Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
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Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
With training, could the strain of SSJ2 and SSJ3 be reduced like was done for the basic SSJ?
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
Maybe SSJ2, but I don't think SSJ3.
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
I don't see why not for SSJ2 but for 3? It seems highly unlikely.
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
Super Saiyan 2? Unlikely, but maybe.
Super Saiyan 3? Hellz naw. You're never going to be able to maintain a form that hemorrhages ki so rapidly that you lose the form in 5 minutes. MAYBE Goku might be able to rein the form in a little and decrease the negative side effects if he were to train with it while dead in the afterlife, but I can't see it ever being "mastered" the way Super Saiyan 1 was. That's all about letting your body adapt so that the form comes naturally, which doesn't seem possible with a form that's bursting with more energy than the body can even hold.
Super Saiyan 3? Hellz naw. You're never going to be able to maintain a form that hemorrhages ki so rapidly that you lose the form in 5 minutes. MAYBE Goku might be able to rein the form in a little and decrease the negative side effects if he were to train with it while dead in the afterlife, but I can't see it ever being "mastered" the way Super Saiyan 1 was. That's all about letting your body adapt so that the form comes naturally, which doesn't seem possible with a form that's bursting with more energy than the body can even hold.
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
Given enough time anything I think can be mastered.
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Maybe thousands of years in Other World with a dead body would allow you master SSJ3.
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Mmm but why Kakarotto says ¨he would be better¨ ( I still think he says stronger in the original japanese language. Better? Kakarotto is super skillfull enough. Better = New technics? I doubt it. Better = Stronger? More sense to me ) before defeating Pure Boo?Kaboom wrote:Super Saiyan 2? Unlikely, but maybe.
Super Saiyan 3? Hellz naw. You're never going to be able to maintain a form that hemorrhages ki so rapidly that you lose the form in 5 minutes. MAYBE Goku might be able to rein the form in a little and decrease the negative side effects if he were to train with it while dead in the afterlife, but I can't see it ever being "mastered" the way Super Saiyan 1 was. That's all about letting your body adapt so that the form comes naturally, which doesn't seem possible with a form that's bursting with more energy than the body can even hold.
The main and only problem with SSJ3 Goku in the fight between him and Pure Boo, was the fast energy drain.
Being better or stronger, I think he could dominate the SSJ3.
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
Honestly, I think any of them could be mastered. The problem occurs though that, by the point they were able to figure out and have trained long enough to master a higher form - like say, SS3 - then they'd have likely already hit SS4, and have made even a mastered SS3 form pointless. That would be my guess as to why none of this ever came up with later forms.
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
i'm sure to reach a new form a saiyan must master the old one so yes at least ssj2 can be masterd but i'm not sure about ssj3
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
I believe that Goku tried to master Super Saiyan 2 in AfterLife, but realized it was a waste of time. Nope, not possible.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
how would he reach ssj3 if he haden't masterd ssj2 ?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I believe that Goku tried to master Super Saiyan 2 in AfterLife, but realized it was a waste of time. Nope, not possible.
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
Super Saiyan 2? Possibly. It doesn't appear to be radically different from the first form other than the power it outputs.
Super Saiyan 3? Hell, I don't even think anyone's supposed to be able to do that while alive. Giving that a "no."
Super Saiyan 3? Hell, I don't even think anyone's supposed to be able to do that while alive. Giving that a "no."
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
What? Who said that mastering SS2 was a requirement for SS3, or that it's even possible?sintzu wrote:how would he reach ssj3 if he haden't masterd ssj2 ?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I believe that Goku tried to master Super Saiyan 2 in AfterLife, but realized it was a waste of time. Nope, not possible.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
I think it's possible for both forms, but it won't be easy. SS3 would just take an incredibly long time since you drop out of it so soon and then have to rest to get your energy back. I'd see training the form like the Visored training in Bleach.
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no one I'm just assuming that cause if a saiyan can reach a new form wown't he have masterd the last to reach it in the first place ?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What? Who said that mastering SS2 was a requirement for SS3, or that it's even possible?sintzu wrote:how would he reach ssj3 if he haden't masterd ssj2 ?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I believe that Goku tried to master Super Saiyan 2 in AfterLife, but realized it was a waste of time. Nope, not possible.
then you have the manga wich whene goku went ssj2 for a second to defeat yakon vegeta relaised that his ssj2 form was nothing compared to goku's so he let babidi release his dorment power to be able to catch up
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
Well, they didn't have to master Super Saiyan to reach Super Saiyan Grade 2, nor did they have to master Super Saiyan Grade 2 to reach Super Saiyan Grade 3.sintzu wrote:no one I'm just assuming that cause if a saiyan can reach a new form wown't he have masterd the last to reach it in the first place ?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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does it say that in the manga or the daizenshuu ?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, they didn't have to master Super Saiyan to reach Super Saiyan Grade 2, nor did they have to master Super Saiyan Grade 2 to reach Super Saiyan Grade 3.sintzu wrote:no one I'm just assuming that cause if a saiyan can reach a new form wown't he have masterd the last to reach it in the first place ?
then you have the manga/anime wich whene goku went ssj2 for a second to defeat yakon vegeta relaised that his ssj2 form was nothing compared to goku's so he let babidi release his dorment power to be able to catch up
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
I think that we talk about two different things...
Super Saiyan Full Power is the mastered version of Super Saiyan. It doesn't drain ki, it doesn't make the Saiyan angry, it allows the Saiyan to use the full power of the form & also suppress it, and it gives greater gains during training for some time.
I believe that what you are referring as mastering is the ability to freely transform into said form?
Super Saiyan Full Power is the mastered version of Super Saiyan. It doesn't drain ki, it doesn't make the Saiyan angry, it allows the Saiyan to use the full power of the form & also suppress it, and it gives greater gains during training for some time.
I believe that what you are referring as mastering is the ability to freely transform into said form?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
i think this is what he means by mastering and if ssj can be then why can't ssj2-ssj3 ? i personally think goku and vegeta masterd it by looking at the huge gap between goku's ssj2 and vegeta's before he let babidi unlock his hidden powers to be on-par with himDBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Super Saiyan Full Power is the mastered version of Super Saiyan. It doesn't drain ki, it doesn't make the Saiyan angry, it allows the Saiyan to use the full power of the form & also suppress it, and it gives greater gains during training for some time.
and i don't think there is a right or wrong awnser to this cause like many things in dragon ball toryama dosen't address it in the manga or data books
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Re: Can higher levels of Super Saiyan be mastered?
I believe that it's not possible, because it never happened. Goku doesn't look like a "Super Saiyan 2 Full Power" in Boo arc, because his eyes are "locked" into angry mode, while in Super Saiyan Full Power, that's not the case.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.