Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Marco Polo]

So he really did leave Fat Buu inside? Couldn't Kid Buu just reabsorb him (Fat Buu)?

You do realize that's exactly what happened in the manga right? Goku and Vegeta left Fat Buu in there. Fat Buu only came out later.

Oops, I had forgotten that. All the Buu transformations/variations/etc. always confused me.

[dario03]

Ok. Where is that tier list?

It's here.

> Tiers and PLs in DBM.
Spoiler informations with tiers. There are big tiers, as someone can trash another in it.
There tiers may evolve in DBM and some surprises appear But as I think a transformation is a powerlevel, less than a base multiplyer (eg Goku SSJ1 cant beat Vegeta SSJ2. Vegeta SSJ2 can't beat Goku SSJ3), one transformation basically mean a power level. Fusions are exceptions.

SSJ2 Tier: Goku SSJ2, Vegeta SSJ2, Vegeta M SSJ2, Young Gohan SSJ2, Perfect Cell (DBZ)
SSJ3 Tier: Goku SSJ3 (DBZ), Kid Buu, Super Buu, Base DBZ Vegetto, Young Gotenks SSJ3 (DBZ)
In-between: Mystic Gohan, base Vegetto, Son Bra SSJ1(?)
SSJ"4" Tier: Buu-Gotenks, Buu-Gohan
SSJ"5" Tier: SSJ1 Vegetto, SSJ2 Son Bra
SSJ"6" Tier: SSJ2 Vegetto, Broly at the end of his fight, Buu U4
SSJ"38" Tier: me

Does that mean Vegetto SSJ3 can beat Buu U4? Not clearly. SSJ3 takes all of Vegetto's energy very fast, and Buu still is the most difficult thing to kill in the universe. And if Buu isn't killed, he isn't beaten.

Cool, had been wondering where everybody was getting that list from.

Why would you state a opinion and then say we shouldn't talk about it

Because it's been done to death.

I know it has. I just found it odd that you would state something and then say we shouldn't talk about it. Why post it at all? But now I at least know that in DBM Kid Buu isn't considered stronger than Gohan Buu so its even less likely that any Buu in this special will be a threat. Unless they just get really crazy and have him transform into a BuffBuuHanTenks

[Hellspawn28]

This whole special feels like another rehash of the manga. I'm going to bet that Vegito kills Kid Buu before he blows up the Earth and the special will be over. This whole special is pointless.

[Son Edo]

This whole special feels like another rehash of the manga. I'm going to bet that Vegito kills Kid Buu before he blows up the Earth and the special will be over. This whole special is pointless.

All the specials are pointless to you.

[RandomGuy96]

All the specials are pointless

FTFY

[KentalSSJ6]

And that stands for?

[RandomGuy96]

And that stands for?

"Fixed that for you".

[Salagir2]

Hi! I have more than 20 new topic pages to read so I may forget a few messages ;p Let me answer what I saw in order.

They are trying to tell the main story in the fewest number of pages possible. I'm sure that if they were getting paid to do this and if they had all the time of the world, there would be plenty of detailed pages with Universe 18's reactions and actions and every other thing, as well as page long shots of fights and characters.

Yes, exactly.

U18 has become the new humans of DBZ.

It is in fact a point Son Bra will be making against Vegeta and Goku in Baddack's vision, when they say they could beat Vegetto.

Salagir, this seems to be the pact! xD

I'm still waiting for Bra to lose her shirt. Come on, Salagir! Write it in, even if it's for just one panel!
And the pact still stands! If Bra appears topless in DBM we all change our avatars to the relevant panel(s) for one month.

Lol
We'll see

(salagir) isn't credited as the writer of the novel version.

But I read it and correct it. Some part are also directly written by me. The novel is DBM canon, apart from very very few exceptions.
When I write too much story to be in the comic, I put it in the novel.

They aren't telling Goten and Trunks to fuse though?

They are in a bubble and each second count. It's not the best condition to dance.

Buu can teleport anywhere in the universe, has knowledge of the planets, and can turn anything into anything. I doubt he's getting bored any time soon; if worst comes to worst he can just use multiform to fight himself.

Yes, Buu U4 is having a load of fun at home. He got almost infinite power, and can play many games : benevolent god on a planet, asshole god on another. He can create supernovas for fun and paint, create music, draw webcomics.
For this Buu, fighting is just one hobby among others. He is interested in everything, and in every skill, he is at least as good as the best in the universe (who he found and absorbed).

