How strong are the Android Arc humans?

[Saiga]

No, it wouldn't mean anything. Only Goku's Super Saiyan strength would mean anything. Base Yardrat Goku is just a complete non-factor.

And Vegeta's gain wouldn't be that ridiculous, because he's still only around Goku's level with Super Saiyan. He may have doubled or tripled over the years, but that's not a huge boost at all. The humans would have to be hundreds or thousands of times stronger to compare to base Goku, which is even more ridiculous than Piccolo's gain. And even though Piccolo had a bullshit gain, it doesn't justify more bullshit, especially if it has no effect on the story at all.

[Hugo Boss]

No, it wouldn't mean anything. Only Goku's Super Saiyan strength would mean anything. Base Yardrat Goku is just a complete non-factor.

You can ignore my opinion, but you can't just say it means nothing without any evidence to contradict it. Base Yadorat is just a measure stick I took, you can use another one if you prefer. If you put him against Gero it would end up the same it was with Yamcha IMO. As I said androids are far stronger than Goku SSJ (Yadorat). I bet the humans weren't expecting that, but they wanted to help in something.

And Vegeta's gain wouldn't be that ridiculous, because he's still only around Goku's level with Super Saiyan. He may have doubled or tripled over the years, but that's not a huge boost at all. The humans would have to be hundreds or thousands of times stronger to compare to base Goku, which is even more ridiculous than Piccolo's gain. And even though Piccolo had a bullshit gain, it doesn't justify more bullshit, especially if it has no effect on the story at all.

Try not use that kinds of terms, please. And, sorry, I don't like to discuss with numbers, they confuse things. You forgot Super Saiyan as a gain to Vegeta. He was weaker than Base Goku in Freeza Arc and went about equal to Goku SSJ in Android Arc. I have no problem to put humans at a 100x boost, ridiculous or not. You will break your mind if you use math logic in DBZ.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

So, uh, how is Base Yardrat Goku the measuring stick? Gero stopped monitoring Goku when he left for namek, so he would have no idea how strong Goku was once he returned to earth.

The only Goku they'd be able to compare Yamcha to is the one they analyzed from the Saiyan saga. Before Goku showed his Super Saiyan, Gero says they had a good understanding of Goku's capabilities and thought he wouldn't have any significant increases like he did after Kaio's training because of his age. I'd like to think they weren't even expecting him to be as strong as his Base form was shown to be against Freeza.

The quote:

Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P8.6-7
Goku: “I see…But did you spy on the battle on Planet Namek too?”
No.20: “There was no need. By the battle with Vegeta and co., we had already completely grasped your power and techniques. We calculated that no matter how much you improved afterwards, considering your age, you wouldn’t have any increases as enormous as you had before…”

With that, Yamcha doesn't even need to be anywhere as strong as Base Goku, or heck, even Ginyu.

Edit: read a few of your earlier posts and have a better understanding of it now. Still, I think they showed up simply because they wanted to help any way possible. None of them ever saw Base Goku fight, so they likely wouldn't be able to compare themselves to him.

[Saiga]

I can say it means nothing because it's based on nothing. It's just a completely arbitrary level you've taken and said the humans would need to surpass.

I have no problem using mathematical logic in Dragon Ball, it's not that hard when you don't have things like the humans gaining craptonnes of power for no reason. And Super Saiyan is a completely justified gain for Vegeta - it's a racial ability we already knew about and all that. It's the justification for why he got so strong. The humans don't have anything like that to justify a massive jump in power. Which is what makes it bullshit.

[Hugo Boss]

So, uh, how is Base Yardrat Goku the measuring stick? Gero stopped monitoring Goku when he left for namek, so he would have no idea how strong Goku was once he returned to earth.

The only Goku they'd be able to compare Yamcha to is the one they analyzed from the Saiyan saga. Before Goku showed his Super Saiyan, Gero says they had a good understanding of Goku's capabilities and thought he wouldn't have any significant increases like he did after Kaio's training because of his age. I'd like to think they weren't even expecting him to be as strong as his Base form was shown to be against Freeza.

With that, Yamcha doesn't even need to be anywhere as strong as Base Goku, or heck, even Ginyu.

