Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

[Zephyr]

Fair enough. I just have trouble, of all things from the movie, grasping that an artificial form created by combining the ki of six Saiyans can out-power the most supremely powerful form of a gag-tier-power character. But hey, wouldn't be a new Dragon Ball product without some headaches being created.

Potara combines 2 powers & 2 bodies, while Super Saiyan God combines 6 powers in one body.

It's that the Potara combines everything about the two bodies. The mind, the combat ability, rivalry, etc. SSjG is just combining ki from a few guys, which we've seen many times before. The only difference is that it's six pure hearted Saiyans. I can understand that they're making a distinction that way, but why does the fact that it's six pure hearted Saiyans donating power somehow make the powerup exponentially more powerful than the most powerful form of the most powerful fusion? That's why I'm more inclined to interpret Goku's line as implying without fusion. Even if it's clutching at straws, it doesn't make any less sense than SSjG being as powerful as it is simply for the sake of being as powerful as it is, given the way it's achieved.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Why does dancing like idiots combines two brats & makes them stronger than the main character?

But in all seriousness, Potara combines everything, like you said, while SSG combines only power. Since ones personality & feelings affect his ki (for example, Goku can tell if someone is evil from his ki), you can see this as something like a chemical reaction. Combine 6 pure Saiya powers into one Saiya body, and poof! They multiply by hundreds of times.

[Draken]

Fair enough. I just have trouble, of all things from the movie, grasping that an artificial form created by combining the ki of six Saiyans can out-power the most supremely powerful form of a gag-tier-power character. But hey, wouldn't be a new Dragon Ball product without some headaches being created.

Potara combines 2 powers & 2 bodies, while Super Saiyan God combines 6 powers in one body.

It's that the Potara combines everything about the two bodies. The mind, the combat ability, rivalry, etc. SSjG is just combining ki from a few guys, which we've seen many times before. The only difference is that it's six pure hearted Saiyans. I can understand that they're making a distinction that way, but why does the fact that it's six pure hearted Saiyans donating power somehow make the powerup exponentially more powerful than the most powerful form of the most powerful fusion? That's why I'm more inclined to interpret Goku's line as implying without fusion. Even if it's clutching at straws, it doesn't make any less sense than SSjG being as powerful as it is simply for the sake of being as powerful as it is, given the way it's achieved.

Well with Beers beings stated without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z (which would mean Beers could easily beat Vegetto 10/10 times, for there to be no doubt), Goku saying he never knew a realm of power existed (in general, not for him, not for him to achieve, but existed in general), it makes about as much sense as Dragon Ball does in general. So I don't find it too hard to believe.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I honestly don't see why SSJ God being above Vegetto is so hard to believe.

[TheGmGoken]

Dude, it seems you're really misunderstanding me. Maybe my english doesn't sound very well because I'm from Brazil, but I insist on explaining my thoughts and show my real intentions. The way I or a restrict group of DBZ brazilian and european fans conceive god-omnipotence quality exclude any of DBZ characters, including god-named characters like Kami in the original manga or Beerus in DBZ movies. God is a cool name to give to very powerful characters, but it is too exagerate assuming that characters lack omnipotence. Then, if you accept my sugestion seriously, give another name to the SSG transformation. I went that far, because it's a search for a Portuguese forum that I'm from (Dragon Ball - PT). It's not that complex like you're impliying, it's a simple question for 13-19 aged fans. Kanzenshuu is quite popular so I came here to collect your opinion and give credits for. Anyway, I would need a topic for that, but first I needed to know how you would react with the idea. Unfortunately, it was a failure test. I would be glad if you at least send me a PM explaining why you would chose " (?) Super 'Saiyan". For example,

Spoiler:

Vegeta Super Saiyajin Dai Ni Dankai - Ultra Super Saiyan
Trunks Super Saiyajin Dai San Dankai - Ultra Super Saiyan 2
Goku Super Saiyajin Dai Yon Dankai - Super Saiyan Full Power
Gohan Super Saiyajin 2 (or Dai Go Dankai) - Hyper Super Saiyan
Goku Super Saiyajin 3 - Mega Super Saiyan
Goku Super Saiyajin 4 - Omega Super Saiyan
Super Saiyajin Goddo - (?)

