Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

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except he isn't the strongest. SSJ3 Goku still exists.This is obviously referring to Movie 8 when he is being regarded as the strongest.

- 1st i never said he was the strongest, His only the strongest saiyan form Movie 8 to Movie 11. And read the quote properly. it regarding why Broly was the first villain to appear in 3 movies and its because he was the set up as the strongest Saiyan.

Furthermore Gohan still overpowered Broly. Obviously Broly is stronger but he isn't that much stronger since he could actually budge and overpower Broly.

- He didn't over power broly, He barely move his hands forwards. And your logic makes no sense, If i was going by that logic then Janemba is weaker then SSJ since he went flying form Base goku and Vegeta Kick. Or his weaker the nappa since he didn't knock out Veku or Janemba is barely above Vegeta since he rather dodge him and tank him and also effected by Vegeta Ki blast. Gohan getting out of broly hold is a plot for Broly to go into the lava. I find it rather Stupid that he can tank a full force punch to the face with a smile but move form a Knee.

SSJ2 Kid Gohan is a lot stronger than M10 Gohan so he, from where I stand, can beat Broly easy.Cell is equal to if not stronger than that Gohan, until he get's that final rage boost of course, so he beats Broly too. SSJ2 Goku would ROFLstomp the ladder so he would crush Broly as well.

- Kid Buu 12 shot SSj2 vegeta, Fat buu God knows how many shots Majin vegeta. Are you implying that the gap between gohan Kid and Gohan adult is Bigger then a SSj3 to a SSj2 ?

- Plus Gohan said he was stronger in movie 10 not weaker. Thus making SSj2 M10>SSj2 Kid gohan

The reason Broly was only budged by the Kamehameha at the end was because he put up a Barrier. a Barrier is a concentrated Ki technique that allows you to increase your defense depending how much is concentrated. This allowed him to resist for a bit but he is ultimately done in.

- Another mistake on your part. If his shield was up it would have been sticking out of the kamehameha. And he wouldn't scream if it was up.

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I see no shield.

It took 2 SSj2 and SSJ+Broly distraction to overpower a blast that was only made for 1 SSj2 + had 1 hand controlling it.

Clearly broly is leagues ahead of any SSj2. The fact that goku and Gohan didn't go SSj2 straight away proves that if Broly hadn't gotten Distracted he still would of been in Control.

[miguelnuva1]

SSJ2 Goku did not appear or exist in the manga when M10 came out.

SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly(M10)>SSJ2 Gohan.

Actually, he did. Movie 10 came out on March 12, 1994. SSJ2 Goku appeared in February. The manga was halfway through the SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight when the movie came out.

SSJ2 Goku appeared or his burst? Also M10 was written before SSJ2 Goku. Finally M11 would say SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly.

[Cardle grave]

SSJ2 Goku did not appear or exist in the manga when M10 came out.

SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly(M10)>SSJ2 Gohan.

Actually, he did. Movie 10 came out on March 12, 1994. SSJ2 Goku appeared in February. The manga was halfway through the SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight when the movie came out.

SSJ2 Goku appeared or his burst? Also M10 was written before SSJ2 Goku. Finally M11 would say SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly.

So Toei makes people hair go up for the fun of it. And Movie 11 Doesn't say anything so i dont know where you got that from. if your talking about hell and M12. Then your wrong since M11 doesn't relate to M12

[Kamiccolo9]

SSJ2 Goku did not appear or exist in the manga when M10 came out.

SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly(M10)>SSJ2 Gohan.

Actually, he did. Movie 10 came out on March 12, 1994. SSJ2 Goku appeared in February. The manga was halfway through the SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight when the movie came out.

SSJ2 Goku appeared or his burst? Also M10 was written before SSJ2 Goku. Finally M11 would say SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly.

It was the fight with Majin Vegeta, so it was his full SSJ2 form, not the burst he showed against Yakon. Seeing as the Daizenshuu were written after the series was done, however implies to me that the interview was referring to Broly being stronger than the Saiyans that existed at the time.

As for M11, Goku had already used SSJ3 in the manga, so SSJ2 Goku is not necessarily stronger than LSSJ Broly.

[miguelnuva1]

SSJ2 Goku did not appear or exist in the manga when M10 came out.

SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly(M10)>SSJ2 Gohan.