Buu didn't say "oh, now that you aren't Vegetto anymore, size is relevant again so you can't hurt me".
He never mentioned Vegetto or power. He just mentioned size.

Why would Boo mention Vegetto? Goku didn't understand what's going on, so Boo explained it to him.

Vegetto is now much much smaller than a jawbreaker

Wait, weren't the absorbed victims supposed to be in his head?

Yes. It's an error. I'm sorry about that.

This whole special feels like another rehash of the manga.

It's exactly what I intended to do.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So Salagir, how much stronger have SS3 Goku & SS2 Vegeta gotten since Boo arc in DBM? Are they stronger than Ultimate Gohan?

[Storm101]

Rephrase that question to just Goku and Vegeta in general. But I'm sure there's a reason he's been dodging that question. =P

[TonyTheTiger]

Salagir, this seems to be the pact! xD

I'm still waiting for Bra to lose her shirt. Come on, Salagir! Write it in, even if it's for just one panel!
And the pact still stands! If Bra appears topless in DBM we all change our avatars to the relevant panel(s) for one month.

Lol
We'll see

See, this is why I like you, Salagir.

[miguelnuva1]

Salagir, this seems to be the pact! xD

I'm still waiting for Bra to lose her shirt. Come on, Salagir! Write it in, even if it's for just one panel!
And the pact still stands! If Bra appears topless in DBM we all change our avatars to the relevant panel(s) for one month.

Lol
We'll see

See, this is why I like you, Salagir. [/quote]

I will join the pact.

[Fionordequester]

Well, I know everyone has different views on that sort of thing. But could you please insert some sort of annotation or something saying "warning, topless bra on next page" if you go ahead and do that?

[TonyTheTiger]

You mean like Toriyama did in Dragon Ball?

In all seriousness, about the pact thing, I originally put it out there as a joke but then people started jumping on board and I was like "Hey, let's run with this!" Sure it's silly but that's kinda the point. And silliness was pretty much the point of all DB nudity, particularly the surprise of some of it. Lord knows Yamcha didn't get a warning and it was a riot. Same with Roshi and Bulma on more than one occasion. And each time the audience is left shooting milk out of their nose from all the lulz. A warning would crush the joke. It's not even really about the nudity itself. It's about the lol potential as well as the "fanservice" of having THE PACT actually fulfilled. I think if Salagir puts himself in that classic Toriyama mindset he can come up with a scenario that makes it work, particularly since with so many characters around the options are endless. And there's just something about U16 Bra, probably that she's such a serious, no-nonsense "straight man," that would make it all the funnier. It's the risqué version of watching Moe Howard take a pie to the face.

[TobyS]

Despite all the haters I enjoy DB multiverse.

I agree that it's annoying that it's marketed as a continuation of the original manga and he has changed some canon elements, but I think that's more 'how it turned out in the end' than malicious false advertising on Saligars part.

What has he really changed? Lets break it down?

1. Multipliers/tiers
Oozarus is 10x BP
SS1 is 50x BP
ss2 is "twice as strong as ssj1"
ss3 is "4 times as strong as super ss1" (?)

He has ignored this and used a flawed "tier" system. If transformations are multipliers it shouldn't work like this. If kid Goku from chapter one somehow went SSJ3 he wouldn't be stronger than EoZ Goku in SSJ1.

2.Gohan/Goku/Vegeta
Gohan's power was bought beyond his limits.
Gohan's potential is greater than Goku's (as is any half saiyans)
Goku and Vegeta are implied to be close together in power and "able to beat Gohan somehow" despite the contradictory "Gohan hasn't got weaker"
Bra getting sue powers just by being Veggetto's kid. Gohan has potential to be strong but he had to work at it/use magic, he didn't get it auto like Bra, which goes against the Shonen spirit of dragonball and other mangas IMO. Her power relative to Gohan and other fighters at her age just seems wrong generally, (implied to be above an adult SSJ3 Fusion Gotenks? Yuck!)

3. U18 Entrants/Spectators
Humans (inc Bulma) Buu and Mark not entering or even at least watching this amazing once in a multiverse lifetime tourny!!!

4.Bulma or Chi Chi?
Getto choosing Bulma over chi chi seems wrong to me Goku should be put off by his platonic relationship with Bulma while Vegeta should be at least attracted to chichi.

5. OP Old saiyans
A) Unrealistically powerful Hanasia, Goku is supposed to come from a line of third class trash, Bardock was only just beginning to abuse zenkais and becoming relevant, him being born of two people more powerful than the kind already doesn't fit with the narrative of the saiyan arc. She also beat a weaker than he should be dodoria.

