Was Kaioshin scared of anything with a "M" on its body

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Was Kaioshin scared of anything with a "M" on its body

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:47 am

(Editing on from the title) or related to Majin or Majin Boo is any shape, form, and or magic. I'm being serious here. Everytime he saw someone with a "M" with exception of Spopovich or Yamu he shit himself and doubt the Z fighters Saiyans. I mean this is a guy who can 1 shot Freeza and stronger than the Saiyans base. Yet as soon as he seems the "M" he goes all(excuse my language) pussy-like. I know he's most likely traumatize by Majin Boo and Babidi but c'mon! You mean he could't sense that Pui-Pui was weaker than him? Even after seeing Vegeta's and Goku's power he doubts they can defeat any of Babidi other henchmen. If I'm correct they hinted more henchmen but Babidi sent out Dabura. I think it' funny how he thinks Gohan was the "one" as he counted on him for Boo's energy and for Mystic. But yet he stills doubts Vegeta and Goku. Who have showed to be stronger than Gohan.

I'm just saying that Supeme Kai was build as a badass who made Piccolo shit himself. Piccolo > Base Saiyans. If he could make Piccolo scarred why did he get scarred of PUI PUI. I'm sorry it's just pisses me off how he was made out to be a badass just to turn out a useless "idiot" to some. So was Supreme Kai traumatize by the "M" To me this is a Before and after picture moment.

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Post by Saiga » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:21 am

Ever played a video game where you're really good at it, coasting through without too much difficulty save for that one pain in the ass boss, but then the game throws an escort mission at you? You fail the mission if they take too much damage, and the escorts are super squishy. To make matters worse, the AI of the escorts isn't very good, they're not using their abilities and they don't respond to your commands. And then you find out you're coming up against another difficult boss, which you don't stand a chance against unless your escorts stop fucking around.

That's pretty much what Kaioshin had to deal with.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:35 am

Saiga wrote:Ever played a video game where you're really good at it, coasting through without too much difficulty save for that one pain in the ass boss, but then the game throws an escort mission at you? You fail the mission if they take too much damage, and the escorts are super squishy. To make matters worse, the AI of the escorts isn't very good, they're not using their abilities and they don't respond to your commands. And then you find out you're coming up against another difficult boss, which you don't stand a chance against unless your escorts stop fucking around.

That's pretty much what Kaioshin had to deal with.
I understand the point you made. But I never played a game like that. But now I want too :think: . PM a game similar to what you gave me

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Post by Saiga » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:37 am

It's been too long since I've played a game with escort missions, save for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon or World of Warcraft. Don't think I can help you, sorry. :P
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Re: Was Supreme Kai scarred of anything with a "M" on it's b

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:38 am

Saiga wrote:It's been too long since I've played a game with escort missions, save for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon or World of Warcraft. Don't think I can help you, sorry. :P
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Re: Was Supreme Kai scarred of anything with a "M" on it's b

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:17 am

East Kaioshin was the youngest, weakest, and least experienced of all the Kaioshin. He lived in a time of peace, when suddenly, a monster appeared out of nowhere, and killed all of his peers. He got lucky, and managed to ensure that the monster got sealed, but lacked the power to destroy it. So he hides it on Earth.

Kaioshin spends the next several thousand years doing the job of four Kaioshin's; something he obviously was not prepared for. For all of these years, the images of his dead friends (family?) are seared into his brain. He knows that, at any time, there is a chance that the monster can be awakened.

Thousands of years later, he finds out that the wizard who created the monster had a son, who is also a powerful magician. He knows that the son's goal is to free his father's creation. So, he sets out to find Babidi, while neglecting his observation of the universe. As a consequence, he is unaware of the growing power of the Saiyans on Earth.

He arrives on Earth, and, while outwardly appearing confident and mysterious, on the inside he is torn. He chooses to take a gamble, allowing a powerful fighter to fall in order to follow Babidi's minions back to his ship. Along the way, he gains powerful allies in the Saiyans, but due to his focusing on finding Babidi, he is unaware of their true strength.

They arrive at the ship, and Kaioshin sees the ruler of the Demon Realm, enslaved by Babidi. He notices that Babidi's henchmen all have the same "M" symbol that the monster did. Kaioshin, overwhelmed by his memories of the past, starts behaving irrationally, doubting the powers of his comrades, and overestimating his enemies, due to their association with the monster. He is further shaken when his allies, who are mere mortals, prove to be even stronger than he himself, the god of gods, is. In only a few hours on Earth, his entire perception of his place in the universe has been shaken, and he is clearly out of his depth.

So, in conclusion, Kaioshin has a massive case of PTSD, and it's amplified by seeing foes who have some relation to Majin Buu.
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Re: Was Kaioshin scared of anything with a "M" on its body

Post by Mjb1985 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:38 pm

Damn that's got to be the best description I've ever heard regarding Kaioshin. Good stuff Kamiccolo.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:44 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Damn that's got to be the best description I've ever heard regarding Kaioshin. Good stuff Kamiccolo.
Thanks!
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Re: Was Supreme Kai scarred of anything with a "M" on it's b

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:09 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:East Kaioshin was the youngest, weakest, and least experienced of all the Kaioshin. He lived in a time of peace, when suddenly, a monster appeared out of nowhere, and killed all of his peers. He got lucky, and managed to ensure that the monster got sealed, but lacked the power to destroy it. So he hides it on Earth.