Actually, he did. Movie 10 came out on March 12, 1994. SSJ2 Goku appeared in February. The manga was halfway through the SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight when the movie came out.

SSJ2 Goku appeared or his burst? Also M10 was written before SSJ2 Goku. Finally M11 would say SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly.

So Toei makes people hair go up for the fun of it. And Movie 11 Doesn't say anything so i dont know where you got that from. if your talking about hell and M12. Then your wrong since M11 doesn't relate to M12[/quote]

1. Goku had 1 bang before when firing the KHH wave as a SSJ1.

2. Goku is told to go to hell and stop the real Broly in m11 and his look shows he isn't worried. Since the universe isn't touched again and Toei loves Goku Goku must have won. FInally SSJ3 wasn't in the manga when M11 came out.

[Kamiccolo9]

2. Goku is told to go to hell and stop the real Broly in m11 and his look shows he isn't worried. Since the universe isn't touched again and Toei loves Goku Goku must have won. FInally SSJ3 wasn't in the manga when M11 came out.

Yes it was. SSJ3 appeared in June of 1994. Movie 11 came out in July.

[TheMightyOzaru]

- Another mistake on your part. If his shield was up it would have been sticking out of the kamehameha. And he wouldn't scream if it was up.

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I see no shield.

It took 2 SSj2 and SSJ+Broly distraction to overpower a blast that was only made for 1 SSj2 + had 1 hand controlling it.

Clearly broly is leagues ahead of any SSj2. The fact that goku and Gohan didn't go SSj2 straight away proves that if Broly hadn't gotten Distracted he still would of been in Control.

Umm no, go watch the movie. His shield didn't break upon making contact with the Kamehameha. It enveloped him along with the shield. Clearly Broly is not above any SSJ2. Hadn't been distracted by what? Nothing distracted him once in the movie... What on Earth are you referring to? No Broly fired multiple blasts at the Kamehameha and he couldn't stop it. He had no control. I love the one hand excuse, how does that infer anyone is less powerful when they are using one hand? When has that ever been the case?

1. Goku had 1 bang before when firing the KHH wave as a SSJ1.

2. Goku is told to go to hell and stop the real Broly in m11 and his look shows he isn't worried. Since the universe isn't touched again and Toei loves Goku Goku must have won. FInally SSJ3 wasn't in the manga when M11 came out.

What of Goten? He has the same hair style as Goku and his hair didn't go up at all.

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1. Goku had 1 bang before when firing the KHH wave as a SSJ1.

- Let me guess in the HBTC, We are talking about MSSJ buu saga Goku not SSJ goku before he achieved ASSJ let alone MSSJ

2. Goku is told to go to hell and stop the real Broly in m11 and his look shows he isn't worried. Since the universe isn't touched again and Toei loves Goku Goku must have won. FInally SSJ3 wasn't in the manga when M11 came out.[/quote]

- He stop to eat, Saying i cant fight on a empty stomach. And Goku could of been Hax. Your Point doesn't make sense. Does it mean that goku wasn't worried about Movie 8 broly since he stopped to eat ?

[miguelnuva1]

2. Goku is told to go to hell and stop the real Broly in m11 and his look shows he isn't worried. Since the universe isn't touched again and Toei loves Goku Goku must have won. FInally SSJ3 wasn't in the manga when M11 came out.

Yes it was. SSJ3 appeared in June of 1994. Movie 11 came out in July.

I'm talking about the time the move was written and most likely animated.

[Kamiccolo9]

2. Goku is told to go to hell and stop the real Broly in m11 and his look shows he isn't worried. Since the universe isn't touched again and Toei loves Goku Goku must have won. FInally SSJ3 wasn't in the manga when M11 came out.

Yes it was. SSJ3 appeared in June of 1994. Movie 11 came out in July.

I'm talking about the time the move was written and most likely animated.

Seeing as we don't actually see him fight, then it doesn't really matter in-universe. Out of universe, that could have been a last minute line, and I believe he also said he'd have Pikkon helping him.

[Cardle grave]

- Another mistake on your part. If his shield was up it would have been sticking out of the kamehameha. And he wouldn't scream if it was up.

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I see no shield.

It took 2 SSj2 and SSJ+Broly distraction to overpower a blast that was only made for 1 SSj2 + had 1 hand controlling it.

