Most powerful move in DBZ

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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Godo » Wed May 29, 2013 10:36 am

Nope. Maybe to SSJ1 Vegetto's power, but he never went past that limit, so a 8 times stronger Vegetto could have defeated him.
Remember, they are comparing him to the strongest power they have felt yet, which doesn't include Vegetto's higher transformations, which have never been seen or felt before.
So any power comparisons or statements such as "this is the strongest ki we have felt yet!" only includes SSJ Vegetto.
You shouldn't be so fast with disregarding such things.

On-topic, I think that Vegeta's Final Flash was a pretty cool and powerful attack. I don't know the amplifier, but the contrast between how Vegeta was doing initially in the fight to the damage he dealt with his Final Flash was huge.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed May 29, 2013 10:41 am

Possibly so but I have Beers and Whis quite a bit above SSJ3 Vegetto.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed May 29, 2013 11:48 am

Omega Shenron and SS4 Gogeta at the very least are both stronger than SS3 Vegetto.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed May 29, 2013 4:23 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Omega Shenron and SS4 Gogeta at the very least are both stronger than SS3 Vegetto.
Not necessarily. I think that's the case but if you take the SEG literally, Vegetto would be stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. Probably even in his base form.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Darkprince410 » Wed May 29, 2013 7:17 pm

I think purely in terms of output based on the user's strength, the Shin Ki Kou Hou is the most powerful technique in the franchise. Tenshinhan was able to batter 2nd stage Cell around with it, despite being hundreds of times weaker than him. Even though the attack wasn't able to do any appreciable kind of damage, to at least have the power behind it to hold Cell down for a few minutes speaks volumes to its potency.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed May 29, 2013 8:52 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:I think purely in terms of output based on the user's strength, the Shin Ki Kou Hou is the most powerful technique in the franchise. Tenshinhan was able to batter 2nd stage Cell around with it, despite being hundreds of times weaker than him. Even though the attack wasn't able to do any appreciable kind of damage, to at least have the power behind it to hold Cell down for a few minutes speaks volumes to its potency.
The Kienzan is similar, except it actually does damage.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Darkprince410 » Wed May 29, 2013 11:34 pm

True, but the only downside is, is that we've never really seen it used on any major target outside of Freeza. With Cell, even after he saw the attack and had a chance to up his power (which was still higher than #16's strength), he still wasn't able to actually keep from being knocked back by it. With the Kienzan, its only real successes have been on targets that had their defenses down in one way or another (Gohan's Tail, Freeza's Tail, Gotenks Buu, etc)
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Insertclevername » Wed May 29, 2013 11:40 pm

Genki-Dama as it's pretty limitless. Just impractical.

Lucifer's Beam Cannon since it's an auto kill to pretty much most opponents.

Vegetto's fart.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu May 30, 2013 12:07 am

Insertclevername wrote:Genki-Dama as it's pretty limitless. Just impractical.

Lucifer's Beam Cannon since it's an auto kill to pretty much most opponents.

Vegetto's fart.
What is Lucifer's Beam cannon? Is it Akuman's attack or something?
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Thu May 30, 2013 5:46 am

Lucifer's beam cannon is from DB movie 2. It was going to be used to destroy the sun.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Insertclevername » Thu May 30, 2013 8:06 am

Woops, I meant Akkuman's attack! ^.^"
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Thu May 30, 2013 8:35 am

Ah, that's the Akumaito beam if i'm remembering right. :)
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by The Monkey King » Thu May 30, 2013 1:40 pm

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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu May 30, 2013 1:57 pm

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:Lucifer's beam cannon is from DB movie 2. It was going to be used to destroy the sun.
That's one haxed attack for a Dragon Ball character.
EDIT: I just watched the movie and that attack requires some sort of gemstone from what I could gather. Besides something tells me it's a magic thing not a raw power thing.
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Cardle grave » Thu May 30, 2013 8:29 pm

soul punisher should be the strongest. ITs a move that can beat tanked nor blocked. Practically a 1 hit kill
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Draken » Thu May 30, 2013 8:39 pm

Cardle grave wrote:soul punisher should be the strongest. ITs a move that can beat tanked nor blocked. Practically a 1 hit kill
We've seen it used once in a movie, how do you come to the conclusion it cannot be tanked nor blocked?
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Cardle grave » Thu May 30, 2013 8:46 pm

I dont know how anyone can tank a blast that attacks the inside
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by Draken » Thu May 30, 2013 9:03 pm

Be strong enough to not let the attack go inside you?
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by GogetaSSJ2 » Fri May 31, 2013 7:37 pm

Spirit Bomb. Come on people what kind of ridiculous question is this? :roll:
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Re: Most powerful move in DBZ

Post by IIMaxII » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:03 am

I'm going to go with Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho.
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