Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:20 am

Stupid.

Hugo Boss · Post by **Hugo Boss** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:40 am

Rocketman wrote:Stupid.

It sounds like a YouTube's comment. Come on, you're an old-school, man. Is my question off-topic or even stupid?

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:58 am

Hugo Boss wrote:
Draken wrote:A really really strong dude.
Well, I mean just one word lol. At first, I thought "ultimate" or "supreme".

I remember Super Saiyan levels had another name about ten years ago, like ultra, hyper and mega. So, SSG could be giga-like?

You're talking about Superman, so prime is a good choice too, maybe "alpha", "omega", any else?

You're going to far. It's just DBz lol. Just say he's strong or as Draken said.... "A really really strong dude"

Hugo Boss · Post by **Hugo Boss** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:35 am

Well, the discussion about SSG being stronger than Vegetto seems already over. On this new subject, maybe another thread when I get enough time to elaborate, I suggest just one word for describe SSG character, plus details please, not just typing aleatory posts. I know it's just DBZ. If there's one site I can bring another concepts there are not oficially stated by the creators but can be applied at some extent, here is the place, unless I'm seriously wrong. It looks like god doesn't fit this new form, because it lacks omnipotence, but a "really really strong dude" doesn't exactly tap what I'm looking for, it's still pretty vague. I can use it, example, for Mr. Satan, whom is the strongest average human. Anyway, thank you for the advice. I apreciate it.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:52 am

Hugo Boss wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Stupid.
It sounds like a YouTube's comment. Come on, you're an old-school, man. Is my question off-topic or even stupid?

You wanted one word to describe SSG. I gave you one.

Vegetto supremacy forever.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:17 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Like I said, Goku should have an estimate of SS3 Vegetto's power, I didn't say he knows exactly how strong SS3 Vegetto would be. Since Goku was Super Vegetto, he should know Super Vegetto's true power. And since he is experienced with Super Saiyan 3, having transformed into it lots of times, he should know that it makes the user around 4 times stronger. If he could guess how strong Goten & Trunks would be if they had used Fusion & Super Saiyan (he knew the true power of Goten & Trunks, the power of Super Saiyan, and the power of Fusion), then it shouldn't be hard to guess SS3 Vegetto's power (since he knows the power of Super Vegetto, and the power of Super Saiyan 3).

He doesn't say "I never knew I could reach this realm", he says something like "I never knew there was a realm like this". Sounds very clear to me.

Fair points on both accounts, but Vegetto himself once again was still surprised by his own power. It wouldn't be far-fetched for Vegetto to be underestimated again in-universe. Not saying it wouldn't be far-fetched for him to be overestimated in-universe either, though.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:19 am

Hugo Boss wrote:Well, the discussion about SSG being stronger than Vegetto seems already over. On this new subject, maybe another thread when I get enough time to elaborate, I suggest just one word for describe SSG character, plus details please, not just typing aleatory posts. I know it's just DBZ. If there's one site I can bring another concepts there are not oficially stated by the creators but can be applied at some extent, here is the place, unless I'm seriously wrong. It looks like god doesn't fit this new form, because it lacks omnipotence, but a "really really strong dude" doesn't exactly tap what I'm looking for, it's still pretty vague. I can use it, example, for Mr. Satan, whom is the strongest average human. Anyway, thank you for the advice. I apreciate it.

You really need a new thread just to find a word to explain Super Saiyan God? It was stated early in Dragonball that's no one is omnipotence as there is always someone stronger out there. You can't say SSG lacks the god quality since it lacks omnipotence.
The Kai = Gods.
Dende = God.
Kami = God.
Birsu = God
Supreme Kais = Gods
Grand Kai = God.

All of them are not omnipotence. Dragonball use the term God loosely. You don't need to be omnipotence to be a god in dbz. I'm sorry if this sounds rude but where in the hell did you get that idea!? You need a word to describe SSG? Strong! That's it. You're making this into a Sherlock and Detective Conan case. This is DBZ! When a power guy arrives they call him unrealistic or extremely strong/powerful. Jeez. Once again sorry if this is rude but damn. It's isn't that f****ing complex. Toriyama said God is an exaggeration but he went with it. Dbz's Gods are just jobs and used loosely. I know I can't tell you what to do but please don't make that topic. It's pointless. It's easy as blinking to tell what SSG is. A strong form. It no other words that's needed.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:27 am

Yeah, the fact that the Christian God, and "god"s in Dragon Ball, Super Saiyan God included, are not the same thing, they do not have the same properties, etc shouldn't even warrant a discussion.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:38 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:Well, the discussion about SSG being stronger than Vegetto seems already over. On this new subject, maybe another thread when I get enough time to elaborate, I suggest just one word for describe SSG character, plus details please, not just typing aleatory posts. I know it's just DBZ. If there's one site I can bring another concepts there are not oficially stated by the creators but can be applied at some extent, here is the place, unless I'm seriously wrong. It looks like god doesn't fit this new form, because it lacks omnipotence, but a "really really strong dude" doesn't exactly tap what I'm looking for, it's still pretty vague. I can use it, example, for Mr. Satan, whom is the strongest average human. Anyway, thank you for the advice. I apreciate it.
You really need a new thread just to find a word to explain Super Saiyan God? It was stated early in Dragonball that's no one is omnipotence as there is always someone stronger out there. You can't say SSG lacks the god quality since it lacks omnipotence.
The Kai = Gods.
Dende = God.
Kami = God.
Birsu = God
Supreme Kais = Gods
Grand Kai = God.