Clearly broly is leagues ahead of any SSj2. The fact that goku and Gohan didn't go SSj2 straight away proves that if Broly hadn't gotten Distracted he still would of been in Control.

Umm no, go watch the movie. His shield didn't break upon making contact with the Kamehameha. It enveloped him along with the shield. Clearly Broly is not above any SSJ2. Hadn't been distracted by what? Nothing distracted him once in the movie... What on Earth are you referring to? No Broly fired multiple blasts at the Kamehameha and he couldn't stop it. He had no control. I love the one hand excuse, how does that infer anyone is less powerful when they are using one hand? When has that ever been the case?

That pic was form the Movie. And i watch the movie more then a million times. If it Engulf, then the tip would be massive not a little bigger since Broly shield size > kamehameha Tip

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Trunks Ki blast distracted hit as Broly was 1 blast away form Finishing it and then fire multiple blast and still got caught in the mix of the explosion of the others. I don't Get it, Are those mutli Ki blast like the Omega blaster he fired against gohan in the beginning. Clearly not

Actually the one hand had been case. Go watch the moment where goku and Vegeta shot there Ki blast at each other and in the end they use to hands to put more power.

[Draken]

SSJ2 Goku did not appear or exist in the manga when M10 came out.

SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly(M10)>SSJ2 Gohan.

Actually, he did. Movie 10 came out on March 12, 1994. SSJ2 Goku appeared in February. The manga was halfway through the SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight when the movie came out.

There tends to be a large difference between release date and the actual production process.

[Kamiccolo9]

SSJ2 Goku did not appear or exist in the manga when M10 came out.

SSJ2 Goku> LSSJ Broly(M10)>SSJ2 Gohan.

Actually, he did. Movie 10 came out on March 12, 1994. SSJ2 Goku appeared in February. The manga was halfway through the SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight when the movie came out.

There tends to be a large difference between release date and the actual production process.

True, but the Daizenshuu statement came after both. So, I choose to go with it, and assume that the guy is comparing Broly to the Saiyans who existed at the time. Not saying I'm right, but I feel that it's a valid opinion

[Cardle grave]

Exactly, What Draken said is true. They Dont just make it up on the spot and just add it and release it

Kamiccolo is right, Who ever existed in between M8-m11 Broly is stronger.

[miguelnuva1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the entire Daiz came after all DBZ didn't it? What's stopping the creator's quote from saying Broly>Vegito then?

I still have the adults SSJ2's over Broly, Vegeta also calls Gohan trash so how can we say for sure Broly is stronger.

[Kamiccolo9]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the entire Daiz came after all DBZ didn't it? What's stopping the creator's quote from saying Broly>Vegito then?

I still have the adults SSJ2's over Broly, Vegeta also calls Gohan trash so how can we say for sure Broly is stronger.

Because he's referring to the Broly movies. Why bother comparing Broly to characters that appeared after he is already dead? I think it's pretty much a given that SSJ3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, and Vegetto are much stronger.

Exactly, What Draken said is true. They Dont just make it up on the spot and just add it and release it

Kamiccolo is right, Who ever existed in between M8-m11 Broly is stronger.

Well, like I said earlier, I don't think this applies to movie 11. Broly wasn't in the movie, and Bio Broly was obviously much weaker. So I think this quote applies only to movies 8 and 10.

[TheMightyOzaru]

- Another mistake on your part. If his shield was up it would have been sticking out of the kamehameha. And he wouldn't scream if it was up.

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I see no shield.

It took 2 SSj2 and SSJ+Broly distraction to overpower a blast that was only made for 1 SSj2 + had 1 hand controlling it.

Clearly broly is leagues ahead of any SSj2. The fact that goku and Gohan didn't go SSj2 straight away proves that if Broly hadn't gotten Distracted he still would of been in Control.

Umm no, go watch the movie. His shield didn't break upon making contact with the Kamehameha. It enveloped him along with the shield. Clearly Broly is not above any SSJ2. Hadn't been distracted by what? Nothing distracted him once in the movie... What on Earth are you referring to? No Broly fired multiple blasts at the Kamehameha and he couldn't stop it. He had no control. I love the one hand excuse, how does that infer anyone is less powerful when they are using one hand? When has that ever been the case?

