Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:25 pm

Rocketman wrote:Answer: comics are dumb.
Pretty much. However dumb is what makes them entertaining sometimes :lol: .
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:58 pm

Or Comics God is nerfed compared to Bible god...

Wait, if Spawn can kill God why does he still use guns!?
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:03 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Or Comics God is nerfed compared to Bible god...

Wait, if Spawn can kill God why does he still use guns!?
Probably because he was trained to use guns even though I find that stupid as godly powers are so much better.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:14 pm

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Wait, if Spawn can kill God why does he still use guns!?
He used guns earlier in the comics when he still had his necroplasm clock and it was easier to use guns in order to save time on his clock otherwise he would be send back to hell. Also Spawn didn't kill god, during the Armageddon arc he send both God and Satan into another universe since they were both completely immortal.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Wait, if Spawn can kill God why does he still use guns!?
He used guns earlier in the comics when he still had his necroplasm clock and it was easier to use guns in order to save time on his clock otherwise he would be send back to hell. Also Spawn didn't kill god, during the Armageddon arc he send both God and Satan into another universe since they were both completely immortal.
That's still bull shit. God created everything.... He can make his way out of some universe especially since he is supposed to posses Omnipotence.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:15 pm

M.O.M created everything in the Image omniverse and God is just the ruler of heaven. Both God and Satan were strong enough to destroy the universe and Spawn got god powers from M.O.M allowing him to be equal to both of them. Spawn give up his god powers after the Aramgeddon arc was over. I have no idea how strong current Spawn is because I stop reading around issue #203 or 204 because I didn't like the new direction that the story was going. King of Hell arc Spawn and God Spawn are his strongest forms from what I can remember.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:36 pm

They added someone above God? Ok....
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:33 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:They added someone above God? Ok....
Mom is more like the God from the bible and God himself is more akin to just the opposite of the devil.

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:They added someone above God? Ok....
Mom is more like the God from the bible and God himself is more akin to just the opposite of the devil.
Interesting...
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Post by GS7X7 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:43 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:M.O.M created everything in the Image omniverse and God is just the ruler of heaven. Both God and Satan were strong enough to destroy the universe and Spawn got god powers from M.O.M allowing him to be equal to both of them. Spawn give up his god powers after the Aramgeddon arc was over. I have no idea how strong current Spawn is because I stop reading around issue #203 or 204 because I didn't like the new direction that the story was going. King of Hell arc Spawn and God Spawn are his strongest forms from what I can remember.

Wow! That makes the powerups in One Piece look like nothing! :lol:

DBZ's the only anime with powerups that even match those of Spawn in terms of craziness.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:M.O.M created everything in the Image omniverse and God is just the ruler of heaven. Both God and Satan were strong enough to destroy the universe and Spawn got god powers from M.O.M allowing him to be equal to both of them. Spawn give up his god powers after the Aramgeddon arc was over. I have no idea how strong current Spawn is because I stop reading around issue #203 or 204 because I didn't like the new direction that the story was going. King of Hell arc Spawn and God Spawn are his strongest forms from what I can remember.

Wow! That makes the powerups in One Piece look like nothing! :lol:

DBZ's the only anime with powerups that even match those of Spawn in terms of craziness.
DBZ characters don't make drastic jumps though. Spawn goes from being some buffed Hellspawn that finds guns to be effective to someone capable of wiping out the entire universe. DBZ goes from boulder busters to Star/Solar System busters in a relatively steady power scaling process.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:They added someone above God? Ok....
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:17 pm

Kami isn't supposed to be Omnipotent though.
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Post by InfernalVegito » Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:20 pm

And neither is anyone who can be defeated against one's own will. Or can he? Paradoxical omnipotence yey.
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Post by Black_Liger » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:18 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I am still baffled at how he got away with killing GOD! The dude is Omnipotent, he is the epitome of someone who cannot be defeated :problem: .
Comics are so confusing sometimes, even some games like dragon quest kill God like he's a normal foe in an rpg madness lol.

The Christian God has omnipotence, omniscience and is omnipresent, comics usually only provide omniscience for a chance at him but they still lack all the other aspects of his personality, in my opinion God should be left alone in comics, because if he maintains all the aspects of his personality, anything else in the universe would in a worse disadvantage than an ant. and that's saying a lot lol. Power is too power hungry these days, I prefer stories with great emotional impact rather than god buster crappy power hungry tales.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:15 pm

But if they don't kill Jehovah, how are you gonna know how super-cool atheist they are?

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Rocketman wrote:But if they don't kill Jehovah, how are you gonna know how super-cool atheist they are?
Atheist, Christians, they can be pretty much the same, there are jerks among both ranks. sometimes people just want to kill god off in their stories to offend other people. I find that repulsive lol, there are close minded fools in all of those ranks, I myself respect everything regarding God. if I have to go against someone it's against jerks. but even them can believe or not believe whathever the heck they want lol

back to the subject of the topic, I think superman is the most ridiculously overpowered character in the story of comics lol. Goku has no chance in his current form, depending of the incarnation of superman we are dealing with, Goku has no chance against Superman prime. Mmm I wonder if Superman prime has a chance against Michael Demiurgos?... I dunno lol.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:13 pm

Superman the most overpowered characters in comics?

Yeah no.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:33 pm

Post Crisis Superman is not even the strongest superhero on Earth from what I can remember. I believe Hal Jordan has shown to be stronger then Superman before.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:47 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Post Crisis Superman is not even the strongest superhero on Earth from what I can remember. I believe Hal Jordan has shown to be stronger then Superman before.
Well, Post Crisis Hal Jordan was the Vengeance of God for a while, and was also host to the embodiment of fear when he was Parallex. Not sure about current Hal Jordan though.
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