Please, read my earlier posts. [My apologizes, I didn't consider the under quote] I'm not using Gero's logic. Any power above 1,000,000 would suprise him. The measure stick is for the humans to compare with. Gero's quote is a vague predict.

Edit: read a few of your earlier posts and have a better understanding of it now. Still, I think they showed up simply because they wanted to help any way possible. None of them ever saw Base Goku fight, so they likely wouldn't be able to compare themselves to him.

They could feel Goku's ki and comparing to him isn't a difficult thing. Tenshinhan for example compared himself with Piccolo and Vegeta from the Mecha Freeza Arc. I was one to think the humans were weaker than Freeza 1st Form, but through discussions I could change my mind.

I can say it means nothing because it's based on nothing. It's just a completely arbitrary level you've taken and said the humans would need to surpass.

I admit it's arbitrary, like every theory. We don't have any feats to judge these characters' power, unless a few hints. For example to Kuririn, whom is the strongest human, Freeza is still a big deal even if I put him in the millions. Freeza's powerlevel is over 100 millions. Another one is that Tenshinhan fought Base Trunks evenly in the movie 9. It depends on how you look things, Toei put Tenshinhan at this rate.

I have no problem using mathematical logic in Dragon Ball, it's not that hard when you don't have things like the humans gaining craptonnes of power for no reason. And Super Saiyan is a completely justified gain for Vegeta - it's a racial ability we already knew about and all that. It's the justification for why he got so strong. The humans don't have anything like that to justify a massive jump in power. Which is what makes it bullshit.

In many parts of DBZ math lacks consistence, that's why Toriyama stopped using powerlevels. He can give whatever boost he want to his characters, I don't think logic is a word which combine with DBZ at all.

Sorry for my English, I'm trying to improve it.

[Godo]

Regarding the energy absorption thing.
Just because of that someone is 1,000 in powerlevel, it doesn't mean that that's all they've got.
Every fighter in Z has reserves. That would mean that absorbing the ki of someone with the powerlevel with 1,000 could give a lot more.

That's how Tenshinhan could hold back Semi-Perfect Cell and that's how Dr. Gero would think it a good idea to absorb the energy of Yamcha.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

They could feel Goku's ki and comparing to him isn't a difficult thing. Tenshinhan for example compared himself with Piccolo and Vegeta from the Mecha Freeza Arc. I was one to think the humans were weaker than Freeza 1st Form, but through discussions I could change my mind.

Goku would still have to fight in order for them to have a good understanding of how strong he is. None of them were able to sense how powerful Trunks was until he powered-up and attacked Freeza's henchmen. At the most, they'd be able to sense his Chi in a relaxed state, but that's about it. When did Tien do that? Are you talking about when he was complaining about Piccolo and Vegeta being too powerful.

Also, I'm not sure how 1 million or 100,000 would differ much, since the Androids would still be far more powerful than them. This would be the first time they've seen anyone that powerful since Oozaru Vegeta was on earth. I think anyone walking around at 100,000 or close would be able to garner their attention and be considered a "good source" of power.

[FNF]

Honestly, I think Piccolo saying 'don't show up if you're not going to be of any use' line in the Trunks arc, is enough to rate the Earthlings pretty high. It just looks like AT is giving a huge 'hint, hint, nudge, nudge' to the reader.
Then you couple that with Ten making the conscious decision to leave Chaozu at home on the basis that he wouldn't be of any use and there you have it.
There is also c20's statements about Ten+Gohan+Krillin+suppressed Piccolo's power being enough to make him stronger than SSJ Vegeta (note that he explicitly states he needs all their powers implying none of them were maggots) but that's surplus imo.

[Hugo Boss]

Goku would still have to fight in order for them to have a good understanding of how strong he is. None of them were able to sense how powerful Trunks was until he powered-up and attacked Freeza's henchmen. At the most, they'd be able to sense his Chi in a relaxed state, but that's about it. When did Tenshinhan do that? Are you talking about when he was complaining about Piccolo and Vegeta being too powerful.