All of them are not omnipotence. Dragonball use the term God loosely. You don't need to be omnipotence to be a god in dbz. I'm sorry if this sounds rude but where in the hell did you get that idea!? You need a word to describe SSG? Strong! That's it. You're making this into a Sherlock and Detective Conan case. This is DBZ! When a power guy arrives they call him unrealistic or extremely strong/powerful. Jeez. Once again sorry if this is rude but damn. It's isn't that f****ing complex. Toriyama said God is an exaggeration but he went with it. Dbz's Gods are just jobs and used loosely. I know I can't tell you what to do but please don't make that topic. It's pointless. It's easy as blinking to tell what SSG is. A strong form. It no other words that's needed.

I don't mean to be picky but... you're using the wrong form of omnipotence. Every time you used the word it should be omnipotent. For example; he was an omnipotent being. Versus omnipotence, which would be "so this is what passes for omnipotence nowadays"

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:05 am

Zephyr wrote:Fair points on both accounts, but Vegetto himself once again was still surprised by his own power. It wouldn't be far-fetched for Vegetto to be underestimated again in-universe. Not saying it wouldn't be far-fetched for him to be overestimated in-universe either, though.

He was surprised initially because he had no idea how the Potara worked and what power-up they give. Once he tested his power, he finally learned what his true power is. Even if Goku was underestimating SS3 Vegetto's power (I do believe actually, that if Goku & Vegeta had became Vegetto again & turn SS3, he would be surprised), I don't think he would underestimate so much that Vegetto would get power that he never thought it even existed. Which is why I believe that SSG Goku is on a completely different level from SS3 Vegetto.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:21 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Stupid.
It sounds like a YouTube's comment. Come on, you're an old-school, man. Is my question off-topic or even stupid?
You wanted one word to describe SSG. I gave you one.

Vegetto supremacy forever.

Oh Rocketman

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hleV · Post by **hleV** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:31 pm

Vegetto is the most supreme being in DB. In the manga and even in the anime he displayed abilities no-one else could ever hope to have. Neither anyone from fillers nor GT nor movies.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:34 pm

hleV wrote:Vegetto is the most supreme being in DB. In the manga and even in the anime he displayed abilities no-one else could ever hope to have. Neither anyone from fillers nor GT nor movies.

BoG states otherwise. Goku said he didn't think such a realm of power even existed. He is beyond the likes of Vegetto. Also what feats? All he did was beat Buu

. It's also stated that Vegetto might be stronger than SSJ4 in the GT perfect files. Might implies barely which means SSJ4 Gogeta most certainly is above the likes of Vegetto.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:50 pm

Yeah, that's the way I figure it. The only people stronger than Super Vegetto (not necessarily counting Super Saiyan 2 and/or 3, mind) are the "true gods" from Battle of Gods and the absolute heaviest hitters of GT.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:06 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
hleV wrote:Vegetto is the most supreme being in DB. In the manga and even in the anime he displayed abilities no-one else could ever hope to have. Neither anyone from fillers nor GT nor movies.
BoG states otherwise. Goku said he didn't think such a realm of power even existed. He is beyond the likes of Vegetto. Also what feats? All he did was beat Buu . It's also stated that Vegetto might be stronger than SSJ4 in the GT perfect files. Might implies barely which means SSJ4 Gogeta most certainly is above the likes of Vegetto.

I couldn't care less about what Goku says in a movie.
Vegetto remained conscious and as powerful in a form of candy. Displayed the ability to create a barried which protects him from being absorbed by Boo. Has a fucking ki sword! And that doesn't even touch anime.
GT Perfect Files is anime-based. The manga-based guidebook SEG has Vegetto as Goku x Vegeta and I take it literally, as in the context, battle power and Potara being closer to a multiplication is mentioned.

SSG sucks, Vegetto for life. /fanboyism

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:37 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zephyr wrote:Fair points on both accounts, but Vegetto himself once again was still surprised by his own power. It wouldn't be far-fetched for Vegetto to be underestimated again in-universe. Not saying it wouldn't be far-fetched for him to be overestimated in-universe either, though.
He was surprised initially because he had no idea how the Potara worked and what power-up they give. Once he tested his power, he finally learned what his true power is. Even if Goku was underestimating SS3 Vegetto's power (I do believe actually, that if Goku & Vegeta had became Vegetto again & turn SS3, he would be surprised), I don't think he would underestimate so much that Vegetto would get power that he never thought it even existed. Which is why I believe that SSG Goku is on a completely different level from SS3 Vegetto.

