DBZ Characters are nerfed for Crossovers?

[dbzfan7]

He was an amazing Shishio, who's badass factor negates your Dragon Ball plus bonus, netting me the win.

But the crappy tedious arc brings down the badass factor, so i guess were even.

[Kamiccolo9]

He was an amazing Shishio, who's badass factor negates your Dragon Ball plus bonus, netting me the win.

But the crappy tedious arc brings down the badass factor, so i guess were even.

The Kyoto Arc? Crappy and tedious? Surely you jest.

Or were you talking about the Digimon arc?

[dbzfan7]

He was an amazing Shishio, who's badass factor negates your Dragon Ball plus bonus, netting me the win.

But the crappy tedious arc brings down the badass factor, so i guess were even.

The Kyoto Arc? Crappy and tedious? Surely you jest.

Or were you talking about the Digimon arc?

The one where they tediously destroyed stones that are never mentioned again. Only high light was the badass perfect level who returned with his awesome insta kill trick.

[Kamiccolo9]

The one where they tediously destroyed stones that are never mentioned again. Only high light was the badass perfect level who returned with his awesome insta kill trick.

Oh, ok. I thought you were talking about the Kenshin arc for a second. Whew.

I honestly didn't mind the Destiny Stone "arc." Plus it brought MagnaAngemon back for an episode that was awesome (I'm assuming that's what you're talking about?) Plus Mummymon and Arukenimon were cool. They reminded me of Team Rocket

I thought that the World Tour arc was much more tedious.

[Saiga]

The Milleniummon were mentioned, but here's also Wisemon who is omniscient and almost omnipresent, and can trap enemies anywhere in space-time it wishes, Lucemon Falldown Mode has a technique which is a 50/50 chance of either instantly killing the victim or gravely wounding them, Tactimon can bust starts by drawing his katana, several Digimon can create black holes, and there's plenty of other broken abilities like that. Even some of the weakest Ultimate/Mega Digimon are planet busters according to their official profiles.

Tactimon never showed that off in the anime. Even after his sword was unsealed he got his ass kicked. Wisemon had his own pocket dimension in his book, but if he was that powerful he would have ended the threat in season 6. I never watched season 4. Either their card or manga events were more impressive or they were nerfed in the anime.

Not in the anime, no, but I take the Bandai profiles more seriously than the anime series. ESPECIALLY Xros Wars. And his profile clearly says he's a star buster, one of his moves is even called "Star Splitter".

[dbzfan7]

Not in the anime, no, but I take the Bandai profiles more seriously than the anime series. ESPECIALLY Xros Wars. And his profile clearly says he's a star buster, one of his moves is even called "Star Splitter".

Well then he sucks in the anime.

The one where they tediously destroyed stones that are never mentioned again. Only high light was the badass perfect level who returned with his awesome insta kill trick.

Oh, ok. I thought you were talking about the Kenshin arc for a second. Whew.

I honestly didn't mind the Destiny Stone "arc." Plus it brought MagnaAngemon back for an episode that was awesome (I'm assuming that's what you're talking about?) Plus Mummymon and Arukenimon were cool. They reminded me of Team Rocket

I thought that the World Tour arc was much more tedious.

I am not much of a fan of 02 to be honest.

[Saiga]

Not in the anime, no, but I take the Bandai profiles more seriously than the anime series. ESPECIALLY Xros Wars. And his profile clearly says he's a star buster, one of his moves is even called "Star Splitter".

Well then he sucks in the anime.

You bet. The power levels in Xros Wars are totally out of whack, though.

[MarcFBR]

'looks around' Odd... this looks like Kanzenshuu... not like my Digimon site.

Guys, keep it relevant to DBZ in regards to crossovers, this isn't a Digimon site.

[dbzfan7]

'looks around' Odd... this looks like Kanzenshuu... not like my Digimon site.

Guys, keep it relevant to DBZ in regards to crossovers, this isn't a Digimon site.

Your avatar scares me.

