Is Goku a Bad Father?

[ABED]

Goku's job as a father was basically done by the Namek arc, Gohan can take care of himself. Gohan learned from Piccolo during that year, but you can't hold that against Goku, he was dead. Remember, he died trying to get his son back.

And Goku could ask about his family but there's no guarentee that Kaio would agree to it.

[dbzfan7]

Goku is probably distant as he was left alone at a young age when Grampa Gohan died, so he probably thinks it shouldn't be a big deal for anyone else.

[goku the krump dancer]

Yea I think people tend to forget that Goku didn't have the most normal upbringing.

[RandomGuy96]

First, it's confirmed he never even visited or talked to his family in the entire seven year jump, he just abandoned them flat out, meaning his son grew up without him and his other son never even met him until the tournament.

I agree with you on a lot, but not this. He was dead. It's not like the dead are allowed to just chitchat and visit the living all the time.

What dbzfan said. But mostly this falls under the general umbrella of abandoning his family for the most bullshit-y reason ever, I was just trying to emphasize it more. When he has to choose between his family and getting stronger, he'll abandon his family 10 out of 10 times.

Gohan should've asked Shenron to use the wish to let Gohan spend a day in the Afterlife so he could beat the shit out of his dad after hearing that.

[ABED]

He didn't abandon them after Namek, he just didn't return for a year. A year is a relatively short amount of time and he was learning a technique that he would need.

Going after his passion in life is hardly the most bullshitty reason ever, and it's not like he left them when they needed him.

He didn't know Goten was born, nor did he abandon them simply to get stronger. He felt he was a danger magnet.

[dbzfan7]

First, it's confirmed he never even visited or talked to his family in the entire seven year jump, he just abandoned them flat out, meaning his son grew up without him and his other son never even met him until the tournament.

I agree with you on a lot, but not this. He was dead. It's not like the dead are allowed to just chitchat and visit the living all the time.

What dbzfan said. But mostly this falls under the general umbrella of abandoning his family for the most bullshit-y reason ever, I was just trying to emphasize it more. When he has to choose between his family and getting stronger, he'll abandon his family 10 out of 10 times.

Gohan should've asked Shenron to use the wish to let Gohan spend a day in the Afterlife so he could beat the shit out of his dad after hearing that.

I bet Goku didn't show up to Gohan's graduation (unless there was lots of food).

I now wanna see Kid Gohan asking Shenlong to see Goku, then going SSJ2 and kicking his ass.

[RandomGuy96]

He didn't abandon them after Namek, he just didn't return for a year. A year is a relatively short amount of time and he was learning a technique that he would need.

Going after his passion in life is hardly the most bullshitty reason ever, and it's not like he left them when they needed him.

He didn't know Goten was born, nor did he abandon them simply to get stronger. He felt he was a danger magnet.

About two years. And that's a very long time to just be away from your family, just so you could get more effective ways of fighting.

Yes, abandoning your family because it's more fun in the Afterlife, missing your sons growing up, is complete bullshit. And I'm sure that Goten and Gohan were completely fine with not having a father.

And that reasoning is bullshit. Goku being there wouldn't have changed whether or not any of the bad guys attacked Earth.

Raditz? Earth was on Freeza's lists of planets to conquer. And even if Goku was dead, Raditz would still show up, as he was just checking to see what happened to Goku. If Goku had never been sent, Raditz would still show up to find whatever baby they sent.

Nappa and Vegeta? They were there for the Dragon Balls, and thought that Goku was dead in the first place.

King Cold and Freeza? Again, Earth was on the list of planets they wanted anyway, and, not only did they think Goku was alive (so him being dead would again change nothing), but I highly doubt Freeza wouldn't have come anyway to kill Vegeta. So, again, Goku not being there would change nothing.

Androids? They were simply batteries for Gero's ACTUAL creation, Cell. And Cell's objective wasn't to kill Goku. It's kind of cryptic, but it was something about destroying the universe. And, since Gero was an evil scientist and former head of science for an organization that wanted to take over the world, do you really think he would've not built the androids had Goku died? The answer is no. Why? Because we know that in the timeline where Goku died, he still built the androids anyway, and they still killed everyone. So, again, Goku being alive or dead changed nothing.

Majin Buu? Him and any threat that came after Cell (i.e. the films) had nothing to do with Goku.

So Goku's reasoning was bullshit, he was just being a selfish deadbeat prick as usual.

