Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku is in no way Omnipotent upon going SSJ God.

Sorry, I meant among the Saiyans. That's what God means anyway.

God doesn't mean Omnipotent. Omnipotent's definition is all powerful/can do anything. Goku is neither of those things.

[Hugo Boss]

Check this thread.

Thanks for the info, man. Your post is pretty much accurate.

Goku is in no way Omnipotent upon going SSJ God.

Sorry, I meant among the Saiyans. That's what God means anyway.

God doesn't mean Omnipotent. Omnipotent's definition is all powerful/can do anything. Goku is neither of those things.

Well, I gave a explanation to a member in the same reply that clarifies it. When two omnipotent beings on their leagues are fighting they are much comparable to a human fighting another or an ant fighting a spider, just for example. I don't mean to discuss the omnipotence-thing because it's a very relative term. Beers is omnipotent in relation to SS3 Goku but not to SSG. If you don't share the same opinion, we are even.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Omnipotence isn't relative .

[Hugo Boss]

Omnipotence isn't relative .

If you're thinking abstractely you're right, but it's not the same thing as you put the term in a concrete situation as a concept of a god. Actually, it's difficult to say there's absolute things in this world, even death I doubt lol. Sorry If I misunderstood you.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You cannot change the definition of Omnipotence to fit your preference .

[Draken]

Omnipotent means they can do whatever they want whenever they want and no one can stop them. They cannot be defeated. No one in DBZ is anywhere close to omnipotent. You seem to be very confused about the definition.

[TheGmGoken]

Omnipotent means they can do whatever they want whenever they want and no one can stop them. They cannot be defeated. No one in DBZ is anywhere close to omnipotent. You seem to be very confused about the definition.

Akira Toriyama is. According to Daizenshuu lol. He's above everyone else so in a way he is in the db series

[Draken]

Omnipotent means they can do whatever they want whenever they want and no one can stop them. They cannot be defeated. No one in DBZ is anywhere close to omnipotent. You seem to be very confused about the definition.

Akira Toriyama is. According to Daizenshuu lol. He's above everyone else so in a way he is in the db series

A knife says otherwise.

[TheGmGoken]

Omnipotent means they can do whatever they want whenever they want and no one can stop them. They cannot be defeated. No one in DBZ is anywhere close to omnipotent. You seem to be very confused about the definition.

Akira Toriyama is. According to Daizenshuu lol. He's above everyone else so in a way he is in the db series

A knife says otherwise.

Not in the DB world ^_^. He's above god(Birsu, Grand Kai ect). I'm sure a knife can't hurt Tori-bot

[Draken]

He had a halo and was dead watching Goku vs Pikkon. Dun dun dun.

[TheGmGoken]

He had a halo and was dead watching Goku vs Paikuhan. Dun dun dun.

He ran out of oil

[InfernalVegito]

There are actually more definitions and meanings of omnipotence, depending on what you mean by it in certain contexts. The most common being the general "can do everything" kind of definition. However, that definition becomes tricky because paradoxes arise easily then.

[Kamiccolo9]

There are actually more definitions and meanings of omnipotence, depending on what you mean by it in certain contexts. The most common being the general "can do everything" kind of definition. However, that definition becomes tricky because paradoxes arise easily then.

This. The "could an omipotent God create a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?" question comes to mind.
There are many characters in other media, especially comic books, that have characters who are "relatively omnipotent."

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fair enough but Goku is still not relatively Omnipotent. Tori-bot is the closest thing to Omnipotent this series has.

[rereboy]

There are actually more definitions and meanings of omnipotence, depending on what you mean by it in certain contexts. The most common being the general "can do everything" kind of definition. However, that definition becomes tricky because paradoxes arise easily then.

This. The "could an omipotent God create a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?" question comes to mind.
There are many characters in other media, especially comic books, that have characters who are "relatively omnipotent."

That's a logical paradox. It doesn't change the meaning of omnipotent. At most you can argue that the concept and meaning of omnipotent itself defies logic.

[Kamiccolo9]

There are actually more definitions and meanings of omnipotence, depending on what you mean by it in certain contexts. The most common being the general "can do everything" kind of definition. However, that definition becomes tricky because paradoxes arise easily then.

This. The "could an omipotent God create a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?" question comes to mind.
There are many characters in other media, especially comic books, that have characters who are "relatively omnipotent."

That's a logical paradox. It doesn't change the meaning of omnipotent.

I was just indicating one of the paradoxes that InfernalVegito mentioned. Various media seem to take a different view of omnipotence than what is generally meant by the word.

[rereboy]

I understand, but I think the true meaning of a word is more important and relevant than incorrect interpretations of the word by several media.

[TheMightyOzaru]

There are actually more definitions and meanings of omnipotence, depending on what you mean by it in certain contexts. The most common being the general "can do everything" kind of definition. However, that definition becomes tricky because paradoxes arise easily then.

This. The "could an omipotent God create a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?" question comes to mind.
There are many characters in other media, especially comic books, that have characters who are "relatively omnipotent."

That's a logical paradox. It doesn't change the meaning of omnipotent. At most you can argue that the concept and meaning of omnipotent itself defies logic.

Well if we break down Omnipotent to omni and potent you would find it just translates to all powerful. All powerful doesn't necessarily translate to can do anything. People have just accepted that to be part of it's definition.

[Kamiccolo9]

I understand, but I think the true meaning of a word is more important and relevant than incorrect interpretations of the word by several media.

There are numerous takes on the word "omnipotent," not just the "all-powerful" meaning. Looking at dictionary.com, it can also mean

1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2.having very great or unlimited authority or power.

The first is the most used, of course, but the second is technically correct. Marvel and DC pull this stuff all the time with their upper level cosmic beings, and technically, they are correct.

[rereboy]

Well if we break down Omnipotent to omni and potent you would find it just translates to all powerful. All powerful doesn't necessarily translate to can do anything. People have just accepted that to be part of it's definition.

All powerful, or in other words, power to do all.

I don't see any significant twist in meaning regarding its literal composition.