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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:28 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:I prefer the dub name of the What-if fusion for Tenshinhan and Yamcha. Tiencha/Tencha fits him better than Yamhan, Yamhan sounds like a Yamcha/Gohan fusion.
And I can't stand hearing "Tiencha". :P
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:36 pm

ABED wrote:
talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!
That's the first time I've ever heard that saying. I never said that they vastly improved or are even remotely good (which was never the point at hand), just that they did improve. But that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.
Hmm, really? It's quite old and well-known. But, anyway, I'm not directing that at you for saying that. I'm just saying that the idea of any significant improvement, while possible, still fits that saying. You can only get so much improvement out of something that just has no chance of working. You can't change its very nature.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:42 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:I prefer the dub name of the What-if fusion for Tenshinhan and Yamcha. Tiencha/Tencha fits him better than Yamhan, Yamhan sounds like a Yamcha/Gohan fusion.
I think Rocketman sums it up pretty well.
Rocketman wrote:Tiencha simply sounds better. Let's take a closer look:

"Yamhan". Look at this pathetic word. A soft little "yh" sound to start, a soft "ah", a gentle hum with "em", then "h", the letter so weak it is classified as voiceless, finishing with a soft sigh and hum with "ah" and "en". There is no power in this word. It hangs limp across the tongue, a disappointment to all.

Now, "Tiencha", there is a word with strength! A mighty "Te" to begin, a solid bridge with "ee", then an explosion with "ch" that echoes into the "ah". This word shall never fail you with its unimprovable irrigidity.

Just look at the companion names, too! "Goku", a hard G and K, "Goten", hard G and T, even "Gohan" keeps the strike of the hard G! "Vegeta/to", "Trunks", "Raditz", "Freeza", "Mister Satan/Hercule", "Nappa", all words with power in them! Then compare to the flaccid "Yamhan" and you shall see who stands taller.
penguintruth wrote:Linda Young is just a more lizardish sounding Pauline Newstone in the role. And Newstone was wrong for the role, too
I dunno, Young seems to sound more energetic in the role with maybe an exception being when she had just started voicing Freeza. Newstone sounds more calm and creepy.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:07 pm

Young seems to sound more energetic in the role with maybe an exception being when she had just started voicing Freeza. Newstone sounds more calm and creepy.
Freeza is calm and creepy. He doesn't move around all that much until towards the end of the arc.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:16 pm

Agreed. Tiencha >>>>>>>> Yamhan, by a mile.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by El Diabeetus » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:27 pm

It's that rare case, I prefer 99% of the original Japanese names and most of the pronunciations, since the Japanese terms can't really be mispronouced if it's the original. Mr. Satan is one of the few where I ignore the Japanese style pronunciation. Yamhan is the one original name that's always bothered me. I do prefer Tenshinhan to the dub name, but Yamhan just sounds bad.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:46 pm

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ABED wrote: "yeehaw buckaroo, ride em cowboy".
I've stated this unpopular opinion before, but as much as I don't like Linda Young's portrayal....I love that line. For the moment it was being used, it was incredibly sadistic IMO.
Is that when Freeza's metaphorically (and in some sense literally) raping Krillin with his horn? If so, that's vicious, even coming from Linda Young.

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Post by ABED » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:36 pm

I don't find it vicious, I find it goofy.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:34 pm

ABED wrote:
Young seems to sound more energetic in the role with maybe an exception being when she had just started voicing Freeza. Newstone sounds more calm and creepy.
Freeza is calm and creepy. He doesn't move around all that much until towards the end of the arc.
Even in the redub of "season 2" Linda Young Freeza seems to have more energy.

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Post by ABED » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:56 pm

ringworm128 wrote:
ABED wrote:
Young seems to sound more energetic in the role with maybe an exception being when she had just started voicing Freeza. Newstone sounds more calm and creepy.
Freeza is calm and creepy. He doesn't move around all that much until towards the end of the arc.
Even in the redub of "season 2" Linda Young Freeza seems to have more energy.
I was getting at the fact that Freeza isn't full of energy, he's calm, cool and collected at that point.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Mjb1985 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:11 am

Yea I generally go with whatever name suits me. I don't see a major issue with using either name. I prefer Tenshinhan when using his full name but for short I prefer Tien opposed to Ten.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:52 am

ABED wrote:She also makes him sound like a she, an old she at that. Add that to the constant sexual innuendo and awful jokes, and it's a recipe for disaster. I don't hear wicked, I hear an actor desperately trying to sound wicked.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:25 pm

I actually think the idea of an American animated DB cartoon has a lot of potential and if they took an episodic approach they could develop villains like Dr Uiro and Omega Shenlong better.

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Post by Rocketman » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:37 pm

I just think it's hilarious that people dislike Young yet tout Nozawa as ~amazing~, usually by using the same arguments like "sounds like girl!".

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Post by Ringworm128 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:45 pm

ABED wrote: I was getting at the fact that Freeza isn't full of energy, he's calm, cool and collected at that point.
Linda Young still sounds calm enough it's not like she's "I'M FREEEEEEEEZA GIVE ME YOUR BALLS!!! :crazy:

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Post by Looneygamemaster » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:47 pm

Rocketman wrote:I just think it's hilarious that people dislike Young yet tout Nozawa as ~amazing~, usually by using the same arguments like "sounds like girl!".
The idea was to keep Goku's childish spirit. I'll grant you that they could have done that better (see Mayumi Tanaka's Luffy--amazing), but it's far better then making the chillingly wicked Emperor of the Universe a wise-cracking grandma.

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Post by ABED » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:59 am

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ABED wrote: I was getting at the fact that Freeza isn't full of energy, he's calm, cool and collected at that point.
Linda Young still sounds calm enough it's not like she's "I'M FREEEEEEEEZA GIVE ME YOUR BALLS!!! :crazy:
It's not calm enough. When Freeza rips off Nail's arm, he should be matter of fact about it, almost bored. It's a great bit of characterization. Dub Frieza is laughing his head off making dumb jokes.

And Nozawa gets Goku's personality. It's high, sure, but not feminine, unlike Freeza.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Zephyr » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:43 pm

Rocketman wrote:I just think it's hilarious that people dislike Young yet tout Nozawa as ~amazing~, usually by using the same arguments like "sounds like girl!".
"Sounds like a girl!" =/= "sounds like a wisecracking, chainsmoking granny", which is literally what peoples' complaints about her are. That's what Young sounds like, and her performance doesn't convey the sadistic gentemanliness of Freeza's character.

Nozawa does just fine with conveying what Goku is: a goofy idiot. If Nozawa made Goku sound like a wisecracking, chainsmoking granny, the comparison would hold some ground. But she doesn't. So it doesn't. What I find hilarious is the other way around. Most American fans who don't watch the Japanese version cite "Goku sounds like a girl" almost exclusively as their sole reason. It has nothing to do with characterization or anything. It's literally because of the way his (actually quite fitting) voice sounds.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:41 pm

I like Gotenks more than Vegito (a little better)

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Post by DonZ » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:46 pm

I think Android arc is better than Cell arc. and by the Android arc i mean after Frieza arc finished, until Cell begins his "Cell Games". i still like it thought, but it's one of my least favorite arcs (thought it has an amazing moments like Gohan going SSJ2, Vegeta's rage on Cell)

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