Dude I'm not making this complex. You are. The definition of "God" in DBZ-DB-DBGT is much different from that actually or most common definition. As I said. God is just a strong guy, that's it. Gotenks once called himself God of destruction but that was talking about his power. I though that was kinda implied from DB-dbz. Gods are just strong people. The term is used loosely. You don't need a thread to ask what word can describe the gods. They're strong people that's it. Yes, they watch over the universe to a degree but they're just strong people. It's DBZ-DB-DBGT; it's not that complex.

You're also taking the names that are underneath Usernames too seriously. They pretty much relate to how many post you made.

I don't mean to be picky but... you're using the wrong form of omnipotence. Every time you used the word it should be omnipotent. For example; he was an omnipotent being. Versus omnipotence, which would be "so this is what passes for omnipotence nowadays"

Thanks I didn't know how to spell the form of that word.

[Kaboom]

TheGmGoken, please work on your spelling and grammar, and try to edit your posts to include more content rather than double- or triple-posting.

[Draken]

TheGmGoken, please work on your spelling and grammar, and try to edit your posts to include more content rather than double- or triple-posting.

Oh that's why people keep typing with red LOL. I was always like, "ugh, why do people insist on making their posts such an eye-sore with red every other word?"

Never knew it was just an admin working behind the scenes

[Zephyr]

Combine 6 pure Saiya powers into one Saiya body, and poof! They multiply by hundreds of times.

But we've seen similar things so many times before, that it seems stupid for it to just go completely off the scale this time just because the Saiyans have pure hearts.

Well with Beers beings stated without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z (which would mean Beers could easily beat Vegetto 10/10 times, for there to be no doubt), Goku saying he never knew a realm of power existed (in general, not for him, not for him to achieve, but existed in general), it makes about as much sense as Dragon Ball does in general. So I don't find it too hard to believe.

Beers is fine. He's the God of Destruction, it'd make sense for him to be above anything conceivable.

But at the same time, good point. It's Dragon Ball, not making sense is kind of it's prerogative.

[Draken]

If Beers is above and beyond Vegetto and Goku put up a fight to 70% of Beers, then Goku kinda has to be stronger than Vegetto as well, just by a smaller margin.

Yea, just go with "It's Dragon Ball, fuck logic."

We've seen it many times before but it's GT, so you can also just say "It's GT, fuck logic. BoG did it the correct way."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But we've seen similar things so many times before, that it seems stupid for it to just go completely off the scale this time just because the Saiyans have pure hearts.

I believe that the pure heart is a condition because Saiyans by their nature are not pure hearted, which would make Super Saiyan God, the most powerful transformation, extremely hard to achieve.
And also, it's not the first time a pure heart is one of the conditions to transform. Remember the conditions for Super Saiyan? Battle power beyond the Saiyan limits, dangerous situation, extreme anger, and pure heart.

[TheGmGoken]

TheGmGoken, please work on your spelling and grammar, and try to edit your posts to include more content rather than double- or triple-posting.

Oh that's why people keep typing with red LOL. I was always like, "ugh, why do people insist on making their posts such an eye-sore with red every other word?"

Never knew it was just an admin working behind the scenes

Yeah I hate that. They could have chose a better color lol. That's why I change it back to the regular colors.

[MDSTSSJ]

Barring SSj4 of course.

Super Vegetto is "perhaps" stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku, which makes Super Saiyan God Goku much stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. (I also have SSG Goku stronger than SS4 Gogeta, but it's entirely opinion based.)

How SSJG Goku is stronger than SSJ4 Beyond Limits or even SSJ4 Gogeta the most powerful being in the DB history??? I have a different opinion my friend!

