Your inside "fanon" things

[DNA]

I also think Dabura was the Dai Makaioshin

I think he was a grade below that, more equal to the Supreme Kai(west,east,etc.)

At best I would think him a Makaio. Also I believe there are no cardinals in Makai, simply one Makaio and one Makaioshin, my reasoning for this is that Makai is not big enough to justify cardinal gods.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think Kaioshin said Dabura was the strongest of the demons

[Saiga]

The SEG that introduced the Makaioshin concept also said they're currently weaker than the Kaioshin (whatever the fuck "currently" is supposed to mean) so I always just thought Dabra was basically Makai's version of Goku and co, a mortal who becomes stronger than the gods.

[DBZAOTA482]

Zenkai is a glimpse of dormanted powers.

[OmegaRockman]

I sometimes like to think that since Joji Yanami played both the narrator and Kaio-sama that the whole series is actually narrated by Kaio-sama, maybe telling a future student or some of the other gods in the Dragon World the story of the life of his greatest student. I know it's stupid, but I like that thought.

[DNA]

I sometimes like to think that since Joji Yanami played both the narrator and Kaio-sama that the whole series is actually narrated by Kaio-sama, maybe telling a future student or some of the other gods in the Dragon World the story of the life of his greatest student. I know it's stupid, but I like that thought.

Heh, I don't think it's stupid, it's actually pretty cool :) I can imagine that now.

[Insertclevername]

That's awesome OmegaRockman! Like DNA said, your post isn't stupid at all.

[Famicon3DS]

A saiyan has to go through extreme grief and anger (both come together at times) to become a Super Saiyan.
Goku Jr.'s parents died sometime before the GT special, as such Goku Jr. is traumatized by it and only has his Grandma Pan to take care and love him. ( I started to tear up writing this )

[DNA]

*Rise from your grave!*

*Raises flame shield*
I believe Broli survived his battle against Gohan by raising a ki shield at the last moment, he survived in a type of coma in the surface of the Sun, protected by his ki barrier.
He later returned to challenge our heroes again and achieved Legendary Super Saiyan 3 state.

[Ringworm128]

Goku did a tiny bit of education between the 23rd TB and Raditz so he does actually know a few things like some "big words" and basic math.

[DNA]

Goku did a tiny bit of education between the 23rd TB and Raditz so he does actually know a few things like some "big words" and basic math.

He had already studied with Mutenroshi. Math and languages were part of the training.

[Ringworm128]

Oh yeah.....

[Zephyr]

Pilaf is actually a member of Garlic Jr.'s clan, only incredibly weak and useless, so he was abandoned. Similar to what the Saiyans did with Tarble.

It would explain his similar appearance, similar voice, and his knowledge of the Dragon Balls.

[Ringworm128]

Doesn't he only have a similar voice in the Funimation dub? But yeah, I've always had that head canon too.

[Cursed Lemon]

1. I never believed that any level of super saiyan REQUIRED an emotional upheaval to achieve.

2. I believe that USSJ has the same ki/energy potential as SSJ2. So theoretically, Trunks could've beaten Cell in a beam war.

3. I think that saiyan strength moves on a "sliding scale" with regard to SSJ levels, as has been previously talked about. A saiyan's strength continues to go up, but he will only reach super saiyan when expending a certain percentage of his strength; this makes SSJ2 and SSJ3 simply previously untapped potentials of the same base "reservoir" of strength that a saiyan has to learn to access. This doesn't really make much sense in one way, considering that would mean that any low-level saiyan could theoretically achieve his OWN level of super saiyan. However, it doesn't make any sense in the way that the series depicts it either, because a base Goku by the Buu arc could've absolutely whomped on Freeza without a second thought.

[DNA]

I'm confused with the third point you're trying to make, but it reminds me that I strongly disbelieve that in order to achieve Super Saiyan a Saiyan has to have a certain power level. That's not only ridiculous, it was never stated anywhere official and the franchise itself contradicts it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I strongly disbelieve that in order to achieve Super Saiyan a Saiyan has to have a certain power level. That's not only ridiculous, it was never stated anywhere official and the franchise itself contradicts it.

Wrong. Daizenshuu/Chozenshuu, GT Perfect Files, and maybe other guides state that one of the conditions to achieve Super Saiyan is to have a battle power beyond the Saiyan limits. The first known Saiyan we saw to be beyond the Saiyan limits was Goku when he arrived on Namek, with battle power 90.000.

The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.

Super Saiyan 1
The transformation which Son Goku displayed in his battle with Freeza on Planet Namek was “Super Saiyan 1”!! Proposed conditions for the transformation include such points as “intense anger or sorrow”, “high battle power”, “a gentle heart”, and “a dangerous situation”. The main external features are an aura and golden hair on one’s head which stands straight up, and after the transformation one’s battle power increases remarkably!! One theory is that it becomes as much as 50 times what it is normally!! There’s also types like Grade Two, which raises power and speed through ki, and Grade Three, which relies too much on power!!

Chapter: 270 (DBZ 76), P12.5
Narrator: “Even Goku hasn’t realized…That somewhere along the line he’s acquired enough power to surpass the level of Saiyan limits…”

Context: after Goku knocks out Recoom
Vegeta: “T-that just now wasn’t an attack…He can’t fool my eyes…It was a stupendously heavy blow…He’s clearly surpassed the fighting level of Saiyans…He’s a completely different person than the one I fought on Earth…What the hell kind of training did he do?...Was the legend true…!? Is he a Super Saiyan…!?”

Arrival on Planet Namek: 90,000
Training under gravity 100 times that of Earth, he breaks through the limits of previous Saiyan. In addition, he is now able to endure the Kaio-ken up to x10.

Note
This would be derived from the fact that Goku's battle power while using the Kaio-ken at this point was said to be 180,000 in the manga. Since Kaio-ken was said to double Goku's battle power, normally he would be 90,000. This fits in with Ginyu's statements in the manga. Before Goku used the Kaio-ken, Ginyu estimated that Goku was at about 85,000.

And how was this contradicted in the series?

[Rocketman]

I'm confused with the third point you're trying to make, but it reminds me that I strongly disbelieve that in order to achieve Super Saiyan a Saiyan has to have a certain power level. That's not only ridiculous, it was never stated anywhere official and the franchise itself contradicts it.

I dunno, if it was just based on rage, Vegeta should've become one during MY WRATH.

[RandomGuy96]

Doesn't it have to be a certain type of rage?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The conditions are:

• intense anger or sorrow
• high battle power
• a gentle heart
• a dangerous situation

But they obviously don't apply to Goten & Trunks, since they are special:

The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.