Boo did away with him.

[Zarathustra]

Buu's condition as an absolute, with no grays, makes the arc tedious. Would have been a good transition, though.

[Saiga]

I like Babidi, but he was also annoying and things were improved a lot when he was killed off. I don't think he was more of a villain than Boo, at least not Evil Boo.

[ThePrinceOfSaiyans]

Kinda-sorta-not really going with this topic, who would you consider the true villain of the Android Arc, Gero or Cell? I don't think that this is as clear-cut as Babidi and Buu.

Out of Cell and Gero, I'd have to say Cell I think.

Gero was bent on revenge on Goku which was the whole point of the androids programmed to kill him, but Cell was never seemingly interested in Goku's death, he wanted to test his abilities with anyone and everyone strong then destroy the world. So Gero wanted Goku dead, Cell wanted a challenge then world annihilation after his Cell games and there was no one else to challenge, so yeah, I'd have to go with Cell for that reason.

[Kaboom]

Then again, we don't really know the full extent of Gero's ambitions. He and his creations still sported the Red Ribbon Army emblem, after all. Once Goku was out of the way, he may have been planning to resurrect the RRA with himself as leader and a horde of Android soldiers to conquer the world, or something.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Imagine if Buu absorbed Babidi. Would that make him both an intelligent and chaotic villain, then?

http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&biw=1 ... =113&ty=36

[ThePrinceOfSaiyans]

Not sure about more of a villain but he'd grow more intelligent as he did when Piccolo was absorbed, also I think he'd have babidi's magical abilities, not that someone that powerful who can reform himself from any blast would need them though. Would of been interesting to see though.

[Kamiccolo9]

Imagine if Buu absorbed Babidi. Would that make him both an intelligent and chaotic villain, then?

http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&biw=1 ... =113&ty=36

Buu would have hair!

I imagine it'd make him more mentally unstable. Babidi seemed to be a bit off, and the addition of an evil being like that to the relatively good Fat Buu would be an unstable mixture.

[mAcChaos]

I liked having him scheming and planning in the background, and the way he would betray his subordinates as soon as they did their job made him seem threatening.