Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

[TheGmGoken]

People overestimate Vegetto because some people accept the literal Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto, which is perfectly fine. Vegetto is the end game DBZ character, Whis and Beers aside. Even assuming Vegetto is that strong it's pretty simple to put Whis and Beers above that since they are end game Gods.

Plus people not only people accept Goku x Vegeta = Vegito but some people accept Goku X Vegeta PLUS the rival boast.

[RandomGuy96]

Because Vegetto is unlimited. He is the hope of the omniverse.

Yet, we see guys like Oozaru Baby, Super #17, Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, Shu Xing Long, Super Yi Xing Long, Super Saiyan God Goku, Beers, Whis, and possibly even more people from other Universes rivaling or surpassing Super Vegetto or even Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto.

People over power Broly far more then people over power Vegito.

I'm talking about this forum only.

Quote 1: I think he was jokiung. Plus SSJ 4 Goku and Vegeta < Vegito. SSJ4 Gogeta < SSJ 2 or 3 Vegito. All of the Shenrons < SSJ3 Vegito. MAYBE Xing Long maybe have a chance against SSJ2 Vegito. SSG Goku, Beers, Whis is debatable. But I have them above Vegito. You got to understand Vegito full power haven't been shown. Vegito was toying with Buu so who knows what is his power.

Quote 2: Unfair judgement then. More people over power Broly then they do Vegito.

No, Omega and SS4 Gogeta are light years ahead of SS3 Vegetto, that much is stated.

[TheMightyOzaru]

People overestimate Vegetto because some people accept the literal Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto, which is perfectly fine. Vegetto is the end game DBZ character, Whis and Beers aside. Even assuming Vegetto is that strong it's pretty simple to put Whis and Beers above that since they are end game Gods.

Plus people not only people accept Goku x Vegeta = Vegito but some people accept Goku X Vegeta PLUS the rival boast.

The times is the rival boost.

[VegettoEX]

No, Omega and SS4 Gogeta are light years ahead of SS3 Vegetto, that much is stated.

Who/where says this? I honestly don't know.

[TheGmGoken]

People overestimate Vegetto because some people accept the literal Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto, which is perfectly fine. Vegetto is the end game DBZ character, Whis and Beers aside. Even assuming Vegetto is that strong it's pretty simple to put Whis and Beers above that since they are end game Gods.

Plus people not only people accept Goku x Vegeta = Vegito but some people accept Goku X Vegeta PLUS the rival boast.

The times is the rival boost.

Really? I thought it was Goku X Vegeta + rival boast. Oh well learn new things everyday. But now I think about Vegito power can indeed change. Depending on when they fuse. If they fuse in BOG then Vegito would at least be 50% of Birshu considering SSG Goku was 70% of him. If they fused in DBGT.....Vegito would be weaker then Kid Goku

[TheGmGoken]

No, Omega and SS4 Gogeta are light years ahead of SS3 Vegetto, that much is stated.

Who/where says this? I honestly don't know.

I think he's using the famous saying when a character say "He's the strongest ki I've ever felt"

[VegettoEX]

Well, if that's the case, no-one's ever felt what a potential Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto ki would/could be. Right?

[TheGmGoken]

Well, if that's the case, no-one's ever felt what a potential Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto ki would/could be. Right?

That's why I think Vegito could rival at least 50% of Birshu. If I could go lower then I'll say 80% of SSG Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Plus SSJ 4 Goku and Vegeta < Vegito.

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4", and this statement was made when the only Super Saiyan 4 was Goku at that time, and since SS4 Vegeta is equal with Goku, their power should be able to rival that of Super Vegetto.

SSJ4 Gogeta < SSJ 2 or 3 Vegito.

We have SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, and SS3 Vegetto = Super Vegetto x8. SS4 Gogeta is stated to be many dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku & Vegeta, which means that SS4 Gogeta is far stronger than Vegetto.

All of the Shenrons < SSJ3 Vegito.

Si Xing Long was even with Super Saiyan 4 Goku. (Base & Super) Yi Xing Long, Oozaru Baby, and Super #17 are all stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Compare.

[RandomGuy96]

No, Omega and SS4 Gogeta are light years ahead of SS3 Vegetto, that much is stated.