Going off all the anime I watched and manga I read, the only thing I can see beating DBZ characters with relative ease would be Saint Seiya and Gurren Lagann. Dont even get me started on the ludicrousy that is Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. This SOB is literally 52.8 BILLION light years tall.



Heres a little video showing the size comparison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJzYSswcj0 Keep in mind thats just Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The super version is ten times its size.

Megas would beat it somehow. It's a walking plot device.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And like I said, Ki & Devil Fruits don't co-exist in the same world

Exactly... Why do you assume then that Ki would be ineffective? You simply don't know...

Because even if Haki & Ki are similar, they are not the same. And since Ki doesn't co-exist with the Devil Fruits, they shouldn't have any relation.

Take as an example Superboy-Prime. While both he & Superman are Kryptonians, there is no Kryptonite in Superboy-Prime's world, which is why Kryptonite doesn't affect him at all, unlike Superman.

[rereboy]

And like I said, Ki & Devil Fruits don't co-exist in the same world

Exactly... Why do you assume then that Ki would be ineffective? You simply don't know...

Because even if Haki & Ki are similar, they are not the same. And since Ki doesn't co-exist with the Devil Fruits, they shouldn't have any relation.

Take as an example Superboy-Prime. While both he & Superman are Kryptonians, there is no Kryptonite in Superboy-Prime's world, which is why Kryptonite doesn't affect him at all, unlike Superman.

That's like saying that if there is only one substance on Earth that produces a certain result when applied to another substance, then its safe to assume that a substance that doesn't exist on Earth at all will not produce that result. Can't you see how wrong that assumption is...? How could you possibly assume that regarding an unknown substance that has never been tested or experienced on Earth? You simply can't... If it doesn't even exist on Earth and no one has ever tested it or experience it, all about that substance is unknown, including the way it reacts with other substances.

Ki and logias are exactly like that. In fact, the little we have to go on actually implies that Ki is somewhat similar to the one thing that hurts logias, Haki. Its not something completely different at all. And yet, despite being wrong to assume any result on principle and despite that the little we have to go on actually implies that Ki and Haki are somewhat similar, you insist that we should assume that Ki couldn't possibly hurt logias and you are certain of it...

As for you Superboy Prime example, that's not a very good example. The author could have made him weak to Kriptonite, despite the fact that there is no Kriptonite on his universe, just as easily, and it would be logical as well. And before the author actually answered that question, if two fans had a discussion about it, it would be wrong of them to assume that he would be immune or that he would be affected by it. It would simply be unknown. At most that could consider a certain result as more likely given the little that had to go on.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Anyway, there is no reason to assume that Ki could or couldn't affect the Logia-users. I don't believe it can because Ki doesn't exist in the One Piece World.

[rereboy]

I believe that if Ki doesn't affect logias, it would be because its significantly different from haki to not affect them, and not because it doesn't exist on their world (atomic bombs also don't exist on their world, that doesn't mean that if one suddenly exploded over there everyone should be immune to it.)

[Pantalones]

Taking "only _____ can hurt me" statements from one series as if they meant "only _____ can hurt me, and that also means things that I've never heard about and/or don't even exist in this universe can't hurt me" is pretty shaky logic. It's one thing to say "we don't know for sure, but this (might/might not) work", but just flat out assuming that ki wouldn't affect someone just because it doesn't match up perfectly with haki is kind of silly. (And what if ki and haki were exactly the same aside from the name? Would something as unimportant as a different name be enough to say "nope, wouldn't work, not the same" over?)

I'm pretty sure the intention behind Logia fruit users being only able to be harmed by haki and other Logia users (...usually) is that they're immune to normal physical blows because of their weird body composition. You can't just punch fire or lightning or light or smoke or anything like that with an ordinary human fist and expect to do much to it, after all. But a ki blast does not qualify as a normal physical blow by any means, and ki-infused physical attacks are not all that different from haki-infused physical attacks (they are both physical attacks infused with some not-quite-physical force that's described as being made up of non-physical things like "ambition," "youthful energy," or "being in one's right mind," after all.)