Fair enough. I just have trouble, of all things from the movie, grasping that an artificial form created by combining the ki of six Saiyans can out-power the most supremely powerful form of a gag-tier-power character. But hey, wouldn't be a new Dragon Ball product without some headaches being created.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:38 pm

hleV wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
hleV wrote:Vegetto is the most supreme being in DB. In the manga and even in the anime he displayed abilities no-one else could ever hope to have. Neither anyone from fillers nor GT nor movies.
BoG states otherwise. Goku said he didn't think such a realm of power even existed. He is beyond the likes of Vegetto. Also what feats? All he did was beat Buu . It's also stated that Vegetto might be stronger than SSJ4 in the GT perfect files. Might implies barely which means SSJ4 Gogeta most certainly is above the likes of Vegetto.
I couldn't care less about what Goku says in a movie.
Vegetto remained conscious and as powerful in a form of candy. Displayed the ability to create a barried which protects him from being absorbed by Boo. Has a fucking ki sword! And that doesn't even touch anime.
GT Perfect Files is anime-based. The manga-based guidebook SEG has Vegetto as Goku x Vegeta and I take it literally, as in the context, battle power and Potara being closer to a multiplication is mentioned.

SSG sucks, Vegetto for life. /fanboyism

It doesn't matter, you implied nothing in GT or filler could beat Vegetto. You're wrong because the GT perfect files and BoG states otherwise. Oh and who is to say SSJ God Goku, SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Gogeta, etc couldn't beat the shit outta Buu as a candy? Who is to say that anime Vegetto isn't A x B. Nothing implies that he isn't. Whoopdy doo, he has a Ki sword, so does Salza. Is he the strongest in the universe?

BoG also follows the manga as if it were a sequel. Whether you think it's canon or not is irrelevant in this situation. Goku's claim supports SSJ God being superior to anything Vegetto can do.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:43 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Goku's claim supports SSJ God being superior to anything Vegetto can do.

Barring SSj4 of course.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:51 pm

Zephyr wrote:Fair enough. I just have trouble, of all things from the movie, grasping that an artificial form created by combining the ki of six Saiyans can out-power the most supremely powerful form of a gag-tier-power character. But hey, wouldn't be a new Dragon Ball product without some headaches being created.

Potara combines 2 powers & 2 bodies, while Super Saiyan God combines 6 powers in one body.

Zephyr wrote:Barring SSj4 of course.

Super Vegetto is "perhaps" stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku, which makes Super Saiyan God Goku much stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. (I also have SSG Goku stronger than SS4 Gogeta, but it's entirely opinion based.)

Hugo Boss · Post by **Hugo Boss** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:00 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Rocketman wrote:You wanted one word to describe SSG. I gave you one.
Vegetto supremacy forever.
Oh Rocketman .

I'm newbie in this forum, this not an attitude that anyone would expect from old-school members. I'm having some problems here. However, you might be kidding judging from this last quote. I apologize if this is the case.

TheGmGoken wrote:You really need a new thread just to find a word to explain Super Saiyan God? It was stated early in Dragonball that's no one is omnipotence as there is always someone stronger out there. You can't say SSG lacks the god quality since it lacks omnipotence.
The Kai = Gods.
Dende = God.
Kami = God.
Birsu = God
Supreme Kais = Gods
Grand Kai = God.

All of them are not omnipotence. Dragonball use the term God loosely. You don't need to be omnipotence to be a god in dbz. I'm sorry if this sounds rude but where in the hell did you get that idea!? You need a word to describe SSG? Strong! That's it. You're making this into a Sherlock and Detective Conan case. This is DBZ! When a power guy arrives they call him unrealistic or extremely strong/powerful. Jeez. Once again sorry if this is rude but damn. It's isn't that f****ing complex. Toriyama said God is an exaggeration but he went with it. Dbz's Gods are just jobs and used loosely. I know I can't tell you what to do but please don't make that topic. It's pointless. It's easy as blinking to tell what SSG is. A strong form. It no other words that's needed.

Dude, it seems you're really misunderstanding me. Maybe my english doesn't sound very well because I'm from Brazil, but I insist on explaining my thoughts and show my real intentions. The way I or a restrict group of DBZ brazilian and european fans conceive god-omnipotence quality exclude any of DBZ characters, including god-named characters like Kami in the original manga or Beerus in DBZ movies. God is a cool name to give to very powerful characters, but it is too exagerate assuming that characters lack omnipotence. Then, if you accept my sugestion seriously, give another name to the SSG transformation. I went that far, because it's a search for a Portuguese forum that I'm from (Dragon Ball - PT). It's not that complex like you're impliying, it's a simple question for 13-19 aged fans. Kanzenshuu is quite popular so I came here to collect your opinion and give credits for. Anyway, I would need a topic for that, but first I needed to know how you would react with the idea. Unfortunately, it was a failure test. I would be glad if you at least send me a PM explaining why you would chose " (?) Super 'Saiyan". For example,

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