Piccolo is part god.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It would just feel out of place if Piccolo was suddenly the one fighting the God of destruction instead of 1 of the main 3.
In the manga Vegeta barely dodges one of Gohan's moves and then uses the Kienzan. Afterwards he can't move at all.Kid Buu wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyZyY8bRSk8
He seems to be moving pretty well right there.
And if anything Yajirobe weakened him the most, he knocked him out of Oozaru form.
dbzfan7 wrote:In the manga Vegeta barely dodges one of Gohan's moves and then uses the Kienzan. Afterwards he can't move at all.Kid Buu wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyZyY8bRSk8
He seems to be moving pretty well right there.
And if anything Yajirobe weakened him the most, he knocked him out of Oozaru form.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Perfectly fine? Perfectly fine is if he is at 100%. He is limping and forcing small jumps to get to people. His attacks are also so weak they can't even kill a crippled Goku. Even after Gohan whacks him he still can dodge out of the way from one attack.Kid Buu wrote:As you can see even in the manga Vegeta is moving perfectly fine until Oozaru Gohan whacked him with his fist.dbzfan7 wrote:In the manga Vegeta barely dodges one of Gohan's moves and then uses the Kienzan. Afterwards he can't move at all.Kid Buu wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyZyY8bRSk8
He seems to be moving pretty well right there.
And if anything Yajirobe weakened him the most, he knocked him out of Oozaru form.
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Dude the point is, he's still too much for them to handle until Oozaru Gohan knocked him out.dbzfan7 wrote: Perfectly fine? Perfectly fine is if he is at 100%. He is limping and forcing small jumps to get to people. His attacks are also so weak they can't even kill a crippled Goku. Even after Gohan whacks him he still can dodge out of the way from one attack.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
I said Oozaru Gohan finishes Vegeta off. Without Oozaru Gohan they all would have died. But, the Genki-Dama still did most of the job as it crippled Vegeta. Oozaru Gohan just Cherry picked Vegeta.Kid Buu wrote:Dude the point is, he's still too much for them to handle until Oozaru Gohan knocked him out.dbzfan7 wrote: Perfectly fine? Perfectly fine is if he is at 100%. He is limping and forcing small jumps to get to people. His attacks are also so weak they can't even kill a crippled Goku. Even after Gohan whacks him he still can dodge out of the way from one attack.
And if you're playing the residual damage game, then actually Yajirobe did the most damage to him, he managed to make Vegeta 10x weaker in one blow.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Okay, we were getting off topic from the off topic debateKid Buu wrote:Okay, we are literally going in circles here, I'm gonna end this discussion here so we can get back on topic.
Not exactly. Even though it was him who saved the day, he accomplished his ultimate goal by the end of the series: He became the 3rd strongest fighter in the universe (Vegetto doesn't count because he was a 1 time show), with only his two sons (Gohan & Goten (as Gotenks)) surpassing him, and 10 years later, we see two more potential successors of Goku: Pan & Oob.dbzfan7 wrote:My problem is that Goku's whole point in the Boo saga was basically discarded at the end as he didn't pass things on to the next generation and never does.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Good for him. He is still only barely stronger than SSJ Goten and Trunks. You do realize that this God ritual can be used by anyone right? It just makes sense in the old Dragon Ball fashion to give it to Goku. Furthermore this "stupid" God ritual basically forms the Kami of planet Vegeta. It's no less stupid than a Namekian turning into a God and watching over the Earth. I don't know if this is news to you but this is Goku's show. He is gonna be the one that stops the bad guy.Rocketman wrote:Piccolo is part god.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It would just feel out of place if Piccolo was suddenly the one fighting the God of destruction instead of 1 of the main 3.
Also they completely made up some bullshit GOD RITUAL to make ~*~*~*gokuuuuu*~*~*~ divine. It'd be no less stupid if Piccolo was the conduit, and would be more acceptable since he hasn't been whored out like fuckhead.
And Gohan's defeat of Cell?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Good for him. He is still only barely stronger than SSJ Goten and Trunks. You do realize that this God ritual can be used by anyone right? It just makes sense in the old Dragon Ball fashion to give it to Goku. Furthermore this "stupid" God ritual basically forms the Kami of planet Vegeta. It's no less stupid than a Namekian turning into a God and watching over the Earth. I don't know if this is news to you but this is Goku's show. He is gonna be the one that stops the bad guy.Rocketman wrote:Piccolo is part god.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It would just feel out of place if Piccolo was suddenly the one fighting the God of destruction instead of 1 of the main 3.
Also they completely made up some bullshit GOD RITUAL to make ~*~*~*gokuuuuu*~*~*~ divine. It'd be no less stupid if Piccolo was the conduit, and would be more acceptable since he hasn't been whored out like fuckhead.