B) Nappas PL being 8000 instead of around 4000 (not a big deal, he prolly isn't going to be relevant anyway)

6. Underpowered Piccolo
Piccolo hasn't improved enough over the years for my liking.

7. The future Gohan Babidi stuff..... yeah....Major PIS by all characters.

8. Cold being able to transform and being so OP (16 tier?) Trunks told him to go all out. He knew Trunks was a SSJ like Goku and was warned he wasn't soft like him. He knows a SSJ1 beat his son who is stronger than himself. Weapon or not it would make no sense for him not to use to time Freeza was getting splattered to transform at least once. He never mentions having to transform or being able to when they are stratergising to double team Goku while on the ship.

But all these things are his right to change if he wants to, as long as he says U18 isn't our universe either though..

I like the art and the regularity the only things I don't like otherwise is the way it is not read right to left and is released in stammering pages instead of chapters at a time.

Other than that I think that this is the best ongoing fan comic atm, better than silly crazy power/transform inflated AF stuff. And unlike many people I'm grateful for it,

Thanks Sal!

[KentalSSJ6]

In the case of Bra from Vegito's universe, I think shes actually born from Vegito and Bulma, not Vegeta and Bulma. I mean Goten has more potential than Gohan, able to surpass him with training and going SSJ at half the age Gohan was because when Goten was conceived, Goku was a lot stronger than when Gohan was.

Knowing this, the child of Vegito is no doubt going to be a powerhouse unlike any other Saiyan and this Bra is one who actually enjoys training and when your sparring partners are Mystic Gohan and Vegito, U16 Bra is gonna get places.

[TheMightyOzaru]

1. Multipliers/tiers
Oozarus is 10x BP
SS1 is 50x BP
ss2 is "twice as strong as ssj1"
ss3 is "4 times as strong as super ssj2"

There, fixed that for ya.

[dbzfan7]

U18 has become the new humans of DBZ.

It is in fact a point Son Bra will be making against Vegeta and Goku in Baddack's vision, when they say they could beat Vegetto.

Can't wait for the response to that from Vegeta.

(salagir) isn't credited as the writer of the novel version.

But I read it and correct it. Some part are also directly written by me. The novel is DBM canon, apart from very very few exceptions.
When I write too much story to be in the comic, I put it in the novel.

Then why are you dodging the Gohan/Goku question (The novel clarifies its stance)? If you consider the novel canon just state you have Goku above Gohan just like in the novel and leave it at that.

[TonyTheTiger]

Does that answer really matter? It just seems like the kind of detail that, truthfully, doesn't accomplish anything other than pissing people off regardless of the answer. The thing about Dragon Ball, particularly the end part of Dragon Ball, is that the more you tease out detail the less sense the whole shebang starts to make. Things about power level comparisons, how fusion works, why Kid Buu even exists at all are the kinds of things that bring down the house of cards that Toriyama and Toei built on some very shaky suspension of disbelief. Honestly, the fewer specifics about U18 the better. Every time there has been further elaborations we wind up with weird fridge logic like King Cold's potential power. Which I don't completely blame on Salagir, either. Dragon Ball just isn't designed to hold up to such scrutiny and detail.

Seems like the best course of action is "they're very strong" with only the vaguest and most obvious of "X is stronger than Y" points to be made. For instance, I wouldn't be so put off by King Cold's power if they didn't name drop #16 and just let him demonstrate that he was stronger than U9 Videl.

[dbzfan7]

Does that answer really matter? It just seems like the kind of detail that, truthfully, doesn't accomplish anything other than pissing people off regardless of the answer. The thing about Dragon Ball, particularly the end part of Dragon Ball, is that the more you tease out detail the less sense the whole shebang starts to make. Things about power level comparisons, how fusion works, why Kid Buu even exists at all are the kinds of things that bring down the house of cards that Toriyama and Toei built on some very shaky suspension of disbelief. Honestly, the fewer specifics about U18 the better. Every time there has been further elaborations we wind up with weird fridge logic like King Cold's potential power. Which I don't completely blame on Salagir, either. Dragon Ball just isn't designed to hold up to such scrutiny and detail.

Seems like the best course of action is "they're very strong" with only the vaguest and most obvious of "X is stronger than Y" points to be made. For instance, I wouldn't be so put off by King Cold's power if they didn't name drop #16 and just let him demonstrate that he was stronger than U9 Videl.

If it doesn't really matter then just post the answer and be done with it. I really don't care which side he goes with as it's a fan comic.