That pic was form the Movie. And i watch the movie more then a million times. If it Engulf, then the tip would be massive not a little bigger since Broly shield size > kamehameha Tip

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Trunks Ki blast distracted hit as Broly was 1 blast away form Finishing it and then fire multiple blast and still got caught in the mix of the explosion of the others. I don't Get it, Are those mutli Ki blast like the Omega blaster he fired against gohan in the beginning. Clearly not

Actually the one hand had been case. Go watch the moment where goku and Vegeta shot there Ki blast at each other and in the end they use to hands to put more power.

It's like your choosing what to see. The Kamehameha tip is much larger than the shield he produced:
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Trunks Ki blast didn't distract him, it prevented Broly's blasts from making his attack bigger. Umm yes those ki blasts are exactly like the Omega Blaster he threw at Gohan . You can go on believing Broly is stronger if you want. I personally disagree since there is a lot of evidence supporting Cell > Broly from where I stand. How do we know Broly wasn't haxed at the end like you suggest Goku could be haxed at the end of movie 11? Broly's fight with Gohan suggests he isn't that much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan alone.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the entire Daiz came after all DBZ didn't it? What's stopping the creator's quote from saying Broly>Vegito then?

I still have the adults SSJ2's over Broly, Vegeta also calls Gohan trash so how can we say for sure Broly is stronger.

Because he's referring to the Broly movies. Why bother comparing Broly to characters that appeared after he is already dead? I think it's pretty much a given that SSJ3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, and Vegetto are much stronger.

Exactly, What Draken said is true. They Dont just make it up on the spot and just add it and release it

Kamiccolo is right, Who ever existed in between M8-m11 Broly is stronger.

Well, like I said earlier, I don't think this applies to movie 11. Broly wasn't in the movie, and Bio Broly was obviously much weaker. So I think this quote applies only to movies 8 and 10.

Its pretty much stated in the movie that Bio broly is nothing to M10 broly, I think Trunks said in Jap he pissed his pants when Broly came out but as they continue to fight on he said i can see through his moves like nothing.

I have Broly Close to SSj3 goku because of the whole 3 shot a SSj2 and kid buu 12 shot a SSj2. But that's if he vs a Strong SSj2. if he vs SSj2 gohan like manga gohan then i would say Close to fat buu.



t's like your choosing what to see. The Kamehameha tip is much larger than the shield he produced:
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Trunks Ki blast didn't distract him, it prevented Broly's blasts from making his attack bigger. Umm yes those ki blasts are exactly like the Omega Blaster he threw at Gohan . You can go on believing Broly is stronger if you want. I personally disagree since there is a lot of evidence supporting Cell > Broly from where I stand. How do we know Broly wasn't haxed at the end like you suggest Goku could be haxed at the end of movie 11? Broly's fight with Gohan suggests he isn't that much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan alone.

- You do know Broly is like 12 foot tall lol, And why would a charge the omega blast if he can just shoot randoms ones like that. Well I doubt Broly unless he got near death then goku needs to be hax. SSj2 adult gohan Movie 10>SSj2 kid gohan as he stated he is more powerful . Cell is not even coming close. Gohan said lava was the only way to beat him thus making lava>his kamehameha and Broly came out with scratches only while the kamehameha wiped cell of the planet.

Cell doesn't even come close. Really undertaker is the worst broly hater i seen and he doesn't even have SPC>broly M10

[Kamiccolo9]

Its pretty much stated in the movie that Bio broly is nothing to M10 broly, I think Trunks said in Jap he pissed his pants when Broly came out but as they continue to fight on he said i can see through his moves like nothing.

I have Broly Close to SSj3 goku because of the whole 3 shot a SSj2 and kid buu 12 shot a SSj2. But that's if he vs a Strong SSj2. if he vs SSj2 gohan like manga gohan then i would say Close to fat buu.

Personally, I feel like that's too high to place him. I have him around Mr. Buu level, so slightly stronger than Goku and Vegeta. I don't like comparing tanking feats from different characters, especially when one of those is Vegeta, who can take a beating like no other, so I go with what I have from official information and statements.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that SPC, Majin Vegeta, SS2 Goku, and kid Gohan would kick the crap out of the big ol' lug, and that Mr.Buu would one-shot him like trash. He was having trouble with someone that was called "pathetic" by pre-Majin Vegeta, which to me means they're equal at best.

Then again I see Mr.Buu as a beast. I think where I have him is around where most people have Fat Buu. I also think that both Mr.Buu and Gray Buu are several times stronger than the original Fat Buu.