Tenshinhan's Kikoho

[Son_Gohan]

I don't think Cell was expecting the Kikoho either, and I don't think he'd be able to react any better to repeatedly fired attacks.

I doubt it would work like that.. That is like saying SSJ Kid Trunks could repeatedly kick Majin Boo in the face and get the same desired effect. After the first kick Majin Boo sure isn't going to take the next one lying down. It is the same for Cell. It is fair enough if Tenshinhan only fired one. It is understandable that Cell would be taken back by a single Kikoho. But multiple? I don't think so. Cell was being held back by a technique with enough force to hold him back. Cell even says after that he is disgusted that such a weakling held him back. Surprise attacks only work once or twice. Cell was hit with several Kikoho so he should have expected them after the third or fourth attack onwards.

Cell wasn't pushed back when he actually braced himself for the attack. I think the speed and the area that covers when fired successively is why it was so effective in restraining him.

[FoolsGil]

Idk. It was inconsistent. But All talks of the Kikoho is that instead of normal energy, it saps the life energy, which would make sense on why it had no effect on Nappa-Tenshinhan had one foot in the grave at the time. If Tenshinhan wasn't the first to be attacked by Nappa, and beaten as hard as he was, the Kikoho would have likely severely wounded Nappa. Against Vegeta, it would probably just push him back, like it did with Cell.

[Hitiro]

Cell wasn't pushed back when he actually braced himself for the attack. I think the speed and the area that covers when fired successively is why it was so effective in restraining him.

Given the strength difference between Tienshinhan and Cell then Cell shouldn't of had any problems pushing back unless the Shin Kikoho was that powerful. The fact that Cell states that he shouldn't have been held back by such a "weakling" points to the effectiveness of the technique; at least in pushing power.

[Saiga]

Kicks aren't kiais, so it's not the same thing to me at all.

[Hitiro]

Kicks aren't kiais, so it's not the same thing to me at all.

Of course they aren't the same thing, but you get the same desired result if you are unprepared for one. SSJ Kid Trunks managed to boot the Fat Boo flying because Fat Boo didn't expect it. If the Fat Boo was aware of the kick that wouldn't of happened because the strength difference between them would have made it like SSJ Kid Trunks was kicking a wall. Mirai Trunks kiai'ed an unprepared imperfect Cell which is why it sent him so far. Again, if Cell expected this kiai then the strength difference between them would have made it so that Cell wouldn't have been phased by it. And then we have Tienshinhan holding back semi-perfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho, while it is understandable Cell wasn't prepared for the first one, or even the third or fourth. The ones after them Cell should have been prepared for and push past given the strength difference between Tienshinhan and Cell. The fact that it didn't is purely down to the strength of the technique. Had Tienshinhan been trying with regular kiai's I honestly don't think it would have had the same desired effect. Cell would have made his way past regular kiai's, killed Tienshinhan and absorbed 18 there and then.

[Saiga]

No, I don't think the results are the same. A kiai deliberately stuns and pushes back while kicks don't. So I can easily see only needed to take someone by surprise with the first kiai to keep them pinned, when that same tactic wouldn't work for trying to kick someone down.

[Hitiro]

No, I don't think the results are the same. A kiai deliberately stuns and pushes back while kicks don't. So I can easily see only needed to take someone by surprise with the first kiai to keep them pinned, when that same tactic wouldn't work for trying to kick someone down.

If that is the case then by your logic Tienshinhan should have used regular kiai's to hold semi-perfect Cell back rather than waste his energy on Shin Kikoho's. I honestly don't think there is any difference in getting in a cheap shot with a kiai and a kick. Otherwise kiai's would be used more often and it would make it easier for multiple characters to take on a single more powerful enemy. Like Gohan, Vegeta and Kuririn against Freeza or like the Z Senshi against Nappa. But as is the case, nobody uses kiai's to take these characters by surprise and keep them pinned down while their allies pound away at them.

[Saiga]

A Kikoho is a stronger kiai. I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

[Draken]

A Kikoho is a stronger kiai. I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

Sure didn't look like a kiai when it blew up the entire TB stadium.

[TheGmGoken]

A Kikoho is a stronger kiai. I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

Sure didn't look like a kiai when it blew up the entire TB stadium.

You must of miss this part of his statement

I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

[Draken]

A Kikoho is a stronger kiai. I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

Sure didn't look like a kiai when it blew up the entire TB stadium.

You must of miss this part of his statement

I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

My bad I definitely missed the part of the statement that I quoted.

Oh and pet peeve. No matter how much "must've" sounds like "must of", it's must have.

[Hitiro]

A Kikoho is a stronger kiai. I'm not saying power is completely irrelevant either.

Well your point was if someone is taken off-guard by the first kiai then they can indefinitely hold the opponent there with kiai's following the original one that took the opponent off-guard. I frankly disagree with this opinion because for that to be true you are saying that a person who is much more powerful would be held back by a weaker push. If we are talking about kiai's as if they were levels of gravity then an opponent who is naturally able to withstand higher levels would not be held back after the initial "gravity" change. The first change they would be taken back and basically be like "Wow, I didn't expect that, well now I'm prepared for it if it happens again." And thus, the next one would not phase them. There is no logic in having a kiai you as a character should be able to manage hold you back because you were caught off-guard by the first one. The fact that Tienshinhan's Kikoho's held Semi-perfect Cell back is purely down to their force.

[Kaboom]

Don't forget that this is the Shin Kikoho we're talking about. Even if it's categorized along with them, it's not ordinary kiai-type attack. If your average kiai is like smacking someone with a foam pool noodle... then the Kikoho is like swinging down a huge king-size mattress on their heads instead.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The Shin Kikoho at most is a 5x increase IMO. It just has extreme knockback.