Buu Saga: The Best/Worst Saga In DBZ

[mAcChaos]

From the way people talk about how the Saiyan and Freeza arcs were better, it sounds like they are indirectly saying the Cell Saga was the worst one. :V

[Saiga]

From the way people talk about how the Saiyan and Freeza arcs were better, it sounds like they are indirectly saying the Cell Saga was the worst one. :V

It is, for me. Well, maybe the Freeza arc is worse, I'm not really sure how I'd compare them. That's not to say it's a bad arc, it's still better than most of the Dragon Ball ones - Daimao and 23rd Budokai are the only ones I'd like more - but I definitely think it's weaker than the Saiyan and Boo arcs, and weaker than the earlier Namek arc.

[DBZ Mick]

Well, Cell saga is better than the Artificial Humans arc. for me Cell sneaking around absorbing people and the Cell Game alone is better than the boring 16, 17 and 18 joyriding and annoying Vegeta and lacklustre battles.

[Victorious]

Buu saga is easily the weakest saga.

1. Kaioshin making a cool and mysterious debut and turning to be a total wuss and worthless.
2. Buu is a villain that just lacks character depth and personality unlike Cell and Freeza.
3. Buu is a villain that has a stupid design for the most part. A retarded pink genie
4. Buu's regeneration is so haxed it gets very annoying watching the Z senshi fight him, what's the point you know?
5. Piccolo becoming obsolete and a baby sitter.
6. Not only was the main super villain weak, the minor villains were weak as well [Dabura, Babidi, Spopovich, Yamu, Pui pui, Yakkon are all garbage].
7. Goten, Kid Trunks, and Gotenks is super annoying
8. Whole Gotenks sequence of events is just a massive and annoying gag sequence.
9. Goku finishing off Buu while Gohan and Gotenks were far more powerful than him. Just meaningless Goku homerism

[MCDaveG]

Don't touch me Buu saga motherf**kerz!

[DBZAOTA482]

6. Not only was the main super villain weak, the minor villains were weak as well [Dabura, Babidi, Spopovich, Yamu, Pui pui, Yakkon are all garbage].

Hey, I like Dabra. I agree with the other minor villains sucking though.

[DonZ]

Seriously, i feel like i'm the only one who likes Gotenks.

[ABED]

6. Not only was the main super villain weak, the minor villains were weak as well [Dabura, Babidi, Spopovich, Yamu, Pui pui, Yakkon are all garbage].

Buu killed almost everyone, destroyed the Earth, and nearly won, how is that weak?

[B]

Buu saga is easily the weakest saga.

1. Kaioshin making a cool and mysterious debut and turning to be a total wuss and worthless.
2. Buu is a villain that just lacks character depth and personality unlike Cell and Freeza.
3. Buu is a villain that has a stupid design for the most part. A retarded pink genie
4. Buu's regeneration is so haxed it gets very annoying watching the Z senshi fight him, what's the point you know?
5. Piccolo becoming obsolete and a baby sitter.
6. Not only was the main super villain weak, the minor villains were weak as well [Dabura, Babidi, Spopovich, Yamu, Pui pui, Yakkon are all garbage].
7. Goten, Kid Trunks, and Gotenks is super annoying
8. Whole Gotenks sequence of events is just a massive and annoying gag sequence.
9. Goku finishing off Buu while Gohan and Gotenks were far more powerful than him. Just meaningless Goku homerism

Without tearing into each of these, they're all easily avoidable depending on what you were expecting to get out of this arc. I probably already said this earlier in this very thread, but the fact that this was the end of Dragon Ball puts all of these bullet points in a positive light. If the story had continued, then you might be on to something, but for the most part DB ended as it began; silly and off-the-cuff; and thematically, that's an appreciative route that Toriyama took.

[RandomGuy96]

One of the main reasons I like the Buu Saga is that Buu isn't an unholy boring copy paste of Saiyan Saga Vegeta, like Freeza and Perfect Cell.

[TheGmGoken]

One of the main reasons I like the Buu Saga is that Buu isn't an unholy boring copy paste of Saiyan Saga Vegeta, like Freeza and Perfect Cell.

Freeza wasn't a copy and paste. Perfect Cell...well...kinda but he did have Vegeta in him.

[ABED]

It makes sense that Cell is a copy and paste villain, since he was made up of the Cells of people like Freeza and Vegeta.

[RandomGuy96]

One of the main reasons I like the Buu Saga is that Buu isn't an unholy boring copy paste of Saiyan Saga Vegeta, like Freeza and Perfect Cell.

Freeza wasn't a copy and paste. Perfect Cell...well...kinda but he did have Vegeta in him.

Freeza is a very blatant copy paste. He and Vegeta are basically the same character.

[TheGmGoken]

One of the main reasons I like the Buu Saga is that Buu isn't an unholy boring copy paste of Saiyan Saga Vegeta, like Freeza and Perfect Cell.

Freeza wasn't a copy and paste. Perfect Cell...well...kinda but he did have Vegeta in him.

Freeza is a very blatant copy paste. He and Vegeta are basically the same character.

I don't see it at ALL. Perfect Cell yes. Freeza not so much. Freeza is his own character

[Victorious]

Cell is a lot more similar to Goku and Vegeta than he is to Freeza IMO. In his Perfect form he just looks a like Freeza a lot on the face, although his body is a completely different design.