[mAcChaos]

Androids? They were simply batteries for Gero's ACTUAL creation, Cell. And Cell's objective wasn't to kill Goku. It's kind of cryptic, but it was something about destroying the universe.

Cell said he wanted to savor the looks of terror on the people before he killed them. Basically he got addicted to the rush from hunting them down in his Imperfect form I guess. That and fight the best fighters.

[dbzfan7]

He didn't abandon them after Namek, he just didn't return for a year. A year is a relatively short amount of time and he was learning a technique that he would need.

Going after his passion in life is hardly the most bullshitty reason ever, and it's not like he left them when they needed him.

He didn't know Goten was born, nor did he abandon them simply to get stronger. He felt he was a danger magnet.

About two years. And that's a very long time to just be away from your family, just so you could get more effective ways of fighting.

Yes, abandoning your family because it's more fun in the Afterlife, missing your sons growing up, is complete bullshit. And I'm sure that Goten and Gohan were completely fine with not having a father.

And that reasoning is bullshit. Goku being there wouldn't have changed whether or not any of the bad guys attacked Earth.

Raditz? Earth was on Freeza's lists of planets to conquer. And even if Goku was dead, Raditz would still show up, as he was just checking to see what happened to Goku. If Goku had never been sent, Raditz would still show up to find whatever baby they sent.

Nappa and Vegeta? They were there for the Dragon Balls, and thought that Goku was dead in the first place.

King Cold and Freeza? Again, Earth was on the list of planets they wanted anyway, and, not only did they think Goku was alive (so him being dead would again change nothing), but I highly doubt Freeza wouldn't have come anyway to kill Vegeta. So, again, Goku not being there would change nothing.

Androids? They were simply batteries for Gero's ACTUAL creation, Cell. And Cell's objective wasn't to kill Goku. It's kind of cryptic, but it was something about destroying the universe. And, since Gero was an evil scientist and former head of science for an organization that wanted to take over the world, do you really think he would've not built the androids had Goku died? The answer is no. Why? Because we know that in the timeline where Goku died, he still built the androids anyway, and they still killed everyone. So, again, Goku being alive or dead changed nothing.

Majin Buu? Him and any threat that came after Cell (i.e. the films) had nothing to do with Goku.

So Goku's reasoning was bullshit, he was just being a selfish deadbeat prick as usual.

Pretty much this. Goku's reasoning was such bullshit.

[Rocketman]

What dbzfan said. But mostly this falls under the general umbrella of abandoning his family for the most bullshit-y reason ever, I was just trying to emphasize it more. When he has to choose between his family and getting stronger, he'll abandon his family 10 out of 10 times.

Being dead isn't really a bullshit reason.

Even if he wanted to come back, the Dragonballs couldn't revive him.

[mAcChaos]

I thought Goku's reason was half-legit and half-trying to give Gohan some peace of mind. Like, "Hey don't worry about getting me killed, I want to be dead anyway!"

[dbzfan7]

What dbzfan said. But mostly this falls under the general umbrella of abandoning his family for the most bullshit-y reason ever, I was just trying to emphasize it more. When he has to choose between his family and getting stronger, he'll abandon his family 10 out of 10 times.

Being dead isn't really a bullshit reason.

Even if he wanted to come back, the Dragonballs couldn't revive him.

The Namek balls could.

[Rocketman]

The Namek balls could.

Which they can't get to.

[ABED]

I believe it's between one and two, but even so, it's not just a way to fight, teleporting comes in VERY useful.

Goku being there wouldn't have changed whether or not any of the bad guys attacked Earth.

He seems to find and attract trouble. I'm not going to go bit by bit but I consider your logic flawed, though I will say Gero wanted revenge. Is Goku wrong about being a danger magnet? Probably, but the point is that he thought so, and at worst that makes him naive, not that horrible person you make him out to be. He's a hick not a logician, it made sense to him, his son and his friends. Though, maybe you're right, I just don't think you used "bullshit" enough to convince me.

Yes, Gohan did miss his father, but he grew up well adjusted.

And abandon means leaving, Yardrat doesn't count. He landed there on accident trying to leave Namek. Wouldn't you want to learn to teleport? Considering the kinds of problems Goku faces, teleportation comes in real handy. Pretty much everyone on Earth would've been destroyed had Goku not learned how to teleport.

[dbzfan7]

The Namek balls could.