We were arguing about this earlier. It was SUPPOSED to be Gohan's show after the Cell games but Toriyama dropped that idea for whatever reason. Yeah attentive, but Goku was still the star of the show until the Cell games and became the star again shortly after. He always beats the bad guy, save Cell. I would argue it's annoying but Goku IS the main character.Blade wrote:And Gohan's defeat of Cell?
Toriyama's Dragonball always told a story that not only encompassed but was highly attentive to multiple characters in each story arc.
Not really. Sure he got two sons to surpass him, but they aren't going to protect the Earth. They basically slack off while their dad does it. Goku gets Oob because he wants him to take over since Gohan and Goten won't. So he didn't accomplish his goal.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Not exactly. Even though it was him who saved the day, he accomplished his ultimate goal by the end of the series: He became the 3rd strongest fighter in the universe (Vegetto doesn't count because he was a 1 time show), with only his two sons (Gohan & Goten (as Gotenks)) surpassing him, and 10 years later, we see two more potential successors of Goku: Pan & Oob.dbzfan7 wrote:My problem is that Goku's whole point in the Boo saga was basically discarded at the end as he didn't pass things on to the next generation and never does.
He wanted to make his sons stronger than him, with him the 3rd strongest in the universe and he succeeded (if you don't count Beers & Whis). Even if they slack off, they are still stronger than Goku, even 10 years later (since Goku believed that he could loose against Oob, whom he believed to be equal to Pure Boo). And what do you mean that they aren't going to protect the Earth? You mean that if someone of Gohan's or Gotenks' level was to attack to Earth, they wouldn't do anything until (the weaker than them) Goku was to come? They did try to kill Boo. Sure, the messed around and got absorbed, but they tried. They did try to fight Beers, and got their asses kicked.dbzfan7 wrote:Not really. Sure he got two sons to surpass him, but they aren't going to protect the Earth. They basically slack off while their dad does it. Goku gets Oob because he wants him to take over since Gohan and Goten won't. So he didn't accomplish his goal.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Mystic is even more bullshit than SSJ God Form is.Rocketman wrote:Also they keep conveniently "forgetting" Gohan's Mystic powerup, probably because it'd break Goku over his knee.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Goku's goal was to get the boys to solve the problems of earth. It's why he didn't just kill Fat Boo right away. In the end he solves the problem and keeps on doing that with Battle of Gods,Wrath of the Dragon, and The Jump Special. His goal was to let Gohan and Gotenks take over. Yet they don't. Instead Goku opts to get a new successor because Gohan and Goten won't dedicate themselves to training even a little bit.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He wanted to make his sons stronger than him, with him the 3rd strongest in the universe and he succeeded (if you don't count Beers & Whis). Even if they slack off, they are still stronger than Goku, even 10 years later (since Goku believed that he could loose against Oob, whom he believed to be equal to Pure Boo). And what do you mean that they aren't going to protect the Earth? You mean that if someone of Gohan's or Gotenks' level was to attack to Earth, they wouldn't do anything until (the weaker than them) Goku was to come? They did try to kill Boo. Sure, the messed around and got absorbed, but they tried. They did try to fight Beers, and got their asses kicked.dbzfan7 wrote:Not really. Sure he got two sons to surpass him, but they aren't going to protect the Earth. They basically slack off while their dad does it. Goku gets Oob because he wants him to take over since Gohan and Goten won't. So he didn't accomplish his goal.
How? Gohan has his full potential unlocked through a ritual and enhanced beyond it's limits by the Elder Kaioshin magic. Goku gets ki from 5 saiyans and suddenly gets a massive boost out of nowhere that is far beyond the combined energy of the five Saiyans. What amplify's his power further. To top it off SSJG power can be accommodated into base form so that you can use most of it's power without the form.Kid Buu wrote:Mystic is even more bullshit than SSJ God Form is.
Gohan did have the Ultimate power-up in the movie.Rocketman wrote:Also they keep conveniently "forgetting" Gohan's Mystic powerup, probably because it'd break Goku over his knee.
In Movie 13, he was made stronger by Toe- ahem... I mean he trained and got stronger than them. In the JSAT, they just played around because there wasn't any danger. In BoG, the villain was stronger than even Vegetto, and Goku came & asked help to make him the Super Saiyan God.dbzfan7 wrote:Goku's goal was to get the boys to solve the problems of earth. It's why he didn't just kill Fat Boo right away. In the end he solves the problem and keeps on doing that with Battle of Gods,Wrath of the Dragon, and The Jump Special. His goal was to let Gohan and Gotenks take over. Yet they don't. Instead Goku opts to get a new successor because Gohan and Goten won't dedicate themselves to training even a little bit.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
