Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Was that a draw? I know in the manga Cell said only Trunks and Vegeta could fight them but from the dialog I took as they were losing and so they kinda lost.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Cell said Trunks and Vegeta could fight equally with them. We saw very little of that fight, but from what little we saw, Vegeta at least was even; the Cell Junior punched him once, he punched him once back, and they were equally fazed. So yeah, a draw seems like the best thing to call it.
Piccolo's draw was with Android 17. I decided not to count the Cell Junior fight as a draw since he wasn't included in Cell's statement and never hit the damn thing.
Goku:
Wins: N/A
Draws: N/A
Losses: Android 19 (while sick), Perfect Cell, Cell Junior (while exhausted and injured)
Piccolo:
Wins: Android 20, Imperfect Cell.
Draws: Android 17
Losses: Android 17, Imperfect Cell (post), Cell Junior.
Vegeta:
Wins: Android 19, Semi-Perfect Cell
Draws: Cell Junior
Losses: Android 18, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell
Trunks:
Wins: Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Future Android 17, Future Android 18, Future Imperfect Cell
Draws: Cell Junior
Losses: Android 17, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell
Piccolo's draw was with Android 17. I decided not to count the Cell Junior fight as a draw since he wasn't included in Cell's statement and never hit the damn thing.
Goku:
Wins: N/A
Draws: N/A
Losses: Android 19 (while sick), Perfect Cell, Cell Junior (while exhausted and injured)
Piccolo:
Wins: Android 20, Imperfect Cell.
Draws: Android 17
Losses: Android 17, Imperfect Cell (post), Cell Junior.
Vegeta:
Wins: Android 19, Semi-Perfect Cell
Draws: Cell Junior
Losses: Android 18, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell
Trunks:
Wins: Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Future Android 17, Future Android 18, Future Imperfect Cell
Draws: Cell Junior
Losses: Android 17, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell
Last edited by RandomGuy96 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Woah. Trunks sure did kill a lot of villains looking back at it. Technically, he killed Cell twice. The fetus looking one in the lab with Kuririn and the matured one in the future.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Crap, forgot about him.
So yeah, do you want Trunks to kill ALL THREE Cells?
So yeah, do you want Trunks to kill ALL THREE Cells?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
I don't even remember why I asked this question lol. I look at my updates for this and I thought to myself "Why did this guy write this about Trunks? He did a lot of things in the arc." only to find out that I wrote it. I feel like a dumbass. Anyway I can delete or request for this topic to be locked?+RandomGuy96 wrote:Crap, forgot about him.
So yeah, do you want Trunks to kill ALL THREE Cells?
Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Would Goku's finger Vs Trunks Sword count as a fight?RandomGuy96 wrote:Cell said Trunks and Vegeta could fight equally with them. We saw very little of that fight, but from what little we saw, Vegeta at least was even; the Cell Junior punched him once, he punched him once back, and they were equally fazed. So yeah, a draw seems like the best thing to call it.
Piccolo's draw was with Android 17. I decided not to count the Cell Junior fight as a draw since he wasn't included in Cell's statement and never hit the damn thing.
Goku:
Wins: N/A
Draws: N/A
Losses: Android 19 (while sick), Perfect Cell, Cell Junior (while exhausted and injured)
Piccolo:
Wins: Android 20, Imperfect Cell.
Draws: Android 17
Losses: Android 17, Imperfect Cell (post), Cell Junior.
Vegeta:
Wins: Android 19, Semi-Perfect Cell
Draws: Cell Junior
Losses: Android 18, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell
Trunks:
Wins: Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Future Android 17, Future Android 18, Future Imperfect Cell
Draws: Cell Junior
Losses: Android 17, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell
And Trunks didn't battle SPC, SPC just showed up and killed him in a surprise attack.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Yup I feel like he had a lot of use and it was a nice balance.Insertclevername wrote:I agree. Plus, the movies kind of supplement the need for more Trunks action (especially Movie 9).Saiga wrote:No, I don't think he was underused. He stomped Freeza, Cold, 17, 18 and Cell all in one arc. Using him to point out the flaws in the Super Saiyan Grades (with his inexperience causing him to make an error) was a good use of his character as well. Anymore and it'd be a bit much.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
I decided to count it as a loss because we know that the result wouldn't have been any different if he was prepared. Cell was many times stronger than Trunks at this point, so the Death Beam would've pierced right through him and killed him regardless.And Trunks didn't battle SPC, SPC just showed up and killed him in a surprise attack.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
But it wasn't a fight......RandomGuy96 wrote:I decided to count it as a loss because we know that the result wouldn't have been any different if he was prepared. Cell was many times stronger than Trunks at this point, so the Death Beam would've pierced right through him and killed him regardless.And Trunks didn't battle SPC, SPC just showed up and killed him in a surprise attack.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
Neither are 'fights' like Vegeta vs Dodoria, really. Cell decided to kill Trunks. So he did. The end. Not seeing how this doesn't count as a loss...
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
It doesn't count as a lost because it wasn't a fight. Dodoria attacked Vegeta with his ki blast. So it was indeed a fight at that point. But here it wasn't a fight. Cell just popped out and killed him. No fight. f Trunks tried to defend himself THEN it would have been a fightRandomGuy96 wrote:Neither are 'fights' like Vegeta vs Dodoria, really. Cell decided to kill Trunks. So he did. The end. Not seeing how this doesn't count as a loss...
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Re: Was Trunks underused in the Android Arc?
As far as "arc specific characters" go, he got the best treatment. Upa and Dende's actions aren't nearly as cool.
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