Which they can't get to.

They could have wished themselves there with the last wish or have Kaio tell the Nameks to do it.

[RandomGuy96]

He seems to find and attract trouble. I'm not going to go bit by bit but I consider your logic flawed, though I will say Gero wanted revenge. Is Goku wrong about being a danger magnet? Probably, but the point is that he thought so, and at worst that makes him naive, not that horrible person you make him out to be. He's a hick not a logician, it made sense to him, his son and his friends. Though, maybe you're right, I just don't think you used "bullshit" enough to convince me.

Yes, Gohan did miss his father, but he grew up well adjusted.

And abandon means leaving, Yardrat doesn't count. He landed there on accident trying to leave Namek. Wouldn't you want to learn to teleport? Considering the kinds of problems Goku faces, teleportation comes in real handy. Pretty much everyone on Earth would've been destroyed had Goku not learned how to teleport.

Naivety can cross over with disgusting selfishness. And I'm equally disappointed with Gohan in that scene for not calling out his old man on how flawed that logic is, and how completely wrong he is. I know Goku's dumb, but he can't lack the brain functions to simply remember the things he heard from the villains who gloated about their motivation for being there. When Raditz explicitly told him. When Vegeta did. When Future Trunks told Goku about the androids. When Cell did (Goku was watching from King Kai's planet). He knows that his death would've done nothing to prevent these guys from coming. If it was impossible to rez him, that would be one thing, but like dbzfan said they had several ways of reviving him.

So then it's alright to abandon his family like a deadbeat, as long as his son doesn't grow up to be a serial killer or something. Okay.

I'll concede this one. I'd probably do the same thing, because I LOVE teleportation. But I highly doubt he needed to be there that long to learn it.

[ABED]

Cell wouldn't have been there at all had Goku not been there. The Cyborgs were created as a way to defeat Goku and Cell's cells came from people like Goku and Freeza. Had Goku not been there, obviously his cells wouldn't have been taken, nor would Freeza's. I don't think Gero's research would've gone as far had he not had the data he did on beings like Freeza, nor do I think he would've been as highly motivated if his objective wasn't vengeance.

I didn't say it was alright but he didn't leave them helpless. They could take care of themselves. I agree that a good parent would've stayed until they were both at least arguably 17 but Gohan and Goten could fend for themselves, they were happy and healthy. He didn't leave behind two ill children who needed his help.

But I highly doubt he needed to be there that long to learn it.

He did say he was only there long enough to learn one technique.

[RandomGuy96]

Cell wouldn't have been there at all had Goku not been there. The Cyborgs were created as a way to defeat Goku and Cell's cells came from people like Goku and Freeza. Had Goku not been there, obviously his cells wouldn't have been taken, nor would Freeza's. I don't think Gero's research would've gone as far had he not had the data he did on beings like Freeza, nor do I think he would've been as highly motivated if his objective wasn't vengeance.

All of that's moot, since Goku's 'point' was that, if he were dead, no trouble would come to Earth. That's wrong, since even after he died, Gero created and released the androids and Cell.

[ABED]

You're too wrapped up in the concretes, trouble does seem to find him. Regardless of what the evil's goal is, it seems to Goku that big bad world destroying evil is there and will try and kill him and his loved ones. I vaguely recall Bulma bringing up this point, though I admit that could've been filler or I could be wrong. Perhaps I'm mixing it up with another show or GT.

That's wrong, since even after he died, Gero created and released the androids and Cell.

Did Gero know that? Your assertion that the Cyborgs were just batteries is wrong. That's a reason why they were built but 16 - 20 were all explicitly trying to kill Goku. Only 17 and 18 were batteries.

[goku the krump dancer]

Goku has been a villain magnet ever since he destroyed the Red Ribbon Army.

Shen wanted him dead for killing Tao.

Tambourine and King Piccolo would have found him anyway regardless if Krillin was murdered or not because their plan was to kill ALL Martial Artist.

Piccolo Jr was avenging himself?/his father how ever that works.

Raditz is Goku's evil older brother.

Nappa and Vegeta were Goku's Brother's comrades.

Goku and his friends as well as Freeza and his henchmen had a common goal on Namek.. Get the Dragon Balls.

The whole android fiasco was because a former Red Ribbon Army member was trying to exact revenge on Goku.

And lastly the Supreme Kai himself came personally looking for Goku in order to help him stop Babidi.