Who/where says this? I honestly don't know.

Pretty sure that the guidebooks state that Vegetto (either all his power or only in his Super Saiyan state, it doesn't specify) is "only" as strong as a SS4, which is commonly taken to mean Goku. Syn tooled a SS4 and Omega is ten times stronger than Syn. And again, the only SS4 when that statement was made was Baby Saga Goku...

Vegetto is a shit stain compared to Omega and Gogeta.

Well, if that's the case, no-one's ever felt what a potential Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto ki would/could be. Right?

That was Baby Vegeta they were talking about, so simple math would determine that if first form Baby Vegeta is stronger than Super Vegetto, then his later forms and/or SS4 Goku would demolish SS3 Vegetto.

[TheGmGoken]

Plus SSJ 4 Goku and Vegeta < Vegito.

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4", and this statement was made when the only Super Saiyan 4 was Goku at that time, and since SS4 Vegeta is equal with Goku, their power should be able to rival that of Super Vegetto.

SSJ4 Gogeta < SSJ 2 or 3 Vegito.

We have SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, and SS3 Vegetto = Super Vegetto x8. SS4 Gogeta is stated to be many dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku & Vegeta, which means that SS4 Gogeta is far stronger than Vegetto.

All of the Shenrons < SSJ3 Vegito.

Si Xing Long was even with Super Saiyan 4 Goku. (Base & Super) Yi Xing Long, Oozaru Baby, and Super #17 are all stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Compare.

You said SSJ Vegito. I'm talking about Vegito at full power SSJ3. SSj4 Vegeta equal to Goku? Vegeta's ssj4 multiplier must be huge compares to Goku's.
You got to take account. We don't know Vegito's full power. Si xing was even with SSJ4 Goku which is weaker then Vegito. Also once again we dont know Vegito's full power. It's like seeing the world fastest man jug before he runs. Till you see it you can't see how fast he really is.

[TheGmGoken]

No, Omega and SS4 Gogeta are light years ahead of SS3 Vegetto, that much is stated.

Who/where says this? I honestly don't know.

Pretty sure that the guidebooks state that Vegetto (either all his power or only in his Super Saiyan state, it doesn't specify) is "only" as strong as a SS4, which is commonly taken to mean Goku. Syn tooled a SS4 and Omega is ten times stronger than Syn. And again, the only SS4 when that statement was made was Baby Saga Goku...

Vegetto is a shit stain compared to Omega and Gogeta.

Well, if that's the case, no-one's ever felt what a potential Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto ki would/could be. Right?

That was Baby Vegeta they were talking about, so simple math would determine that if first form Baby Vegeta is stronger than Super Vegetto, then his later forms and/or SS4 Goku would demolish SS3 Vegetto.

I think the guidebook meant SSJ Vegito. If they mean Full power Vegito that would be to much power even for DBGT.

[RandomGuy96]

Plus SSJ 4 Goku and Vegeta < Vegito.

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4", and this statement was made when the only Super Saiyan 4 was Goku at that time, and since SS4 Vegeta is equal with Goku, their power should be able to rival that of Super Vegetto.

SSJ4 Gogeta < SSJ 2 or 3 Vegito.

We have SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, and SS3 Vegetto = Super Vegetto x8. SS4 Gogeta is stated to be many dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku & Vegeta, which means that SS4 Gogeta is far stronger than Vegetto.

All of the Shenrons < SSJ3 Vegito.

Si Xing Long was even with Super Saiyan 4 Goku. (Base & Super) Yi Xing Long, Oozaru Baby, and Super #17 are all stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Compare.

You said SSJ Vegito. I'm talking about Vegito at full power SSJ3. SSj4 Vegeta equal to Goku? Vegeta's ssj4 multiplier must be huge compares to Goku's.
You got to take account. We don't know Vegito's full power. Si xing was even with SSJ4 Goku which is weaker then Vegito. Also once again we dont know Vegito's full power. It's like seeing the world fastest man jug before he runs. Till you see it you can't see how fast he really is.

Those statements and basic math tell us he's a shit stain compared to Omega and Gogeta. This really isn't that complicated. IMO that guidebook statement is still incredibly illogical and bloated Vegetto wank. He should be weaker than start of GT Goku in all forms.