Kaioshin spends the next several thousand years doing the job of four Kaioshin's; something he obviously was not prepared for. For all of these years, the images of his dead friends (family?) are seared into his brain. He knows that, at any time, there is a chance that the monster can be awakened.

Thousands of years later, he finds out that the wizard who created the monster had a son, who is also a powerful magician. He knows that the son's goal is to free his father's creation. So, he sets out to find Babidi, while neglecting his observation of the universe. As a consequence, he is unaware of the growing power of the Saiyans on Earth.

He arrives on Earth, and, while outwardly appearing confident and mysterious, on the inside he is torn. He chooses to take a gamble, allowing a powerful fighter to fall in order to follow Babidi's minions back to his ship. Along the way, he gains powerful allies in the Saiyans, but due to his focusing on finding Babidi, he is unaware of their true strength.

They arrive at the ship, and Kaioshin sees the ruler of the Demon Realm, enslaved by Babidi. He notices that Babidi's henchmen all have the same "M" symbol that the monster did. Kaioshin, overwhelmed by his memories of the past, starts behaving irrationally, doubting the powers of his comrades, and overestimating his enemies, due to their association with the monster. He is further shaken when his allies, who are mere mortals, prove to be even stronger than he himself, the god of gods, is. In only a few hours on Earth, his entire perception of his place in the universe has been shaken, and he is clearly out of his depth.

So, in conclusion, Kaioshin has a massive case of PTSD, and it's amplified by seeing foes who have some relation to Majin Buu.
Personally, I think Kaioshin realizes far far too late that he was out of his league.

For example, there was nothing inherently wrong with his plan to have Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy but the problem is that he still chose to carry it out when he saw Gohan become SSJ (and SSJ2). With that kind of power, he should have realized the Saiyans are far and away more powerful than any of Babidi's minions but he didn't for some reason (plot, most likey).
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Post by Zephyr » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:48 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:For example, there was nothing inherently wrong with his plan to have Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy but the problem is that he still chose to carry it out when he saw Gohan become SSJ (and SSJ2). With that kind of power, he should have realized the Saiyans are far and away more powerful than any of Babidi's minions but he didn't for some reason (plot, most likey).
Surely he noted the power of Gohan from the tournament. But by the time he would have had the chance to gauge that power against the power of Babidi's minions at the ship, he would have succumbed to the irrationality of PTSD, as detailed in the post above.

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Post by Mjb1985 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:06 pm

Well we know Kaioshin forgot about Gohan's power because he states it in the ship.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:11 am

He knew they had the power but the problem was that they weren't using it.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:18 am

Saiga wrote:He knew they had the power but the problem was that they weren't using it.
What about Supreme Kai power

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Post by Mjb1985 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:01 pm

No he legit forgot about their power for some odd plot induced reason

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Post by Nazi Cola » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:56 pm

Saiga wrote:Ever played a video game where you're really good at it, coasting through without too much difficulty save for that one pain in the ass boss, but then the game throws an escort mission at you? You fail the mission if they take too much damage, and the escorts are super squishy. To make matters worse, the AI of the escorts isn't very good, they're not using their abilities and they don't respond to your commands. And then you find out you're coming up against another difficult boss, which you don't stand a chance against unless your escorts stop fucking around.

That's pretty much what Kaioshin had to deal with.
Very nice.

I think the "scared of anything with an 'M' on it" is a floppy excuse to make sense of the goings-on inside Babidi's ship. I don't abide by the idea myself, but I've seen it used fervently by a few others. Kaioshin can man up when he really needs to, as seen when he's just fine with taking on Babidi and Dabura with Gohan's help, or when he's alone against Majin Boo. Not to mention when he fuses with Kibito, he immediately wants to take on Gotenks-Boo. Come on now.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:23 pm

Saiga wrote:He knew they had the power but the problem was that they weren't using it.
They could have but Kaioshin kept getting in the way of that. For example, Piccolo suggested that they swoop down and beat up Babidi's minions before they gave Babidi the energy but he had them hide behind the rocks instead.
Nazi Cola wrote:Very nice.

I think the "scared of anything with an 'M' on it" is a floppy excuse to make sense of the goings-on inside Babidi's ship. I don't abide by the idea myself, but I've seen it used fervently by a few others. Kaioshin can man up when he really needs to, as seen when he's just fine with taking on Babidi and Dabura with Gohan's help, or when he's alone against Majin Boo. Not to mention when he fuses with Kibito, he immediately wants to take on Gotenks-Boo. Come on now.
I hardly call standing around and doing nothing or pissing your pants in fear while using sissy attacks "manning up".
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:24 pm

The actual "scared of the letter M" thing is just a humorous exaggeration.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:35 pm

Kaboom wrote:The actual "scared of the letter M" thing is just a humorous exaggeration.
Yup. "Fear the M!" FEAR IT DAMN IT!

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Post by Nazi Cola » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:28 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:I hardly call standing around and doing nothing or pissing your pants in fear while using sissy attacks "manning up".
Thanks for your definition of the phrase, sir.
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Re: Was Kaioshin scared of anything with a "M" on its body

Post by Mjb1985 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:38 pm

How about Kaioshin isn't thinking of himself and is only concerned about the Saiyans chances?

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