Yes, Goku would still have to fight, but Trunks was supressed to powerlevel 5. Goku didn't have a reason to supress his power that low assuming Freeza located him. I agree when you say they'd be able to sense his ki in a relaxed state, but why not comparing relaxed states? Gero also guessed their relaxed states (I think including Vegeta SSJ), so the power he considered from Tenshinhan and Kuririn would be much higher if they had fought. Sorry for repeating too much that word, but it's just for compreension. And yes, that situation exactly, but I remember Tenshinhan complaining how much stronger they have gotten, then comparing with their Mecha Freeza Arc selves.

Also, I'm not sure how 1 million or 100,000 would differ much, since the Androids would still be far more powerful than them. This would be the first time they've seen anyone that powerful since Oozaru Vegeta was on earth. I think anyone walking around at 100,000 or close would be able to garner their attention and be considered a "good source" of power.

Yes, how Gero would be confident about winning Vegeta SSJ just by absorbing such a low energy sources? Of course all of them weren't still at full power, even Vegeta. Gero absorbed Piccolo's supressed energy and still was losing to Piccolo at full strenght. The Androids are more powerful than the humans expected, you're right, but I wouldn't understimate the humans. The Androids also understimate everyone else.

I have humans at this rate considering they hadn't significantly powered-up after Cell Games, they didn't consider themselves useful anymore. I'm looking for the right words to express it since I think in Portuguese.

[RandomGuy96]

Regarding the energy absorption thing.
Just because of that someone is 1,000 in powerlevel, it doesn't mean that that's all they've got.
Every fighter in Z has reserves. That would mean that absorbing the ki of someone with the powerlevel with 1,000 could give a lot more.

That's how Tenshinhan could hold back Semi-Perfect Cell and that's how Dr. Gero would think it a good idea to absorb the energy of Yamcha.

It pretty much does. Gero specifically says he adds the power of others to his own.

I don't think it's correct to just throw out all his predictions. He has a scouter, he can just get duped with suppression like everyone else. He can still obviously read levels, as he scouts base Vegeta as stronger than the humans and a suppressed Piccolo, and can tell that Yamcha is above 8,000. I'm sure he can tell if the humans' energy was just that worthless. Seems real weaseley.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that the Earthlings (Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan) have surpassed the 1 million (with Kuririn being significantly stronger than Tenshinhan because of the dormant power he got drawn out on Namek, which is why Kuririn stayed on the top during the Boo arc and even BoG, even though he wasn't training). There are enough comments in the manga that imply this, none that prove otherwise, and Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho pushing and giving scratches to 2nd Form Cell.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that the Earthlings (Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan) have surpassed the 1 million (with Kuririn being significantly stronger than Tenshinhan because of the dormant power he got drawn out on Namek, which is why Kuririn stayed on the top during the Boo arc and even BoG, even though he wasn't training). There are enough comments in the manga that imply this, none that prove otherwise, and Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho pushing and giving scratches to 2nd Form Cell.

Could've just been dirt... otherwise PIS ahoy.

How far above 1 million do you think they are? They should still be nowhere close to the high single digit millions (and that's a high end) since base Vegeta was still far stronger than Krillin in the android arc. Here's what I have at that time:

Base Vegeta- 4,400,000

Gohan- 3,600,000
Krillin- 3,300,000
Tien - 2,400,000
Yamcha- 1,700,000

This would make their contributions towards Gero equal 11 million. Combine that with suppressed Piccolo and Gero can surpass the weakened Vegeta.

Then in the Buu Saga:

Krillin- 3,500,000
Tien - 3,200,000
Yamcha- 1,800,000
Chiaotzu- 1,000,000

Yamcha hasn't gotten stronger, but not weaker either (ki shouldn't atrophy, at least not until you are REAL old). Krillin sparred with his wife in preparation for the tournament, so got a little stronger. Tien trained a lot, but was taking it easy and just doing mudane Earth training to boot while running his farm. Chiaotzu is still about a third of Tien, as he was in the Saiyan Saga.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

How far above 1 million do you think they are? 

I don't know, since I don't care about BPs post-Freeza arc. I have them above 1 million, but not very far below the base Saiyans.