I thought Super Buu with Gotenks/Gohan absorbed was just a lamer version of Cell.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't see it at ALL. Perfect Cell yes. Freeza not so much. Freeza is his own character

They have so many similarities it's not even funny:

-They're both arrogant sadists.
-They're both short, but deadly.
-They both let their henchmen fight the weaker heroes, despite being way more than enough to stomp any of the heroes.
-It takes all of their henchmen being killed to get them off their asses.
-They're both terrible bosses who murder henchmen on a whim.
-They're both princes
-They both boast about being the strongest in the universe.
-They both are mad durable, shrugging off Goku's full power kaio-ken Kamehameha (which Goku can barley do without getting injured and exhausted) and the Spirit Bomb.
-King Kai builds them both up as the ultimate bad guy.
-They both have a tough muscular henchman who beats down all the heroes, including the villain turned temporary anti-hero, only to be roflstomped by Goku.
-They both act somewhat polite the heroes, in a smug condescending sort of way, only to become brutal and ruthless when they get serious and show their true face.
-They both offer Goku a chance to join them.
-They both are essentially spoiled brats who throw a temper tantrum when surpassed.
-They both attempt to blow up the planet when Goku outmatches them.
-They both copy Krillin's Kienzan.
-They both get their tails cut off.
-They both want the dragon balls to get immortality.
-They both essentially toy with Goku while beating him down... until he powers up and surpasses them, then they freak out like outlined above.

The only difference is in their defeats. Vegeta starts copying Piccolo while Freeza starts copying Tao. Outlined:

The villain, after killing one of Goku's friends and beating him to a pulp, now finds himself horribly outclassed. Battered and beaten, he begs for mercy from Goku. Goku begrudgingly grants him some. However, the villain just uses this as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Goku. Goku counters and retaliates, finishing the bad guy off for good...

...or so it would seem. It turns out that the villain's older (but weaker) partner has found his remains and has had him rebuilt as a cyborg. The cyborg is even stronger than the original, and is hungry for revenge. However, he has the misfortune of showing up in an arc centering around a much more powerful antagonist, and is basically demoted to a side villain. He shows up and all the jobbers start crapping themselves, exclaiming that he's so strong. But then a high level side character (and the second strongest Z fighter after Goku) shows up to fight. He's drastically superior to the cyborg, and offers him a chance to leave in peace. The villain scoffs at this and attacks. The side character easily counters the attack and defeats the cyborg in one blow.

I thought Super Buu with Gotenks/Gohan absorbed was just a lamer version of Cell.

That's like saying you're more useless than Chiaotzu. It can't be done.

[ABED]

You gave a lot of specific events, but Freeza is overly polite almost gentlemanly, as is in fact the emperor, and seems more active in the day to day operations of the planet trade business. I don't recall Vegeta being polite, in fact I recall him throwing insults at the Z Team like calling Yamcha's corpse a piece of trash.

I don't recall Kaio building up Vegeta as the ultimate evil, a great evil, but not the ultimate. He did however imply Freeza was the root.
Vegeta has one powerful henchman, Freeza has entire armies, and an elite team.
Freeza shrugs off the Kaio-ken x10, but the x20 does little more than burn his hand, and not even that badly.
Freeza isn't just a short villain, he has several transformations, one of which he towers over anyone.
I don't see Vegeta as killing his henchman on a whim. He kills them when they prove no longer useful.
Vegeta and Freeza's tails have completely different uses. Vegeta's tail was neccessary to increase his power.
Vegeta isn't really a sadist. He enjoys seeing people in pain, but Freeza enjoys it to a far greater degree. Vegeta doesn't torture people nearly to the extent Freeza does.

You wrote "blatant". Do you think Toriyama was trying to make them so alike?

So what if Vegeta and Freeza have similarities? How is that a bad thing? He's not a carbon copy.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I feel like I should clarify that when I say "Cell arc", I mean the whole arc from when Trunks comes back in time for the first time to when Gohan defeats Cell. That whole arc, for me, is terrible for the most part. I don't feel like time travel belongs in a series like DB, and introducing the concept then, well after the halfway point of the series, seemed like a lazy plot device. But I could accept it if it led to interesting things down the track, just like I accepted the fact that there was a pink demon sealed away in the centre of the Earth because that gave us humour, fusion etc. But of course the time travel plot leads to nothing interesting or enjoyable and falls apart when you apply even the smallest amount of critical thinking to it. It's clearer in the Cell arc than any other arc that Toriyama was writing the story as he went along, and the time travel plot is a convoluted mess, especially when Cell comes into the picture and introduces a third timeline. And the solution to the threat of the new androids is to train in the time chamber, which now allows the characters to get a year's worth of training in a day and is the biggest plot convenience in the series.

[DonZ]

One of the most reasons why i don't like the Buu arc that much, cuz it ruined the perfect ending of Cell arc. it was 100000000000000x times better than the ending we got -_-
and the arc itself isn't really needed, it's like Toriyama pulls it out of his ass, just to give the fans another arc. you can see that everything was done at the point of cell arc ending. but it definitely got it high points, like the fusion concept, which is totally amazing. and scenes like "Vegeta's sacrifice" and "You're #1, Goku!" just made the arc a lot better.

[DonZ]

I think the Majin Buu arc started out so good, it had potential to be one of the best arc in the series, but it got wasted. as long as the arc kept going, it only got worse and worse. the Tenkaichi Budokai part (Babidi saga) was so good. the whole Majin Vegeta thing was well-played and i liked it, but after Vegeta's sacrifice it started going downhill so fast!