[TheGmGoken]

I think Akira Toriyama should explain some more things about Dbz. Some-times I know he's not the type to explain and just do but we really need an explanation of Ki, Fusion, Vegito, SSG, and Whis. Toei needs to explain DBGT some more. It's the only way we can understand the show some more. No disrespect to Mr. Toriyama but he's not exactly the best a explaining things.

[RandomGuy96]

I think Akira Toriyama should explain some more things about Dbz. Some-times I know he's not the type to explain and just do but we really need an explanation of Ki, Fusion, Vegito, SSG, and Whis. Toei needs to explain DBGT some more. It's the only way we can understand the show some more. No disrespect to Mr. Toriyama but he's not exactly the best a explaining things.

For this debate there's no explanation needed... Omega >>> SS3 Vegetto is clear using basic math. And again, I still think that's bloated Vegetto wank considering how haxxed GT Goku is.

[TheGmGoken]

Plus SSJ 4 Goku and Vegeta < Vegito.

Super Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4", and this statement was made when the only Super Saiyan 4 was Goku at that time, and since SS4 Vegeta is equal with Goku, their power should be able to rival that of Super Vegetto.

SSJ4 Gogeta < SSJ 2 or 3 Vegito.

We have SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, and SS3 Vegetto = Super Vegetto x8. SS4 Gogeta is stated to be many dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku & Vegeta, which means that SS4 Gogeta is far stronger than Vegetto.

All of the Shenrons < SSJ3 Vegito.

Si Xing Long was even with Super Saiyan 4 Goku. (Base & Super) Yi Xing Long, Oozaru Baby, and Super #17 are all stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Compare.[/quote]

You said SSJ Vegito. I'm talking about Vegito at full power SSJ3. SSj4 Vegeta equal to Goku? Vegeta's ssj4 multiplier must be huge compares to Goku's.
You got to take account. We don't know Vegito's full power. Si xing was even with SSJ4 Goku which is weaker then Vegito. Also once again we dont know Vegito's full power. It's like seeing the world fastest man jug before he runs. Till you see it you can't see how fast he really is.[/quote]

Those statements and basic math tell us he's a shit stain compared to Omega and Gogeta. This really isn't that complicated. IMO that guidebook statement is still incredibly illogical and bloated Vegetto wank. He should be weaker than start of GT Goku in all forms.[/quote]

I'm saying we need to know Vegito's full power to understand his power compare to others. Who knows what power Vegito is hiding.

[RandomGuy96]

Except we know his power. The guides just told us. It's just trash compared to Omega.

[VegettoEX]

I think Akira Toriyama should explain some more things about Dbz. Some-times I know he's not the type to explain and just do but we really need an explanation of Ki, Fusion, Vegito, SSG, and Whis. Toei needs to explain DBGT some more. It's the only way we can understand the show some more. No disrespect to Mr. Toriyama but he's not exactly the best a explaining things.

He very purposefully doesn't explain these things, which -- quite honestly -- is one of the reasons I like it so much. If everything's just literally explained and mapped out, there's no spontaneity or interesting storytelling to be done.

Also, folks, please preview your posts before making them. Too many broken quotes!

[TheGmGoken]

I think Akira Toriyama should explain some more things about Dbz. Some-times I know he's not the type to explain and just do but we really need an explanation of Ki, Fusion, Vegito, SSG, and Whis. Toei needs to explain DBGT some more. It's the only way we can understand the show some more. No disrespect to Mr. Toriyama but he's not exactly the best a explaining things.

For this debate there's no explanation needed... Omega >>> SS3 Vegetto is clear using basic math. And again, I still think that's bloated Vegetto wank considering how haxxed GT Goku is.

I think there is. We need to know Vegito's full power. I understand Hax GT logic. But once again we need to know Vegito's full power. That's all I'm saying. Now I wonder if there was a GT Vegito would this debate be easier.

[TheGmGoken]

Except we know his power. The guides just told us. It's just trash compared to Omega.

The guide was talking about SSJ Vegito. Not SSJ3 Vegito. I know that's 8x Vegito. But Vegito got more tricks up his sleeves.