How strong is Hatchiyack?

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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by dario03 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:47 pm

Well Broly's power is MAXIMUM so... Hatchiyack is somehow beyond maximum??



:wink: But really I was wondering. Doesn't Goku say "he might be even more powerful than Broly". Been so long since I've seen that video but I thought he said that which to me would imply that Hatchiyack is right around M8 Broly with maybe a slight edge.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:11 pm

Wasn't Hatchiyack's Super Form only in the original Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans or something? I haven't actually seen this one, but I remember being told something to that effect.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by dario03 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:01 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Wasn't Hatchiyack's Super Form only in the original Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans or something? I haven't actually seen this one, but I remember being told something to that effect.
I could be wrong but I don't think the original original (the visual guide for the famicon game) had the alternate endings. And I'm pretty sure the alternate endings are the only ones that show his super, giant, and multi form. Those were on the Playdia version, so yeah not in the RB2 version or NES video guide version.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:03 pm

I have both of them here:
LSSJ Broly(M8): 4,000,000,000
Hatchiyaku: 4,200,000,000
Here's Cell just because:
Perfect Cell: 4,500,000,000
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:55 pm

Stronger than M8 Broly LSSJ and weaker than M10 Broly SSJ. In manga, I have him between Gohan SSJ (Cell Games) and Perfect Cell.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:18 pm

a little stronger than Movie 8 LSSJ Broly as might IMO probably means they are close with Hatchiyack being just ahead. Super Hatchiyack is probably a lot stronger. Both are below SSJ2 with Super Hatchiyack possibly being Super Perfect Cell level.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by Undertaker » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:32 pm

Hatchiyack > M8 LSSJ Broly who should be Cell Games FPSSJ tier

I would say Hatchiyack is around Base Bojack and above Cell Games SSJ Gohan but below Perfect Cell
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:13 pm

Movie 10 LSS Broly- Super Perfect Cell
Super Hatchiyak- Full Power Perfect Cell
Super Bojack- Between CG SS Gohan and FPPC.
Hatchiyak- Cell Games SS Gohan
Movie 8 LSS Broly- Warm-up Perfect Cell = Movie 10 SS Broly
Bojack- Cell Games Goku
Movie 8 SS Broly- Initial Perfect Cell
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by Undertaker » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:24 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Movie 10 LSS Broly- Super Perfect Cell
Super Hatchiyak- Full Power Perfect Cell
Super Bojack- Slightly below FPPC.
Hatchiyak- Cell Games SS Gohan
Movie 8 LSS Broly- Warm-up Perfect Cell = Movie 10 SS Broly
Bojack- Cell Games Goku
Movie 8 SS Broly- Initial Perfect Cell
Hatchiyack is > Cell Games SSJ Gohan and in par with Base Bojack IMO

M8 SSJ Broly ~ USSJ Trunks

M8 LSSJ Broly ~ Cell Games SSJ Gohan

Base Bojack > Cell Games SSJ Gohan

Super Hatchiyack > Perfect Cell
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:25 pm

I think base Bojack is weaker than Cell Games SS Gohan anyway.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by Undertaker » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:36 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I think base Bojack is weaker than Cell Games SS Gohan anyway.
That's wrong
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by Draken » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:01 pm

Undertaker wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I think base Bojack is weaker than Cell Games SS Gohan anyway.
That's wrong
Wow another fact you pulled out of somewhere, please, please, indulge us on where you find all this seemingly flawless information that is more correct than any of your peers' opinions.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:54 am

Doesn't Bojack say Gohan can't beat them, no matter how he tries?
Gohan also looked scared, when Bojack appeeared.
I would say that it at least kind of hints, that Gohan is below Base Bojack.
Here is my opinion:
M8 LSSJ Broly=close to CG FPSSJ Goku
Hatchiyack=CG FPSSJ Goku
Base Bojack=Suppressed Cell vs. Gohan/Goku
M10 LSSJ Broly=above SSJ2 Kid Gohan
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:56 am

Draken wrote:
Undertaker wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I think base Bojack is weaker than Cell Games SS Gohan anyway.
That's wrong
Wow another fact you pulled out of somewhere, please, please, indulge us on where you find all this seemingly flawless information that is more correct than any of your peers' opinions.
Didn't base Bojack kick SS Gohan's ass? M9 Gohan & Cell Games Gohan are the same.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:12 am

His henchmen could already kick his rear.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:14 am

Which means that what Undertaker says this time is a fact.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:31 pm

Didn't base Bojack kick SS Gohan's ass? M9 Gohan & Cell Games Gohan are the same.
No and no. Bojack beat everyone but Gohan up, transformed, and then beat Gohan up.
Which means that what Undertaker says this time is a fact.
Nope. Bojack's henchmen could manage something against Gohan by ganging up, but we never saw base Bojack and Gohan fight (power scaling is off in this movie anyway- Piccolo appears to be stronger than Vegeta, base Gohan easily blocks Cell Junior level attacks with his aura, base Goku appears to be stronger than SS Gohan). Even after he transformed, he still brought his gang as back-up and had them help him extensively. Base Bojack also can't tank Trunks, which he would be able to if he was anywhere near as strong as SS Gohan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:52 pm

They didn't manage anything, they outright beat him to the point, where he reverted to base.
Henchmen most likely couldn't do that to their leader, or else, well, he wouldn't be their leader.
Actually, they appear in the right order.First Piccolo, then Trunks, then Vegeta and the Gohan again.Bojack most likely let himself get hit, since he didn't care about Piccolo, evidenced by his expressions.
Base forms are always on par with their SSJ states in movies.Goku caught Bojack off-guard.
See, you can explain the weird power scaling.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:13 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:They didn't manage anything, they outright beat him to the point, where he reverted to base.
Henchmen most likely couldn't do that to their leader, or else, well, he wouldn't be their leader.
Actually, they appear in the right order.First Piccolo, then Trunks, then Vegeta and the Gohan again.Bojack most likely let himself get hit, since he didn't care about Piccolo, evidenced by his expressions.
Base forms are always on par with their SSJ states in movies.Goku caught Bojack off-guard.
See, you can explain the weird power scaling.
What kind of logic is that? Every leader has to be able to easily take out everyone else? What use would the gang even be at that rate? Not to mention that transformed Bojack probably can take the other four.

He let himself get hit by Piccolo and not Vegeta? Then let Piccolo deflect his attack but not Vegeta? Uh huh.

An off guard hit from a base saiyan shouldn't make a Cell tier guy bleed.

Still no evidence of base Bojack being stronger than Gohan, or Super Bojack being stronger than Cell. I have Super Bojack at 5,100,000,000, 85% of full power Cell.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Hatchiyack?

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:20 pm

It works like that in the series, no?
Freeza- the strongest of his battalion was less than 1/4 of his first form's power.
Well, what use are the Ginyus too?
He didn't care about Piccolo.I mean, what guy fights somebody with his hands folded up and just lazily knees his enemy in stomach?
He actually tried against Vegeta and even transforms, while beating him up.Same with Trunks.He used a barrier to block his ki blasts.
It's Toei logic.The base Saiyans are haxed and Piccolo managed to send Freeza flying like crazy, yet he was like over 30x weaker, if I account Krillin and Gohan's power.
Gohan's expression of fear to Base Bojack, plus his comment on his ki, kind of hints at that.Bojack also says he can't beat them, no matter how he tries.
FP Bojack I believe is roughly equals with FP PC.He manages to dispell SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha with his attack.That's a rather crazy feat for Cell saga, wouldn't you say?
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