How strong is Hatchiyack?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Didn't base Bojack kick SS Gohan's ass? M9 Gohan & Cell Games Gohan are the same.

No and no.

Oh, OK I was wrong. But still, I don't understand why you have M9 Gohan < CG Gohan.

[PerfectFreeza]

Porbably because it takes place after Cell Games and Gohan, you know, didn't train after.

[Xeogran]

How did it turn from Hatchiyack topic onto Broly topic onto Cell topic onto Bojack topic? Miracles happening everywhere

[PerfectFreeza]

These guys are kind of a measuring stick for Hatchiyack, Broly especially for reasons obvious.

[Insertclevername]

Porbably because it takes place after Cell Games and Gohan, you know, didn't train after.

I doubt Movie 9 takes place long enough for Gohan to have lost any strength after the Cell Games. It's probably like...a month or two?

[Kamiccolo9]

Porbably because it takes place after Cell Games and Gohan, you know, didn't train after.

I doubt Movie 9 takes place long enough for Gohan to have lost any strength after the Cell Games. It's probably like...a month or two?

Daizenshuu 6 says it's "several months after the Cell Games." So, more than three, and less than a year. I'd guess that it's somewhere closer to the beginning of that time frame, since everyone except Trunks looks exactly the same as the last time we saw them, and Trunks could have just waited a while to come back from the future.

[RandomGuy96]

It works like that in the series, no?
Freeza- the strongest of his battalion was less than 1/4 of his first form's power.
Well, what use are the Ginyus too?
He didn't care about Piccolo.I mean, what guy fights somebody with his hands folded up and just lazily knees his enemy in stomach?
He actually tried against Vegeta and even transforms, while beating him up.Same with Trunks.He used a barrier to block his ki blasts.
It's Toei logic.The base Saiyans are haxed and Piccolo managed to send Freeza flying like crazy, yet he was like over 30x weaker, if I account Krillin and Gohan's power.
Gohan's expression of fear to Base Bojack, plus his comment on his ki, kind of hints at that.Bojack also says he can't beat them, no matter how he tries.
FP Bojack I believe is roughly equals with FP PC.He manages to dispell SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha with his attack.That's a rather crazy feat for Cell saga, wouldn't you say?

Just because some people work like that doesn't mean all gangs automatically work like that. One thing I actually liked about this movie is that the henchmen did something other than job.

He didn't seem to give any shits about Vegeta or Trunks. He just transformed after he'd stomped both of them to show off/fight Gohan.

Sending someone flying is way different than punching them in the face and making them bleed. Freeza was undamaged and unhurt by Piccolo's kick.

Him being concerned about a large ki along with three other ones doesn't automatically mean that ki > him, unless you believe stuff like Vegeta > Bido and Zangya. Who says Bojack can sense ki? Also, where does Gohan even have this fearful look? I want to see the circumstances.

He uses his psuedo-Final Flash to cancel out Gohan's uncharged Kamehameha and gets killed in one punch. Can easily be explained by one attack being more amplified than the other... also, canceling out attacks has no set strength limit and seems very easy to do in Toeiland. Piccolo did it with base Bojack's blast earlier in the movie. There's also the fact that Gohan just quickly fired it and stopped, without putting more power into it. It seems no different than Nappa's mouth blast vs Goku's Kamehameha.

Bojack didn't really do anything to impress me- the fact that he still had his gang help out against Gohan indicates to me that Gohan is not one-shot fodder to him. I see no reason to have him higher than 5,100,000,000 at full power to this SS Gohan's 4,300,000,000 (for reference, FP Perfect Cell is 6,300,000,000 on my list). SS Gohan was even able to fend him off for a while- can you honestly see him doing the same to someone as strong as Full Power Perfect Cell? I think Full Power Perfect Cell can stomp any of the film villains that are counterparts to him- in Bojack's case, he can probably just rip his arm off and beat him to death with it...

[PerfectFreeza]

Then why he would be their leader?The henchmen solo seem to be on Cell Jr.'s level, judging by Zangya's fight against Trunks.
He was off-guard and he didn't expect Goku to appear, plus it's Toei logic.The base forms are rabid in the movies.
Umm, why would Vegeta be above these too?

Spoiler:

That's his expression of fear, when Base Bojack iintroduces himself.
Actually, he survives his punch and Gohan charged up the Kamehameha bit.In Toeiland, the attacks aren't amplified.
He barely lasted a while, against all 4 of them though.What is weird, is that Gohan got beaten down easily by just the henchmen and then could fight all of them at once in the 2nd round.

[RandomGuy96]

Then why he would be their leader?The henchmen solo seem to be on Cell Jr.'s level, judging by Zangya's fight against Trunks.
He was off-guard and he didn't expect Goku to appear, plus it's Toei logic.The base forms are rabid in the movies.
Umm, why would Vegeta be above these too?

Spoiler:

That's his expression of fear, when Base Bojack iintroduces himself.
Actually, he survives his punch and Gohan charged up the Kamehameha bit.In Toeiland, the attacks aren't amplified.
He barely lasted a while, against all 4 of them though.What is weird, is that Gohan got beaten down easily by just the henchmen and then could fight all of them at once in the 2nd round.

Because he's the strongest and... I don't know, a good leader?

It's just an example of the inconsistent as hell power scaling in this movie.

They seem more concerned when he shows up than Gohan does when Bojack shows up.

Just looks like he's concerned that powerful aliens invaded his planet.

I was talking about the other punch. It's still a Final Flash esque attack vs a barley charged Kamehameha that didn't have any force behind it (it's just instantly fired and forgot). Gohan also could've been toying too.

Yeah, that's my point. He could fend off Bojack and three other guys without getting squashed. I can't imagine him doing the same to Full Power Perfect Cell at all. That's why I only have Bojack at 5,100,000,000 in his super mode; a few notches above SS Gohan, but not Full Power Perfect Cell level. He doesn't really need to be any higher.