Nail And The Ginyu Force

[Draken]

I use Ginyu's comment about Goku being able to school them at 60,000 as my primary basis, and try not to rank them too low because of that. I think they're 45,000 at least, maybe even 50,000. If they were 40,000 or lower I think Ginyu's estimation would be completely inaccurate.

That seems a bit high to me. Vegeta shouldn't have even been able to scratch Recoome if he was that much higher than him.

How so? In terms of battle power differences I think a 13,000 gap between them is fine.. I think you are forgetting that Ki blasts are usually multiples of the users battle power. PIccolo's Makankosappo was 3 times more powerful than his actual battle power.

I think you're forgetting that ki blasts and multipliers are extremely extremely inconsistent.

[Hitiro]

I think you're forgetting that ki blasts and multipliers are extremely extremely inconsistent.

When exactly? I've not really seen them be inconsistent.

[Saiga]

I use Ginyu's comment about Goku being able to school them at 60,000 as my primary basis, and try not to rank them too low because of that. I think they're 45,000 at least, maybe even 50,000. If they were 40,000 or lower I think Ginyu's estimation would be completely inaccurate.

That seems a bit high to me. Vegeta shouldn't have even been able to scratch Recoome if he was that much higher than him.

I don't see how. Vegeta's Gallick Gun matched Goku's KK3 Kamehameha, which was higher than his own battle power, before he learned to control his own ki. I'd expect that he could pull off even more powerful attacks than that.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta's normal punches and uncharged blasts damaged Recoome, and Captain Ginyu said that someone at 60,000 could one-shot Recoome. I think he's 40,000 at the absolute most.

[Saiga]

Vegeta's normal punches and uncharged blasts damaged Recoome, and Captain Ginyu said that someone at 60,000 could one-shot Recoome. I think he's 40,000 at the absolute most.

I don't think Goku needs to be that much stronger than Recoome to one-shot him when he caught him off guard, it was explicitly said that Recoome left himself open. Vegeta's panicking and attitude makes me feel like the gap between him and Recoome is much bigger than what Zarbon had over him the first time he transformed, too.

[RandomGuy96]

Even so, 40,000 would be the max I'd put Recoome at (30,000 being the lowest amount I'd put Monster Zarbon at). I just think that Vegeta's hits wouldn't have had any effect at all if he was stronger than that. There should at least be a bigger gap between the hypothetical Ginyu stomper and the Ginyus than there is between Vegeta and Recoome.

[Saiga]

Even so, 40,000 would be the max I'd put Recoome at (30,000 being the lowest amount I'd put Monster Zarbon at). I just think that Vegeta's hits wouldn't have had any effect at all if he was stronger than that. There should at least be a bigger gap between the hypothetical Ginyu stomper and the Ginyus than there is between Vegeta and Recoome.

I wouldn't think so. I got the impression from Jheese and Butta's commentary that Vegeta was outperforming their expectations even though they knew his battle power, so the gap was bigger than he made it look.

[RandomGuy96]

I think they're under the impression that a 75% gap should be more like Cui vs Vegeta than Vegeta vs Recoome. Recoome would have to have relatively shit durability for Vegeta's hits to damage him when he's as high as 45,000, and I don't think the story implied that at all. If anything, Krillin and Gohan (and even Jeice) implied that the gap was SMALLER than Recoome was making it look, and that it wasn't natural for him to just get back up after all those attacks.

[Saiga]

I don't remember Vegeta damaging Recoome with anything but his Final Crash and upside-down blast, which could both plausibly damage Recoome with a huge gap (being a charged attack for the first and point-blank ki blast for the second).

[RandomGuy96]

He seemed to bloody or scratch Recoome with punches in his initial barrage.

I'm not sure why a point blank ki blast would be any more effective than a normal one, or a punch.

[Saiga]

He seemed to bloody or scratch Recoome with punches in his initial barrage.

I'm not sure why a point blank ki blast would be any more effective than a normal one, or a punch.

Well, ki attacks at point blank range seem to be more effective than when they're launched from range. Either way Recoome wasn't expecting the attack, and was still hardly injured.