Let´s see:

SSJG Kakarotto is a SSJ3 Goku plus the power of a 6 Saiyans.

SSJ4 Kakarotto is a very powerful transformation above SSJ3.

SSJ4 Goku Beyond Limits is a combination of SSJ4 plus the power of 3 Saiyans. One more powerful transformation above SSJ3 plus 3 Saiyans = SSJ4 Goku Beyond Limits is stronger than SSJG Goku.

SSJ4 Gogeta is too damn powerful.

That´s the way I see it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSJ4 Goku Beyond Limits is a combination of SSJ4 plus the power of 3 Saiyans. One more powerful transformation above SSJ3 plus 3 Saiyans = SSJ4 Goku Beyond Limits is stronger than SSJG Goku.

There is no way that SS4 Goku became more than 10 times more powerful just with SS Gohan's, Goten's, and Trunks' power. SS3 Vegetto is than 8 times stronger than SS4 Goku, and SSG Goku is way stronger than SS3 Vegetto.

SSJ4 Gogeta is too damn powerful.

I won't argue with you on this. I have SSG Goku, Beers, and Whis beyond SS4 Gogeta because I like thinking them as the most powerful beings in the franchise. There is no evidence to back up my opinion, but there is also no evidence to prove my opinion wrong.

[Draken]

SSJG Kakarotto is a SSJ3 Goku plus the power of a 6 Saiyans.

That's where you're wrong and makes the rest of your theory faulty. First off SSJ3 has nothing to do with SSG. Second of all, the ritual was specified to NOT just add up battle powers, but did something else, something special, that actually made Goku into a God (in the DB sense) and gave him special ki. When it was just 5 pure hearted Saiyans, THEN it was just Goku with the power of 5 other Saiyans added to him. But something about that sixth Saiyan made it different and gave him the SSG transformation, which is above and beyond merely adding their powers to him. Otherwise Base Vegetto > SSG Goku.

[Hugo Boss]

Dude I'm not making this complex. You are. The definition of "God" in DBZ-DB-DBGT is much different from that actually or most common definition.

I understand how much god concept works on DBZ but it's seems still inappropriate for the reasons you, I and others users gave. I don't mean to complex things, I just made a simple question you can reply or not, but explaining with detailed information and showing some respect. My interest is in your opinion about a name and you're intelligent enough to think about one. Come on, this is Kanzenshuu. I would apreciate if any of you guys lead me to the right place in this forum that I can made that kind of question or, as I said, just reply me on a PM.

You're also taking the names that are underneath Usernames too seriously. They pretty much relate to how many post you made.

The system that I'm used to gives old-school title to distinct members. I took that into consideration, the number is not important, maybe Kanzenshuu works in a different way. To the number of posts we use rankbars according to character strenght.

[MDSTSSJ]

There is no way that SS4 Goku became more than 10 times more powerful just with SS Gohan's, Goten's, and Trunks' power. SS3 Vegetto is than 8 times stronger than SS4 Goku, and SSG Goku is way stronger than SS3 Vegetto.

Why not? Remember the differences in terms of power between SSJ, SSJ Grade 2, SSJ Grade 3 or FPSSJ without anybody powers. The power of a 3 Super Saiyans increase more than 10 times Is pretty conceivable.

My new second and hypothetical thought: SSJ4 plus 3 and SSJ3 plus 5 maybe more or less are equals. Suppose that SSJ4 is more than 10 times stronger than SSJ3 ( I personally have SSJ4 x60 times stronger at least than SSJ3 ). If SSJ3 plus 5 is 20 times stronger than normal SSJ4, then SSJ4 plus 3 reaches the power of SSJG. Hypothetical SSJ4 plus 3 = SSJ3 plus 5.

I won't argue with you on this. I have SSG Goku, Beers, and Whis beyond SS4 Gogeta because I like thinking them as the most powerful beings in the franchise. There is no evidence to back up my opinion, but there is also no evidence to prove my opinion wrong.

