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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:36 pm

DBz should have been made by Disney :lolno: .

Vegeta should have stayed dead the 2nd time.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:39 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:
DonZ wrote:I think Goku's first death is sadder than his 2nd death (more like sacrifice) against Cell. that's so unpopular :lol:
anyone agree or i'm the only one who think that ?
It's sad, yeah. All though it's hard to have dramatic tension when they're saying he'll be revived before he's even dead. But I do love Kuririn's scream when Goku dies.

I don't know, the second death is more dramatic, and it's very touching too. I guess I lean a little more towards that one.
Yeah, the best thing about his 2nd death is you'd be like "he won't be revived back this time" unlike the first one which Kuririn even said that he will bring him back :lol:
but it was so suprising, i didn't thought he was going to die, and Kuririn screaming was so sad, with that amazing dramatic Soundtrack too :(
Tanaka Mayumi did really good job in this scene

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:41 pm

I think GT ending is better than Z. it's a mysterious theme kind of ending, there's a lot of questions like .. what happened to Goku? is he dead? why did he left with Shenron? what was Vegeta trying to tell him before he left? how did he showed up in the Tenkaichi Budokai and suddenly disappeared right when pan saw him? (the same thing happened when he met Kuririn and Muten Roshi at Kame House, Piccolo in the other world)
i like how they show Goku's coming back after 100 years, with all the Z fighters being dead except for Pan. the ending in general felt just epic if you asked me. the best thing happened in GT is the ending.

Cell arc ending > Original Dragon Ball ending > GT ending > Buu arc ending
that's how i rank them.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:11 pm

DonZ wrote:Cell arc ending > Original Dragon Ball ending
Why so?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:45 pm

People who died should have stayed dead after being revived once (as in if you die the second time, netiher Porunga nor Shenron can revive you), since it would have made character deaths have more value.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Zephyr » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:11 pm

Hades wrote:People who died should have stayed dead after being revived once (as in if you die the second time, netiher Porunga nor Shenron can revive you), since it would have made character deaths have more value.
I agree with that to an extent. I mean, what point did Chaozu's revival even have? After his second death, he literally did nothing. His sacrifice against Nappa was the last thing he ever did.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by CaBrPi » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:35 pm

Zephyr wrote:
Hades wrote:People who died should have stayed dead after being revived once (as in if you die the second time, netiher Porunga nor Shenron can revive you), since it would have made character deaths have more value.
I agree with that to an extent. I mean, what point did Chaozu's revival even have? After his second death, he literally did nothing. His sacrifice against Nappa was the last thing he ever did.
Chaozu never really did anything, though... :P

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:47 pm

ABED wrote:
DonZ wrote:Cell arc ending > Original Dragon Ball ending
Why so?
in the original ending, we didn't get to know what will happen to Piccolo, will he remain evil or become one of the Z fighter. in Cell arc everything was done. Gohan achieved his potential power (SSJ2) Goku passing his legacy to Gohan, Piccolo and Kami became one again, Goku's sacrifice was too perfect and fit to be the end of the series.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Insertclevername » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:02 pm

DonZ wrote:
ABED wrote:
DonZ wrote:Cell arc ending > Original Dragon Ball ending
Why so?
in the original ending, we didn't get to know what will happen to Piccolo, will he remain evil or become one of the Z fighter. in Cell arc everything was done. Gohan achieved his potential power (SSJ2) Goku passing his legacy to Gohan, Piccolo and Kami became one again, Goku's sacrifice was too perfect and fit to be the end of the series.
I felt the Cell arc gave nice closure while the 23rd TB left things more open and free spirited.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Zephyr » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:06 pm

CaBrPi wrote:
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Hades wrote:People who died should have stayed dead after being revived once (as in if you die the second time, netiher Porunga nor Shenron can revive you), since it would have made character deaths have more value.
I agree with that to an extent. I mean, what point did Chaozu's revival even have? After his second death, he literally did nothing. His sacrifice against Nappa was the last thing he ever did.
Chaozu never really did anything, though... :P
He actually was involved in things before his second death though. After that he was literally away from the battlefield every time the way Oolong, Puar, and Roshi had been before him.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:57 pm

I still prefer DB's ending, Goku's alive and happy, he's achieved his goal of winning, defeated the enemy, and now had a bride. The story felt complete. Where Piccolo went was not that important, Goku won, and the implication was clear, Goku was always gonna be there to defeat him. When I read the story, the idea of Piccolo and Kami becoming one never felt like a plot thread that needed tying up.

I know a lot of people love the idea of Goku passing the torch to his son, but Gohan as the hero isn't that interesting to me, and it's more of a position that's thrusted upon him than something he chose. I thought it was implied, if not explicitly stated that Gohan wanted to be a scholar when it was all over. Vegeta's story still feels incomplete at the end of the Cell arc. I know he said he'd never fight now that Kakarotto was dead, but that doesn't feel like a resolution to me.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by KingofWisdom » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:00 pm

Cell is my least favorite main villain of DBZ. I find him uninteresting, aside from his concept.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:03 pm

I agree with Hades about characters dying and staying dead the second time. At least when Goku came back the second time, Old Kaioshin had to give him his life.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:07 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:Cell is my least favorite main villain of DBZ. I find him uninteresting, aside from his concept.
Yeah, his concept is the reason why i like him. the way he upgrade to perfect body by sucking #17 & #18 was amazing. and i like his design too, it's full of details. Toriyama did a good job with it!
as for personality, i like Freeza and Majin Boo the best.

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Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:51 pm

I like that first form Cell would sneak attack and retreat instead of the type of villain who says, "No, I'm the strongest..." despite evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:02 pm

I think Cell is really different and unique than the other villains of DBZ, how he started weak and got stronger and stronger, and the fact that he have to suck the androids to achieve it -which are the opponents of the arc- just made it better. and that's why i like Android arc more than Cell arc, as Cell arc i mean when he start his "Cell Games"

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rickysha » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:20 pm

It kind of irks me that Goku stopped donning the Turtle School symbol.

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Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:39 pm

rickysha wrote:It kind of irks me that Goku stopped donning the Turtle School symbol.
I wish he did as well, but I imagine not having the Turtle symbol was easier to draw his gi.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Insertclevername » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:42 pm

I always viewed it as him trying to establish himself as a more independent fighter. No longer just a student but an established warrior. Or something like that. At least he still dons the basic outfit and colors.
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Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:51 pm

Insertclevername wrote:I always viewed it as him trying to establish himself as a more independent fighter. No longer just a student but an established warrior. Or something like that. At least he still dons the basic outfit and colors.
I read that and I buy it as the in universe explanation. Though I do imagine that there is something to it being easier to not have to draw the symbols. It's the reason Timm didn't have the Superman symbol on Superman's cape, it's a pain in the ass to animated that especially as it flaps in the wind.
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