Fair enough!!!

[TheGmGoken]

Dude I'm not making this complex. You are. The definition of "God" in DBZ-DB-DBGT is much different from that actually or most common definition.

I understand how much god concept works on DBZ but it's seems still inappropriate for the reasons you, I and others users gave. I don't mean to complex things, I just made a simple question you can reply or not, but explaining with detailed information and showing some respect. My interest is in your opinion about a name and you're intelligent enough to think about one. Come on, this is Kanzenshuu. I would apreciate if any of you guys lead to the right site in this forum that I can made that kind of question.

You're also taking the names that are underneath Usernames too seriously. They pretty much relate to how many post you made.

The system that I'm used to gives old-school title to distinct members. I took that into consideration, the number is not important, maybe Kanzenshuu works in a different way. To the number of posts we use rankbars according to character strenght.

Lol you're over-hyping Kanzennshuu . Most of our answers are just inference or conclusion of hat the series gave us. The series gave us Gods who are just strong people. Can't change that lol. Kanzennshuu ranks are really just based on how many post you've made.

[MDSTSSJ]

SSJG Kakarotto is a SSJ3 Goku plus the power of a 5 Saiyans.

That's where you're wrong and makes the rest of your theory faulty. First off SSJ3 has nothing to do with SSG. Second of all, the ritual was specified to NOT just add up battle powers, but did something else, something special, that actually made Goku into a God (in the DB sense) and gave him special ki. When it was just 5 pure hearted Saiyans, THEN it was just Goku with the power of 5 other Saiyans added to him. But something about that sixth Saiyan made it different and gave him the SSG transformation, which is above and beyond merely adding their powers to him. Otherwise Base Vegetto > SSG Goku.

Mmm the SSJ3 in terms of power, has to do with the SSJG according to my understanding and what I´ve read on BoG´s synopsis. Why Kakarotto ask Sheng Long about how achieve more power?

The BoG´s 5 Saiyan ritual is add power to a powerful being to achieve a legendary magical transformation.

[Hugo Boss]

Lol you're over-hyping Kanzennshuu . Most of our answers are just inference or conclusion of what the series gave us. The series gave us Gods who are just strong people. Can't change that lol. Kanzennshuu ranks are really just based on how many post you've made.

Maybe, but look to where I'm from. I'm not here without a reason. Most of our information are based on Kanzenshuu staff's works and thoughts pretty much detailed. I'm not willing to change the meaning of dbz god characters, who are just strong people, just asking for an alternative counterpart. If you come with a name, reply me on PM please.

[Draken]

SSJG Kakarotto is a SSJ3 Goku plus the power of a 5 Saiyans.

That's where you're wrong and makes the rest of your theory faulty. First off SSJ3 has nothing to do with SSG. Second of all, the ritual was specified to NOT just add up battle powers, but did something else, something special, that actually made Goku into a God (in the DB sense) and gave him special ki. When it was just 5 pure hearted Saiyans, THEN it was just Goku with the power of 5 other Saiyans added to him. But something about that sixth Saiyan made it different and gave him the SSG transformation, which is above and beyond merely adding their powers to him. Otherwise Base Vegetto > SSG Goku.

Mmm the SSJ3 in terms of power, has to do with the SSJG according to my understanding and what I´ve read on BoG´s synopsis. Why Kakarotto ask Sheng Long about how achieve more power?

The BoG´s 5 Saiyan ritual is add power to a powerful being to achieve a legendary magical transformation.

I have no idea what you're saying here, no disrespect like I'm just saying.

He asked Shenron how to achieve SSG because Beers was in their face about to blow up the planet unless Goku achieved that form? It's stated pretty clear in the synopsis, SSJ3 was never mentioned to have anything to do with SSG.

Yea. So how is it SSJ3 + 5 again? 6 Saiyans gathered together and gave one Saiyan power above and beyond SSJ3 + 5.